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Not to sound nasty here Bruce but lack of training my ass, if you have a future in boxing you already have the talent and the natural instincts of a fighter. Trainers can help you with fundamentals and etc, but the natural instincts of a fighter aswell as talent is of course natural, and no trainer can teach you that. Especially someone like Andrew Hartley IMO.
I somewhat disagree on you with the instinct thing. Instincts can be learned as they are also lost. Passion is what makes a good fighter. You train a child at an early age to be a boxer and most probably he will acquire that so called fighter instinct when he grows up. I know you know what I mean ICB. Talents if not developed is as good as having no talent. We might be looking at Andrew as having no talent because his talent was not developed early. We can not surely judge right now if he has talent or not.

I will give my judgment if he is talented or not after TM train him properly.
This is all civilian speak... You'e never been in with real fighters, have you Bruce.

I was 67-3 as an amateur but was never a real fighter. I wanted to be... I trained to be... But at the end of the day I didn't have the goods. I grew up in a boxing family and was nurtured from an early age... I had heart.. I NEVER stayed down even when I should have and was trained by Ronny Cole who has trained some decent fighters. I didn't have the defensive skills I hoped to have... INSTINCTS CAN NOT BE LEARNED!

I amassed to many concussions to continue...

You're talking out your ass a bit
But 67-3 is a pretty damn good record for somebody that never was a real fighter and didn't have the goods Maybe you didn't have the goods to make it as a top fighter, but it seems like good training and desire took you a lot further than most people get.

I guess I comes down to what kind of future in boxing do you mean? You are good case that training, desire, and heart can take you to a certain point. It might not take you to a title belt or a top 10 ranking, but I'd be pretty proud of myself if I had your record.

If you were a 67-3 amateur, you are probably a heck of a lot better than most of the guys SOB is putting out on his Arkansas cards. Even without the best instincts, you training took you to certain point before you hit a wall, no?

One thing is for sure, though, talent or no talent, it takes a certain amount of stones and desire to get into a ring, get hit hard, keep going, and get in the ring again. Fine, I started too late to really compete, but I've sparred with guys who have way more natural talent than me but they freeze up once you touch them a little. I'm old, slow, and limited, but I've held my own against younger, quicker guys who get tentative once they get hit. That's something you can't teach, either. I'm sure you saw the same thing in your amateur career, and from the way way your describe yourself, you probably beat a lot of guys who had more talent by having bigger balls.