American Heavyweights running scared of David Haye

[PRIDE OF BOSTON]

hahaha class whistle that
I think people should get off Hayes back a bit really and judge him after he's actually fought
Already the hate brigade has come out the woodwork (Prob still bitter that we had the best Heavyweight of recent times in Lennox or maybe the thread title upsets them) and can't wait for Haye to fall at the fist hurdle....
I can see it now..."told ya so etc"
Let's let him fight a few eh people then we can judge him

Geezus... Yeah cuz Americans don't know our Heavywieghts suck. Football and Basketball in the states ruined any HW crop that could have come up.

Why would we be bitter that you had the best HW of recent times? That statment is rediculous. Wow, yeah, I'm pissed I'm also pissed at the Ukraine for having Wlad. I bet that the UK is bitter we've dominated the MW div for so long You guys could care less as could we...

Sure the US would like some decent HW blood but we just don't have it... They're to busy making Millions per year catching a ball.

As for your statement that we're waiting to see Haye stumble... You're damn straight! It has nothing to do with being bitter but he's all mouth... I want Wlad! I'm gonna find him in a mall and talk shit... Wlad laughed at him. Now he's dropping fights with 3rd tier comp so he doesn't get KOd on his first outing cuz that would be......... unfortunate

I agree with him taking C or B level comp to begin with to test the waters but don't call yourself the best HW out there and look for C level guys... Shut your friggin mouth... Take a few gimmes at HW and when you crack the top 5 then open it.

I'd be the first "I told you so" you'd hear.

If he kept his mouth on lock he'd be fine... Promote the fight once it's signed, moron not before... You're not PBF who comanded the sport.

The hate brigade is one he set up... with his mouth.

I can't wait to see him get KOd by Jameel McCline or somebody... I'll laugh my ass off

[The Fightfan]

I disagree with the whole notion of no Heavyweight's because of the other sports . Take a look at some heavyweight's from the past Lennox,Foreman,Tyson, do these look like they could have played basketball against Shaq or hit a pitch from Nolan Ryan or tackle a quarterback. I can't see any of these fighter's because that's what they are fighter's no tremendous athlete's.Do see Tyson ever running downfield and making a miraculous catch. My thought's no. Point being I think TELEVISION has played a big role in youth not being interested in boxing and the lack of boxing gym's in the suburb's. Where most athlete's are coming from now.

[PRIDE OF BOSTON]

I disagree with the whole notion of no Heavyweight's because of the other sports . Take a look at some heavyweight's from the past Lennox,Foreman,Tyson, do these look like they could have played basketball against Shaq or hit a pitch from Nolan Ryan or tackle a quarterback. I can't see any of these fighter's because that's what they are fighter's no tremendous athlete's.Do see Tyson ever running downfield and making a miraculous catch. My thought's no. Point being I think TELEVISION has played a big role in youth not being interested in boxing and the lack of boxing gym's in the suburb's. Where most athlete's are coming from now.

I do agree with this but I think it's part of it. and yes I see Tyson playing Linebacker, absolutly... I see Tommy Morrison playing tight end... I see George Foreman playing Defensive Tackle... I see Riiddick Bowe playing for the Rockets... I see Michael Moorer going toe to toe for a homerun record with Bonds... I see Leon Spinks playing Linebacker...

You used horrible exsmples... Of course I don't see Tyson running downfield catching a pass for 65 yards... That's rediculous... I also don't see geoge foreman playing safty...

[PRIDE OF BOSTON]

You know... To pose this to you...

You can't see Ray Lewis taking someones head off?

[ross]

Your right some of the good heavys wouldnt have the right body type to be successfull in all sports but I bet in basketball and NFL there are athletes who are different to the norm, its the same in all sports.

Mike Tyson is the prime example in boxing, normally if you saw a short bodybuilder, you wouldnt automaticly think "heres the guy to beat a whole divison up and become a great"
Some people excell because they have a burning desire, regardless of how they are built.

Also, if boxing were more popular, more people would participate and so would their friends and so on, the law of percentages would dictate that America having such a large population, they are bound to produce more talented fighters.

It should be brought back in to schools, boxing more than any other sport teaches discipline and respect, in a team sport where the burden doesnt soley rely on an individual, they can boast and brag about their team, whereas in boxing, you learn that disrespecting earns you an angry opponent in a sport where the aim is to hurt and render someone uncounscious.

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[quote=PRIDE OF BOSTON;600398]

You used horrible exsmples... Of course I don't see Tyson running downfield catching a pass for 65 yards... That's rediculous... I also don't see geoge foreman playing safty...

I have no clue about American football but if what you are on about is Mike being a slow runner, im pretty sure he would be a very explosive sprinter, he has massive thighs, he has a typical sprinter type body, all the movements he made while boxing in his early twenties were quick, im sure his legs would be also.

[PRIDE OF BOSTON]

[quote=ross;600409]

You used horrible exsmples... Of course I don't see Tyson running downfield catching a pass for 65 yards... That's rediculous... I also don't see geoge foreman playing safty...

I have no clue about American football but if what you are on about is Mike being a slow runner, im pretty sure he would be a very explosive sprinter, he has massive thighs, he has a typical sprinter type body, all the movements he made while boxing in his early twenties were quick, im sure his legs would be also.

Ok, my appologise but fact is that Tyson would have probably been a great linebacker...(if you don't know what that is it's a defensive player that is normally pretty wide but muscular and quick to chase down the ball)

Here's what Ray Lewis looks like.
6'1" 251lbs

[The Fightfan]

[quote=PRIDE OF BOSTON;600417]

I have no clue about American football but if what you are on about is Mike being a slow runner, im pretty sure he would be a very explosive sprinter, he has massive thighs, he has a typical sprinter type body, all the movements he made while boxing in his early twenties were quick, im sure his legs would be also.

Ok, my appologise but fact is that Tyson would have probably been a great linebacker...(if you don't know what that is it's a defensive player that is normally pretty wide but muscular and quick to chase down the ball)

Here's what Ray Lewis looks like.
6'1" 251lbs

Come on now Pride your insulting my intelligance I understand but I bet you Ray Lewis can't fight worth a damn. The point I was trying to make I don't see a fighter like Ray Robinson doing anything but boxing.
http://i391.photobucket.com/albums/o...ootball/lt.jpg


Don't know what a linebacker is how about this guy. Simply the greatest EVER !!!

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Pride was replying to me, I think.

Sugar Ray Robinson, one of the most co ordinated and driven athletes who was also a boxer so had agression and no fear, you dont see this man doing well in any sport.

Boxers are men who are driven by desire, boxing is the hardest of sports, if someone can be successfull as a boxer, I believe its not beyond them to have the same success in anything else they had chosen to

[PRIDE OF BOSTON]

Pride was replying to me, I think.

Sugar Ray Robinson, one of the most co ordinated and driven athletes who was also a boxer so had agression and no fear, you dont see this man doing well in any sport.

Boxers are men who are driven by desire, boxing is the hardest of sports, if someone can be successfull as a boxer, I believe its not beyond them to have the same success in anything else they had chosen to

Agreed... I give the utmost respect to someone who throws the gloves on but not the same respect to someone who tosses a pair of pads on.

Well said, ross.

[PRIDE OF BOSTON]

[quote=The Fightfan;600485]

Ok, my appologise but fact is that Tyson would have probably been a great linebacker...(if you don't know what that is it's a defensive player that is normally pretty wide but muscular and quick to chase down the ball)

Here's what Ray Lewis looks like.
6'1" 251lbs

Come on now Pride your insulting my intelligance I understand but I bet you Ray Lewis can't fight worth a damn. The point I was trying to make I don't see a fighter like Ray Robinson doing anything but boxing.
http://i391.photobucket.com/albums/o...ootball/lt.jpg


Don't know what a linebacker is how about this guy. Simply the greatest EVER !!!

Nah, I was speaking to ross... LT is a specimen... I'm partial to Mike Vrabal and Rosie Colvin

[rjj tszyu]

American Heavyweights are piss poor and have been for a while. Protected records and then they lose meekly. Great Shame.

Who will fight Haye - it doesn't matter - they are getting KTFO.

Holyfield had one or 2 easy fights when he stepped upto Heavy and Haye probably will aswell - cos people apart from old fogies looking for a last payday won't fight him.

Herbie Hide is an option if they need a name.

Well said but Hide won't move back upto Heavy he's afraid I think. He did want Haye at Cruiser but I think he knew how badly weight drained he is down there now.

[rjj tszyu]

[QUOTE=PRIDE OF BOSTON;600417]

I have no clue about American football but if what you are on about is Mike being a slow runner, im pretty sure he would be a very explosive sprinter, he has massive thighs, he has a typical sprinter type body, all the movements he made while boxing in his early twenties were quick, im sure his legs would be also.

Ok, my appologise but fact is that Tyson would have probably been a great linebacker...(if you don't know what that is it's a defensive player that is normally pretty wide but muscular and quick to chase down the ball)

Here's what Ray Lewis looks like.
6'1" 251lbs

Ok this Ray Lewis looks impressive but what the hell has he got to do with boxing? The whole WWE roster LOOK impressive but I remember Butterbean (of all people) knocking the shit out of them a few years back! And there is no way you can say these punches are fake!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-JFO...eature=related

[PRIDE OF BOSTON]

What does it have to do with boxing?...

I'll paste my prior post...






Geezus... Yeah cuz Americans don't know our Heavywieghts suck. Football and Basketball in the states ruined any HW crop that could have come up.

Why would we be bitter that you had the best HW of recent times? That statment is rediculous. Wow, yeah, I'm pissed I'm also pissed at the Ukraine for having Wlad. I bet that the UK is bitter we've dominated the MW div for so long You guys could care less as could we...

Sure the US would like some decent HW blood but we just don't have it... They're to busy making Millions per year catching a ball.

As for your statement that we're waiting to see Haye stumble... You're damn straight! It has nothing to do with being bitter but he's all mouth... I want Wlad! I'm gonna find him in a mall and talk shit... Wlad laughed at him. Now he's dropping fights with 3rd tier comp so he doesn't get KOd on his first outing cuz that would be......... unfortunate

I agree with him taking C or B level comp to begin with to test the waters but don't call yourself the best HW out there and look for C level guys... Shut your friggin mouth... Take a few gimmes at HW and when you crack the top 5 then open it.

I'd be the first "I told you so" you'd hear.

If he kept his mouth on lock he'd be fine... Promote the fight once it's signed, moron not before... You're not PBF who comanded the sport.

The hate brigade is one he set up... with his mouth.

I can't wait to see him get KOd by Jameel McCline or somebody... I'll laugh my ass off

[Wayne]

I disagree with the whole notion of no Heavyweight's because of the other sports . Take a look at some heavyweight's from the past Lennox,Foreman,Tyson, do these look like they could have played basketball against Shaq or hit a pitch from Nolan Ryan or tackle a quarterback. I can't see any of these fighter's because that's what they are fighter's no tremendous athlete's.Do see Tyson ever running downfield and making a miraculous catch. My thought's no. Point being I think TELEVISION has played a big role in youth not being interested in boxing and the lack of boxing gym's in the suburb's. Where most athlete's are coming from now.

You also have to consider playing football and basketball has gotten a lot more lucrative over the past 10-20 years. Back in Foreman or Tyson's day you could make a whole lot more fighting professionally than playing basketball or football.

The reward has outgrown the risk. Look at a lot of the guys who are retired from football. Replaced knees, totally ruined spines and all kinds of other medical issues and the player's association doesn't take care of them. Now these guys are getting multi-million dollar signing bonuses. In the first half of the 20th century a baseball player had to take a job selling insurance or something to make ends meet. Back then boxers made more simply for the fact there wasn't an off season. Now boxers' pay has more or less leveled off but baseball, basketball and football players' salaries have rocketed exponentially in comparison. You tell me: if you were equally capable in a sport where you might break a leg and in a sport where your face would routinely get turned into hamburger which would you choose. Oh, and add to that if you get injured you still collect a paycheck in the first one and get to rely on a bench to replace you when you're tired as opposed to having to contend the whole game where a guy is constantly trying to rip your head off.

As a side note I saw footage of Tyson playing basketball with some guys and man did he stand out like a sore thumb. Half a head shorter than the shortest person on the court and still the biggest guy out there. None of the guys checked up on him either, and it wasn't because he could have torn their heads off. Tyson shot the biggest of bricks and gave a sheepish grin after. Hell, Tyson might have been too bulky to play football.