American Heavyweights running scared of David Haye

[sonny78]

This is getting daft

Haye is a big draw and apart from a tittle shot has to be one of the biggest pay-days out there for fringe contenders not to mention more TV coverage than most could hope for.

This is a dream scenario for any promoter How the fuck can you not have signed a top 10 HW and have a solid backup in 10 f**king months

Bring back Maloney

[smashup]

Should have stayed with him agreed

[sonny78]

Do you think if Maloney was to promote Haye

He would pull the old union jack suit out

he would have to update it with the Turkish republic of Cyprus flag or whatever Haye wears on this shorts now

[smashup]

hahaha class whistle that
I think people should get off Hayes back a bit really and judge him after he's actually fought
Already the hate brigade has come out the woodwork (Prob still bitter that we had the best Heavyweight of recent times in Lennox or maybe the thread title upsets them) and can't wait for Haye to fall at the fist hurdle....
I can see it now..."told ya so etc"
Let's let him fight a few eh people then we can judge him

[ross]

hahaha class whistle that
I think people should get off Hayes back a bit really and judge him after he's actually fought

The reason everyone is pissed off is because he is so transparent, bullshitting about how all these fighters are scared of him and trying to get a straight shot at Klitschko because he thinks he can blitz him like Sanders did but he dont want to risk his chin against any other worthwhile heavys.

Getting a straight shot aint so bad but its all the other bullshit, you can see straight through him that hes the one4 whos scared to face any decent heavys in case he falls flat.

Like someone has already said, hes had since the Macaranelli fight to sort an opponent but he didnt want to give any decent fighters that much notice to get ready and now hes doing it the cheap way by trying to get them on relatively short notice, he will end up with Sprott or Skelton, maybe even Williams, which in it self wouldnt be a bad start at heavy but not when youve gobbed off about a top contender from the top 10, that just aint gonna happen and thats where the annoyance comes from.

[smashup]

The facts are that Setanta demanded a top ten Heavy to satisfy the viewers and as part of the 6 fight deal
I don't think Haye's transparent at all and don't forget he went to Mormecks back yard and battered him which is something special imo.
I don't think you can really blame him for this circus but he's hoodwinked you into talking about him and that is exactly the way he operates.
He knows exactly how to play the media and is doing a fine job of drumming up interest.
We haven't chatted about the Heavyweights in any real depth since Lennox was king simply because no-one gave a f*ck about a sh*t division.
Haye has brought it back to life without throwing a punch.
I think Mr Booth has bitten off more than he can chew and his inexperience is showing.
Should have maybe kept Maloney as an advisor while finding his feet but these descisions are made and shared with Goldenboy promotions too (They bankroll Haye ultimately) so some of the blame must lie with them too.

[ross]

We arent talking about the heavy weight division though, we arent even talking about a ranked heavyweight fighter.

Over the past week, look at all the comments about Haye and they are basicly all pissed off with him or laughing at him, hes lost a lot of credibility with opening his mouth yet again, if hed have kept quiet no one would be berating him.

[Wayne]

The facts are that Setanta demanded a top ten Heavy to satisfy the viewers and as part of the 6 fight deal
I don't think Haye's transparent at all and don't forget he went to Mormecks back yard and battered him which is something special imo.
I don't think you can really blame him for this circus but he's hoodwinked you into talking about him and that is exactly the way he operates.
He knows exactly how to play the media and is doing a fine job of drumming up interest.
We haven't chatted about the Heavyweights in any real depth since Lennox was king simply because no-one gave a f*ck about a sh*t division.
Haye has brought it back to life without throwing a punch.
I think Mr Booth has bitten off more than he can chew and his inexperience is showing.
Should have maybe kept Maloney as an advisor while finding his feet but these descisions are made and shared with Goldenboy promotions too (They bankroll Haye ultimately) so some of the blame must lie with them too.

So it's us and not Haye who's announced twice that he's had an opponent all but lined up and then bubkis? What exactly is it we should be 'backing off' about? We're all waiting for him to announce his top 10 opponent and he's the one who seemingly can't make it materialize. We've only been holding Haye to the standard he has set. He wants to fight Klitschko- don't you think he should take on a credible foe to prove he's ready as opposed to just leapfrogging every guy who was in line first? If you want to call annoying people energizing the division then my wife must have been 'energizing' me this morning to take out the garbage. And the HW division isn't as shitty as you're making it out to be. Sure, it's nowhere near its glory days, but still a lot deeper than the Cruisers where Haye made his bones and don't toot your horn over Haye beating Mormeck in France. Big deal- notice Mormeck just retired at 36 years of age. It's because even he knows he's garbage. They had to cheat like hell to hand him the win over O'Neill Bell (sweltering hot arena, premature bell ringing, etc.).

[Deanrw]

hahaha class whistle that
I think people should get off Hayes back a bit really and judge him after he's actually fought
Already the hate brigade has come out the woodwork (Prob still bitter that we had the best Heavyweight of recent times in Lennox or maybe the thread title upsets them) and can't wait for Haye to fall at the fist hurdle....
I can see it now..."told ya so etc"
Let's let him fight a few eh people then we can judge him

It's not a hate brigade. It is just that many are getting tired of the hype brigade. If you talk the talk, you damn well better be prepared to walk it also. Haye is busy trying to mislead and take shortcuts. He really needs to step up, offer a true contender (like he promised) a fight all the while offering them a payday that they are used to and expect. it is not rocket science.

If he is so up on himself he should have no problem putting money on the table.

[luvfightgame]

hahaha class whistle that
I think people should get off Hayes back a bit really and judge him after he's actually fought
Already the hate brigade has come out the woodwork (Prob still bitter that we had the best Heavyweight of recent times in Lennox or maybe the thread title upsets them) and can't wait for Haye to fall at the fist hurdle....
I can see it now..."told ya so etc"
Let's let him fight a few eh people then we can judge him

He just needs to shut up and fight. I've only seen the guy fight once. I am not on his back, just tired of hearing about how all the heavyweights are scared of him. That's a joke and any real boxing fan knows it. Haye hasn't done anything for heavyweights to be afraid of yet. Hell the cruisers aren't all afraid of him. He's cheapened his own image with trash talk. It's ok to be loud, but at least make sense.

He's being judged on the only thing he's put up so far.......talk. That's his own problem for running his mouth, he's only offered one thing to be judged on.

[PRIDE OF BOSTON]

hahaha class whistle that
I think people should get off Hayes back a bit really and judge him after he's actually fought
Already the hate brigade has come out the woodwork (Prob still bitter that we had the best Heavyweight of recent times in Lennox or maybe the thread title upsets them) and can't wait for Haye to fall at the fist hurdle....
I can see it now..."told ya so etc"
Let's let him fight a few eh people then we can judge him

Geezus... Yeah cuz Americans don't know our Heavywieghts suck. Football and Basketball in the states ruined any HW crop that could have come up.

Why would we be bitter that you had the best HW of recent times? That statment is rediculous. Wow, yeah, I'm pissed I'm also pissed at the Ukraine for having Wlad. I bet that the UK is bitter we've dominated the MW div for so long You guys could care less as could we...

Sure the US would like some decent HW blood but we just don't have it... They're to busy making Millions per year catching a ball.

As for your statement that we're waiting to see Haye stumble... You're damn straight! It has nothing to do with being bitter but he's all mouth... I want Wlad! I'm gonna find him in a mall and talk shit... Wlad laughed at him. Now he's dropping fights with 3rd tier comp so he doesn't get KOd on his first outing cuz that would be......... unfortunate

I agree with him taking C or B level comp to begin with to test the waters but don't call yourself the best HW out there and look for C level guys... Shut your friggin mouth... Take a few gimmes at HW and when you crack the top 5 then open it.

I'd be the first "I told you so" you'd hear.

If he kept his mouth on lock he'd be fine... Promote the fight once it's signed, moron not before... You're not PBF who comanded the sport.

The hate brigade is one he set up... with his mouth.

I can't wait to see him get KOd by Jameel McCline or somebody... I'll laugh my ass off

[The Fightfan]

I disagree with the whole notion of no Heavyweight's because of the other sports . Take a look at some heavyweight's from the past Lennox,Foreman,Tyson, do these look like they could have played basketball against Shaq or hit a pitch from Nolan Ryan or tackle a quarterback. I can't see any of these fighter's because that's what they are fighter's no tremendous athlete's.Do see Tyson ever running downfield and making a miraculous catch. My thought's no. Point being I think TELEVISION has played a big role in youth not being interested in boxing and the lack of boxing gym's in the suburb's. Where most athlete's are coming from now.

[PRIDE OF BOSTON]

I disagree with the whole notion of no Heavyweight's because of the other sports . Take a look at some heavyweight's from the past Lennox,Foreman,Tyson, do these look like they could have played basketball against Shaq or hit a pitch from Nolan Ryan or tackle a quarterback. I can't see any of these fighter's because that's what they are fighter's no tremendous athlete's.Do see Tyson ever running downfield and making a miraculous catch. My thought's no. Point being I think TELEVISION has played a big role in youth not being interested in boxing and the lack of boxing gym's in the suburb's. Where most athlete's are coming from now.

I do agree with this but I think it's part of it. and yes I see Tyson playing Linebacker, absolutly... I see Tommy Morrison playing tight end... I see George Foreman playing Defensive Tackle... I see Riiddick Bowe playing for the Rockets... I see Michael Moorer going toe to toe for a homerun record with Bonds... I see Leon Spinks playing Linebacker...

You used horrible exsmples... Of course I don't see Tyson running downfield catching a pass for 65 yards... That's rediculous... I also don't see geoge foreman playing safty...

[ross]

Your right some of the good heavys wouldnt have the right body type to be successfull in all sports but I bet in basketball and NFL there are athletes who are different to the norm, its the same in all sports.

Mike Tyson is the prime example in boxing, normally if you saw a short bodybuilder, you wouldnt automaticly think "heres the guy to beat a whole divison up and become a great"
Some people excell because they have a burning desire, regardless of how they are built.

Also, if boxing were more popular, more people would participate and so would their friends and so on, the law of percentages would dictate that America having such a large population, they are bound to produce more talented fighters.

It should be brought back in to schools, boxing more than any other sport teaches discipline and respect, in a team sport where the burden doesnt soley rely on an individual, they can boast and brag about their team, whereas in boxing, you learn that disrespecting earns you an angry opponent in a sport where the aim is to hurt and render someone uncounscious.

[Wayne]

I disagree with the whole notion of no Heavyweight's because of the other sports . Take a look at some heavyweight's from the past Lennox,Foreman,Tyson, do these look like they could have played basketball against Shaq or hit a pitch from Nolan Ryan or tackle a quarterback. I can't see any of these fighter's because that's what they are fighter's no tremendous athlete's.Do see Tyson ever running downfield and making a miraculous catch. My thought's no. Point being I think TELEVISION has played a big role in youth not being interested in boxing and the lack of boxing gym's in the suburb's. Where most athlete's are coming from now.

You also have to consider playing football and basketball has gotten a lot more lucrative over the past 10-20 years. Back in Foreman or Tyson's day you could make a whole lot more fighting professionally than playing basketball or football.

The reward has outgrown the risk. Look at a lot of the guys who are retired from football. Replaced knees, totally ruined spines and all kinds of other medical issues and the player's association doesn't take care of them. Now these guys are getting multi-million dollar signing bonuses. In the first half of the 20th century a baseball player had to take a job selling insurance or something to make ends meet. Back then boxers made more simply for the fact there wasn't an off season. Now boxers' pay has more or less leveled off but baseball, basketball and football players' salaries have rocketed exponentially in comparison. You tell me: if you were equally capable in a sport where you might break a leg and in a sport where your face would routinely get turned into hamburger which would you choose. Oh, and add to that if you get injured you still collect a paycheck in the first one and get to rely on a bench to replace you when you're tired as opposed to having to contend the whole game where a guy is constantly trying to rip your head off.

As a side note I saw footage of Tyson playing basketball with some guys and man did he stand out like a sore thumb. Half a head shorter than the shortest person on the court and still the biggest guy out there. None of the guys checked up on him either, and it wasn't because he could have torn their heads off. Tyson shot the biggest of bricks and gave a sheepish grin after. Hell, Tyson might have been too bulky to play football.