Boxrec make JMM No1 Lightweight. Who agrees?

[Fenster]

Bilbo, what does Pac beating Marquez (which he didn't ) at 130 have to do with Marquez beating THE MAN Joel Casamayor at 135?

I think Marquez beat Pac twice. I rate Marquez a BETTER fighter than Pac. But i respect the offical decision, so Pac has the victory.

For Pac to be no.1 at lightweight he should have fought, and beat, Casa not Diaz. Simple as

Ah come on man you're making me bang my head against a wall now!

I AGREE with you, Marquez is the CHAMPION according the title lineage and the RING magazine. I've AGREED all along.

BUT on a straight ranking system of who has done the most and who has beaten who, Manny is number 1 becuase he is the best p4p fighter on the planet. He beat Marquez last time. Campbell is higher becuase he beat Juan Diaz who held 3 world titel belts and was clearly the worlds best lightweight.

I'm not claiming that my rankings should be the Ring magazines rankings they should not, I'm just claiming that they are the most accurate.

Is it really that hard to understand? All I'm saying is that Manny Pacquaio is the best fighter in the lightweight division courtesy of being considered the best fighter in the world, and Campbell is second courtesy of beating who EVERYBODY considered to be the best lightweight in the world in Juan Diaz.

Marquez beat Casamayor who had been stripped of his belt for inactivity and who got schooled completely and utterly by Santa Cruz and who almost lost to the mediocre Katsidis. He was a shell of his former self.


So again, my rankings are not meant to be official, they are not meant to replace the Ring magazines hallowed ratings they just reflect in my little opinion the most accurate state of affairs in the lightweight division.

PLease stop going on about the champ beating the champ because I've agreed with you regarding this since my fisrt post in this thread.

Officialy Marquez is THE MAN for beating the man. I'm just saying, and have said all along, that this isn't the most accurate ranking and that Pacquaio and Campbell should rate higher, if only in my purely fictictious and hypothetical ranking system.

Thankyou

My first post was -

Forget the silly alphabet belts - you're (bilbo) picking the champ on your interpretation of formlines. That just complicates things further. How about Casamayor already having a victory over Campbell?

Marquez is the MAN because Casa was the man. Campbells three alpahbets mean fuck all. Fact.

I understand what you're saying. Instead of qualifying the worth of Campbell and Diaz by their "three world title belts" just say you believe they were showing the far more impressive form compared with Casa.

The belts are the problem. And if you trace back, i'm pretty sure you'll find the lineal champ had been stripped of all at some point, hence why three ended up with Juan Diaz, even though he never faced the lineal champ and one ended up with David Diaz.

Casa was stripped by the WBC for choosing to pursue a far more lucrative fight with Acileno Frietas over David Diaz. That is nonsense. Makes Diaz as WBC champion nonsense, so inturn makes Pac as WBC champion nonsense - even though Pac is worthy of being a top lightweight and is clearly P4P no.2 (according to Fenster's rankings)

[Galaxy]

Exactly Fenster!

I understand where Bilbo is coming from but thats what P4P rankings are for. Divisional ratings are different because there is a champion at the top & I can't see how anyone can rate somebody above the champ!

As I've said through out this thread the champion is not always the best fighter in the division but they deserve the respect as champion. P4P is for ranking on order of form & accomplishments. You can't become champ without beating the champ.

As Fenster & I have stated before all those paper titles that Nate holds were either stripped or given up dating back to Castillo!