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    Default Re: Cotto eyes future after loss to Margarito

    I don't understand why in the article, it states Cotto made a big mistake by circuling and hitting?

    "Cotto was circling almost from the beginning of the fight and rarely stopped, a move that has been roundly criticized. Cotto wouldn’t accept criticism of his strategy, though he realized he opened himself to it by losing."

    I thought this was the BEST strategy for Cotto and it was working out great for him up until he began to slow down as he came to the realization:

    -that he was not prepared to circle and hit for a full 12 rounds
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    -Margarito's chin was made of Adamanteum (Wolverine bone structure) thus, could not be hurt.

    For Cotto to win a rematch, he must go in with the exact same strategy with two minor modications. He must have it set in his mind that he will NOT be able to stop/hurt Margarito and most importantly, he must build his stamina to the point where would be able to do what he did for the first 6-7 rounds all the way through the full 12 rounds.

    If so, I think Cotto wins an easy UD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sanchez786 View Post
    I don't understand why in the article, it states Cotto made a big mistake by circuling and hitting?

    "Cotto was circling almost from the beginning of the fight and rarely stopped, a move that has been roundly criticized. Cotto wouldn’t accept criticism of his strategy, though he realized he opened himself to it by losing."

    I thought this was the BEST strategy for Cotto and it was working out great for him up until he began to slow down as he came to the realization:

    -that he was not prepared to circle and hit for a full 12 rounds
    and
    -Margarito's chin was made of Adamanteum (Wolverine bone structure) thus, could not be hurt.

    For Cotto to win a rematch, he must go in with the exact same strategy with two minor modications. He must have it set in his mind that he will NOT be able to stop/hurt Margarito and most importantly, he must build his stamina to the point where would be able to do what he did for the first 6-7 rounds all the way through the full 12 rounds.

    If so, I think Cotto wins an easy UD.
    Some good points ,maybe on the last one too.

    ALthough in 36 miniutes of fighting its hard to circle a brick wall hitting it for that long and staying out of reach enough so that it cant get you when it decides to finally fall onto you and squash you .
    Margarito wont be scared of the unknown or the power of Cotto if theres a next time. He will be trained accordingly; to turn and move to cut off the ring with large side step turn and go, to walk through him with combos as Cotto re adjusts. You can only run so far in a ring some less than others. Maybe a big ring and heavier gloves may help Cotto a bit too but I have my doubts.Good luck to him though I'll be on his side next time, being the underdog.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sanchez786 View Post
    I don't understand why in the article, it states Cotto made a big mistake by circuling and hitting?

    "Cotto was circling almost from the beginning of the fight and rarely stopped, a move that has been roundly criticized. Cotto wouldn’t accept criticism of his strategy, though he realized he opened himself to it by losing."

    I thought this was the BEST strategy for Cotto and it was working out great for him up until he began to slow down as he came to the realization:

    -that he was not prepared to circle and hit for a full 12 rounds
    and
    -Margarito's chin was made of Adamanteum (Wolverine bone structure) thus, could not be hurt.

    For Cotto to win a rematch, he must go in with the exact same strategy with two minor modications. He must have it set in his mind that he will NOT be able to stop/hurt Margarito and most importantly, he must build his stamina to the point where would be able to do what he did for the first 6-7 rounds all the way through the full 12 rounds.

    If so, I think Cotto wins an easy UD.


    I don't think the strategy of circling was a mistake either....Be it Cotto or anyone else you can not stand in front of Margarito and trade shots...You have to outbox him....

    Cotto did the right thing.....Just was not his night...he will bounce back
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    I don't understand any other way that he could have been successful against Tony; he sure wasn't going to be able to stand toe2toe with him. He just couldn't maintain that pace the entire fight and especially with his nose being mashed, coupled with getting caught on the ropes 1 too many times.

    Though I'm 1st and foremost a Margo fan I actually have a small hope Cotto wins the rematch just so it sets up a trilogy

    I don't understand how a fan of boxing couldn't like Cotto; a guy who just does his talking in the ring and doesn't make excuses. I'd personally like to see him fight Cintron.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LEGION View Post
    I don't understand any other way that he could have been successful against Tony; he sure wasn't going to be able to stand toe2toe with him. He just couldn't maintain that pace the entire fight and especially with his nose being mashed, coupled with getting caught on the ropes 1 too many times.

    Though I'm 1st and foremost a Margo fan I actually have a small hope Cotto wins the rematch just so it sets up a trilogy

    I don't understand how a fan of boxing couldn't like Cotto; a guy who just does his talking in the ring and doesn't make excuses. I'd personally like to see him fight Cintron.
    He needs to stand toe to toe, he would take 1/2 the punishment in the middle of the ring that he would off the ropes.

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    Cotto needs supreme mayweather defense to win the rematch, and he needs stamina, and maybe sparr with big fighters like margarito, then maybe he could take the ud.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingfrnk View Post
    Cotto needs supreme mayweather defense to win the rematch, and he needs stamina, and maybe sparr with big fighters like margarito, then maybe he could take the ud.
    I agree... Marg is too "granite" to be KO'ed... Cotto mustn't exchange punches like he does on his previous fights... Circling and countering are the keys for winning IMO...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taeth View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by LEGION View Post
    I don't understand any other way that he could have been successful against Tony; he sure wasn't going to be able to stand toe2toe with him. He just couldn't maintain that pace the entire fight and especially with his nose being mashed, coupled with getting caught on the ropes 1 too many times.

    Though I'm 1st and foremost a Margo fan I actually have a small hope Cotto wins the rematch just so it sets up a trilogy

    I don't understand how a fan of boxing couldn't like Cotto; a guy who just does his talking in the ring and doesn't make excuses. I'd personally like to see him fight Cintron.
    He needs to stand toe to toe, he would take 1/2 the punishment in the middle of the ring that he would off the ropes.
    I honestly feel him needing to do it (?) and physically being able to are very different things.Just had a vision ......
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    I agree with every single suggestion in here as to how Cotto can better his chances and make it a better outcome.
    Theres hundreds of things to try so long as you are not dieing in there; the options are still wide.
    Like already suggested the move in closer nose to nose ,block with elbows forearms and gloves like a tight MAywhether style defence. but then make it work for you ;by only half step out on angles and pick the mark as you leave is the next best style of disruption.
    Tony is built solid with an iron beard to feel anything and get disrupted its not going to be from a straight shot that is seen commming at full distance. Its going to have to be targeted to an area that isnt built over muscles and has to be a shock from out of left field.
    Like a temple shot hook or a bomb comming over his own arm as Cotto adjusts so its not seen comming, a heart shot as Cotto ducks under and closes, kidney hooks as he steps out from under an arm but stays tight and turns back in, top ribs under the arm ,or the side of the neck, an uppercut with loaded legs behind it, all shots that can only be unseen when they come from that half way distance and landed by shifting to a reaction not by dancing around going for points.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sanchez786 View Post
    I don't understand why in the article, it states Cotto made a big mistake by circuling and hitting?

    "Cotto was circling almost from the beginning of the fight and rarely stopped, a move that has been roundly criticized. Cotto wouldn’t accept criticism of his strategy, though he realized he opened himself to it by losing."

    I thought this was the BEST strategy for Cotto and it was working out great for him up until he began to slow down as he came to the realization:

    -that he was not prepared to circle and hit for a full 12 rounds
    and
    -Margarito's chin was made of Adamanteum (Wolverine bone structure) thus, could not be hurt.

    For Cotto to win a rematch, he must go in with the exact same strategy with two minor modications. He must have it set in his mind that he will NOT be able to stop/hurt Margarito and most importantly, he must build his stamina to the point where would be able to do what he did for the first 6-7 rounds all the way through the full 12 rounds.

    If so, I think Cotto wins an easy UD.


    I don't think the strategy of circling was a mistake either....Be it Cotto or anyone else you can not stand in front of Margarito and trade shots...You have to outbox him....

    Cotto did the right thing.....Just was not his night...he will bounce back
    Maybe not but Cotto couldn't get full power into his shots, on the backfoot. At times he should have stayed in close and really planted his feet into his shots.

    Cotto landed some good shots but it reminded me of Miranda vs Pavlik, although Cotto is a better fighter on the backfoot than Miranda is.

    Its similar because Cotto although landing good shots like Miranda, Cotto never really landed his best punches. Because he was constantly on the backfoot. And never really planted his feet into his shots.

    Plus Cotto was laying on the ropes too much, and he wasn't spinning Margarito around to get off the ropes. Or trying to circle out of there, and its not like Margarito was cutting off the ring to great effect either.

    He was just following Cotto around but Cotto made a mistake, of laying on the ropes too much. Which allowed Margarito to hit Cotto on arms/head/body/shoulders. Making Cotto uncomfortable at all times.

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    Default Re: Cotto eyes future after loss to Margarito

    I think Cotto needs to realize
    1) WHen he was throwing punches coming forward it was Margarito that was backing up.
    2) If you back up everytime the opponent will be able to dictate the distance to their liking, You have to move back then come forward.
    3) You have to clinch when you can. I am not saying he should mindlessly clinch like John Ruiz, though that might help him, but he should watch Holyfield against Tyson like I have said, and use clinching as an offensive tool, when Margarito comes forward, move in close inbetween punches then use your speed and timing to pick him apart.
    4) Cotto needs to get off first. I notice he often waits when he is on the ropes for his opponent to punch first, but against a guy like Margarito, you will expend less energy throwing 3 or 4 punches then you will getting hit by 10.

    5) He won't beat Margarito, the judging in boxing is so poor, that they didn't even have him ahead going into the 11th round, Having Margarito up by 2 makes me sick to my stomach.

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