Pavlik Vs Hopkins Poll

[Rantcatrat]

I have to point this out:


Kellys power is untested at 170lbs, he looked far from devastating at 166! Hopkins has never remotely been close to being stopped. Too many intangibles involved for me. If Pavlik wins its by close dec.

I will also point out thus far their are 24 people on this forum who really need to watch boxing more or get off Pavliks nuts.

Fighting Hopkins at 170lbs may well be too much for Kelly to prodict a stoppage is 1, Brave or 2, Foolhardy.

Ya Shizz?

That might be one of the most ironic things I've ever read on here. I needed a good laugh today, thanks for that.

Part of me wants Pavlik to lose because a % of his following is blindly insane. The other part wants him to win so Joe gets him and really tears him up.

Either way i want an end to this Pavlik lunacy its worse than Cottos fans were 2-3yrs ago and over taken Pacquiaos nuts.

Its a shame as a lot of Pavliks fans are knowledgeable and objective.

Listen. Pavlik's following is deserved. His punches pack a wallop. His defense is porous. He is an action fighter. He brings the fight to his opponent. He has a KO rate of 90%. All this makes for fan friendly fights. Name the last Pavlik fight that didn't entertain you? I guess the one-sided beat-down of Enzo's boy wasn't much of a contest, but I think arguing it wasn't entertaining would be going too far. All this and the guy is only 26. He took on Jermain Taylor when he was 25.

Are his abilities overrated? Possibly. It is undisputed that he is a one dimensional fighter, but so far it has worked.

Bernard will be a big test for Kelly. If Kelly beats down Bernard, doing what Calzaghe couldn't do, then I think not only does Kelly deserve his following, but he isn't overrated as a fighter either. Granted, I don't think that will happen.

I agree Calzaghe should be favored if Kelly and Joe were to meet next year. I don't think Joe wants any part of Kelly because the risk/reward ratio. Kelly doesn't have the Hopkins RJJ name, and he is more likely to knock you out.

[Markusdarkus]

That might be one of the most ironic things I've ever read on here. I needed a good laugh today, thanks for that.

Part of me wants Pavlik to lose because a % of his following is blindly insane. The other part wants him to win so Joe gets him and really tears him up.

Either way i want an end to this Pavlik lunacy its worse than Cottos fans were 2-3yrs ago and over taken Pacquiaos nuts.

Its a shame as a lot of Pavliks fans are knowledgeable and objective.

Listen. Pavlik's following is deserved. His punches pack a wallop. His defense is porous. He is an action fighter. He brings the fight to his opponent. He has a KO rate of 90%. All this makes for fan friendly fights. Name the last Pavlik fight that didn't entertain you? I guess the one-sided beat-down of Enzo's boy wasn't much of a contest, but I think arguing it wasn't entertaining would be going too far. All this and the guy is only 26. He took on Jermain Taylor when he was 25.

Are his abilities overrated? Possibly. It is undisputed that he is a one dimensional fighter, but so far it has worked.

Bernard will be a big test for Kelly. If Kelly beats down Bernard, doing what Calzaghe couldn't do, then I think not only does Kelly deserve his following, but he isn't overrated as a fighter either. Granted, I don't think that will happen.

I agree Calzaghe should be favored if Kelly and Joe were to meet next year. I don't think Joe wants any part of Kelly because the risk/reward ratio. Kelly doesn't have the Hopkins RJJ name, and he is more likely to knock you out.

Im a Pavlik fan you cannot dislike the guy! its the nut jobs that think he is the second coming of Christ. Pavlik is a limited power punching brawler that will find against Hopkins that unless he adds a dimension he will not hang with a Calzaghe, Kessler, Bute.

Do not mistake me as a Pavlik hater, im a realist. Problem is Pavliks fans have what i call "power punch syndrome" in which he gains a good fowllowing and in that following are total tards that trash every fighter in and around his weight whilst proclaim their man as Jesus b2b God b2b Zelenoffs lack of heart.

I remember the same happened in the Uk with Nigel Benn, people get blinded by power and so-called "white collar"

Lets hope Pavlik can be 50% of what Benn was.

[Rantcatrat]

Part of me wants Pavlik to lose because a % of his following is blindly insane. The other part wants him to win so Joe gets him and really tears him up.

Either way i want an end to this Pavlik lunacy its worse than Cottos fans were 2-3yrs ago and over taken Pacquiaos nuts.

Its a shame as a lot of Pavliks fans are knowledgeable and objective.

Listen. Pavlik's following is deserved. His punches pack a wallop. His defense is porous. He is an action fighter. He brings the fight to his opponent. He has a KO rate of 90%. All this makes for fan friendly fights. Name the last Pavlik fight that didn't entertain you? I guess the one-sided beat-down of Enzo's boy wasn't much of a contest, but I think arguing it wasn't entertaining would be going too far. All this and the guy is only 26. He took on Jermain Taylor when he was 25.

Are his abilities overrated? Possibly. It is undisputed that he is a one dimensional fighter, but so far it has worked.

Bernard will be a big test for Kelly. If Kelly beats down Bernard, doing what Calzaghe couldn't do, then I think not only does Kelly deserve his following, but he isn't overrated as a fighter either. Granted, I don't think that will happen.

I agree Calzaghe should be favored if Kelly and Joe were to meet next year. I don't think Joe wants any part of Kelly because the risk/reward ratio. Kelly doesn't have the Hopkins RJJ name, and he is more likely to knock you out.

Im a Pavlik fan you cannot dislike the guy! its the nut jobs that think he is the second coming of Christ. Pavlik is a limited power punching brawler that will find against Hopkins that unless he adds a dimension he will not hang with a Calzaghe, Kessler, Bute.

Do not mistake me as a Pavlik hater, im a realist. Problem is Pavliks fans have what i call "power punch syndrome" in which he gains a good fowllowing and in that following are total tards that trash every fighter in and around his weight whilst proclaim their man as Jesus b2b God b2b Zelenoffs lack of heart.

I remember the same happened in the Uk with Nigel Benn, people get blinded by power and so-called "white collar"

Lets hope Pavlik can be 50% of what Benn was.

Pavlik can't hang with Kessler? That's ridiculous. Does Kessler have a chin to handle a Pavlik punch? He backed out of a fight with Miranda and fought two club fighters over the past year.

Bute has only one convincing win on his resume: Sakio Bika. A fight with Bute would never happen because who outside of Montreal knows anything about Bute?

I give Joe the edge in a fight with Pavlik although I was a bit dismayed he took the fight with RJJ rather than fight Pavlik, you should hope that isn't indicative of any doubt. Remember what Pavlik did to his stablemate. Didn't that guy retire after the fight?

Answer me this: what if Pavlik beats Bernard in a better fashion than Joe beat Bernard? Gains your respect?

[Markusdarkus]

Listen. Pavlik's following is deserved. His punches pack a wallop. His defense is porous. He is an action fighter. He brings the fight to his opponent. He has a KO rate of 90%. All this makes for fan friendly fights. Name the last Pavlik fight that didn't entertain you? I guess the one-sided beat-down of Enzo's boy wasn't much of a contest, but I think arguing it wasn't entertaining would be going too far. All this and the guy is only 26. He took on Jermain Taylor when he was 25.

Are his abilities overrated? Possibly. It is undisputed that he is a one dimensional fighter, but so far it has worked.

Bernard will be a big test for Kelly. If Kelly beats down Bernard, doing what Calzaghe couldn't do, then I think not only does Kelly deserve his following, but he isn't overrated as a fighter either. Granted, I don't think that will happen.

I agree Calzaghe should be favored if Kelly and Joe were to meet next year. I don't think Joe wants any part of Kelly because the risk/reward ratio. Kelly doesn't have the Hopkins RJJ name, and he is more likely to knock you out.

Im a Pavlik fan you cannot dislike the guy! its the nut jobs that think he is the second coming of Christ. Pavlik is a limited power punching brawler that will find against Hopkins that unless he adds a dimension he will not hang with a Calzaghe, Kessler, Bute.

Do not mistake me as a Pavlik hater, im a realist. Problem is Pavliks fans have what i call "power punch syndrome" in which he gains a good fowllowing and in that following are total tards that trash every fighter in and around his weight whilst proclaim their man as Jesus b2b God b2b Zelenoffs lack of heart.

I remember the same happened in the Uk with Nigel Benn, people get blinded by power and so-called "white collar"

Lets hope Pavlik can be 50% of what Benn was.

Pavlik can't hang with Kessler? That's ridiculous. Does Kessler have a chin to handle a Pavlik punch? He backed out of a fight with Miranda and fought two club fighters over the past year.

Bute has only one convincing win on his resume: Sakio Bika. A fight with Bute would never happen because who outside of Montreal knows anything about Bute?

I give Joe the edge in a fight with Pavlik although I was a bit dismayed he took the fight with RJJ rather than fight Pavlik, you should hope that isn't indicative of any doubt. Remember what Pavlik did to his stablemate. Didn't that guy retire after the fight?

Answer me this: what if Pavlik beats Bernard in a better fashion than Joe beat Bernard? Gains your respect?

Pavlik has my respect. I said unless he changes he wont beat Kessler. Taylor who is a 8rd fighter took Pavlik all the way. And again Kessler fights at 168lbs in no way will Pavlik be a murderous puncher at that weight.


The loony 10% of Kellys fans will be brought down to earth after Hopkins its a 50-50 fight and in no way one sided unless Hopkins lands a bomb.

[Rantcatrat]

Im a Pavlik fan you cannot dislike the guy! its the nut jobs that think he is the second coming of Christ. Pavlik is a limited power punching brawler that will find against Hopkins that unless he adds a dimension he will not hang with a Calzaghe, Kessler, Bute.

Do not mistake me as a Pavlik hater, im a realist. Problem is Pavliks fans have what i call "power punch syndrome" in which he gains a good fowllowing and in that following are total tards that trash every fighter in and around his weight whilst proclaim their man as Jesus b2b God b2b Zelenoffs lack of heart.

I remember the same happened in the Uk with Nigel Benn, people get blinded by power and so-called "white collar"

Lets hope Pavlik can be 50% of what Benn was.

Pavlik can't hang with Kessler? That's ridiculous. Does Kessler have a chin to handle a Pavlik punch? He backed out of a fight with Miranda and fought two club fighters over the past year.

Bute has only one convincing win on his resume: Sakio Bika. A fight with Bute would never happen because who outside of Montreal knows anything about Bute?

I give Joe the edge in a fight with Pavlik although I was a bit dismayed he took the fight with RJJ rather than fight Pavlik, you should hope that isn't indicative of any doubt. Remember what Pavlik did to his stablemate. Didn't that guy retire after the fight?

Answer me this: what if Pavlik beats Bernard in a better fashion than Joe beat Bernard? Gains your respect?

Pavlik has my respect. I said unless he changes he wont beat Kessler. Taylor who is a 8rd fighter took Pavlik all the way. And again Kessler fights at 168lbs in no way will Pavlik be a murderous puncher at that weight.


The loony 10% of Kellys fans will be brought down to earth after Hopkins its a 50-50 fight and in no way one sided unless Hopkins lands a bomb.

You never answered the question posed: will you give KP credit if he beats Hopkins? What if he knocks out Hopkins?

Again, not that I'm saying either will happen.

[Markusdarkus]

Pavlik can't hang with Kessler? That's ridiculous. Does Kessler have a chin to handle a Pavlik punch? He backed out of a fight with Miranda and fought two club fighters over the past year.

Bute has only one convincing win on his resume: Sakio Bika. A fight with Bute would never happen because who outside of Montreal knows anything about Bute?

I give Joe the edge in a fight with Pavlik although I was a bit dismayed he took the fight with RJJ rather than fight Pavlik, you should hope that isn't indicative of any doubt. Remember what Pavlik did to his stablemate. Didn't that guy retire after the fight?

Answer me this: what if Pavlik beats Bernard in a better fashion than Joe beat Bernard? Gains your respect?

Pavlik has my respect. I said unless he changes he wont beat Kessler. Taylor who is a 8rd fighter took Pavlik all the way. And again Kessler fights at 168lbs in no way will Pavlik be a murderous puncher at that weight.


The loony 10% of Kellys fans will be brought down to earth after Hopkins its a 50-50 fight and in no way one sided unless Hopkins lands a bomb.

You never answered the question posed: will you give KP credit if he beats Hopkins? What if he knocks out Hopkins?

Again, not that I'm saying either will happen.

Pavlik has my respect. If he beats Hopkins it goes up if he stops him it goes right up.

Again its styles, this version of Hopkins is going to be very hard for a straight foward fighter to beat him. Winky couldnt do it neither could Tarver. Pavlik has 3 basic punches a jab, right cross and uppercut. I think Hopkins will not have to try and solve Pavlik but Pavlik need to solve Hopkins.

[CountryBoy]

Pavlik has my respect. I said unless he changes he wont beat Kessler. Taylor who is a 8rd fighter took Pavlik all the way. And again Kessler fights at 168lbs in no way will Pavlik be a murderous puncher at that weight.


The loony 10% of Kellys fans will be brought down to earth after Hopkins its a 50-50 fight and in no way one sided unless Hopkins lands a bomb.

You never answered the question posed: will you give KP credit if he beats Hopkins? What if he knocks out Hopkins?

Again, not that I'm saying either will happen.

Pavlik has my respect. If he beats Hopkins it goes up if he stops him it goes right up.

Again its styles, this version of Hopkins is going to be very hard for a straight foward fighter to beat him. Winky couldnt do it neither could Tarver. Pavlik has 3 basic punches a jab, right cross and uppercut. I think Hopkins will not have to try and solve Pavlik but Pavlik need to solve Hopkins.

Winky has only a jab and defense, Taver was weight drained and just finished filming Rocky6 and is very timid when fighting to began with, Pavlik has a arsenal of weapons. Jab,Right Cross,Left/Right Uppercut,Left Hook and a good variety of Body punches. I see Pavlik stopping Hopkins easier than most think, But this is MY Opinion only.

Hopkins will be strong for a round or two and then start holding head butting and running from Pavlik. Hopkins is Great, But he is not the same guy he was once ago.

[CFH]

Listen. Pavlik's following is deserved. His punches pack a wallop. His defense is porous. He is an action fighter. He brings the fight to his opponent. He has a KO rate of 90%. All this makes for fan friendly fights. Name the last Pavlik fight that didn't entertain you? I guess the one-sided beat-down of Enzo's boy wasn't much of a contest, but I think arguing it wasn't entertaining would be going too far. All this and the guy is only 26. He took on Jermain Taylor when he was 25.

Are his abilities overrated? Possibly. It is undisputed that he is a one dimensional fighter, but so far it has worked.

Bernard will be a big test for Kelly. If Kelly beats down Bernard, doing what Calzaghe couldn't do, then I think not only does Kelly deserve his following, but he isn't overrated as a fighter either. Granted, I don't think that will happen.

I agree Calzaghe should be favored if Kelly and Joe were to meet next year. I don't think Joe wants any part of Kelly because the risk/reward ratio. Kelly doesn't have the Hopkins RJJ name, and he is more likely to knock you out.

Im a Pavlik fan you cannot dislike the guy! its the nut jobs that think he is the second coming of Christ. Pavlik is a limited power punching brawler that will find against Hopkins that unless he adds a dimension he will not hang with a Calzaghe, Kessler, Bute.

Do not mistake me as a Pavlik hater, im a realist. Problem is Pavliks fans have what i call "power punch syndrome" in which he gains a good fowllowing and in that following are total tards that trash every fighter in and around his weight whilst proclaim their man as Jesus b2b God b2b Zelenoffs lack of heart.

I remember the same happened in the Uk with Nigel Benn, people get blinded by power and so-called "white collar"

Lets hope Pavlik can be 50% of what Benn was.

Pavlik can't hang with Kessler? That's ridiculous. Does Kessler have a chin to handle a Pavlik punch? He backed out of a fight with Miranda and fought two club fighters over the past year.

Bute has only one convincing win on his resume: Sakio Bika. A fight with Bute would never happen because who outside of Montreal knows anything about Bute?

I give Joe the edge in a fight with Pavlik although I was a bit dismayed he took the fight with RJJ rather than fight Pavlik, you should hope that isn't indicative of any doubt. Remember what Pavlik did to his stablemate. Didn't that guy retire after the fight?

Answer me this: what if Pavlik beats Bernard in a better fashion than Joe beat Bernard? Gains your respect?

I'm not a Pavlik fan and I like Kessler quite a bit, but I would heavily favor Pavlik in that fight.

[ICB]

Listen. Pavlik's following is deserved. His punches pack a wallop. His defense is porous. He is an action fighter. He brings the fight to his opponent. He has a KO rate of 90%. All this makes for fan friendly fights. Name the last Pavlik fight that didn't entertain you? I guess the one-sided beat-down of Enzo's boy wasn't much of a contest, but I think arguing it wasn't entertaining would be going too far. All this and the guy is only 26. He took on Jermain Taylor when he was 25.

Are his abilities overrated? Possibly. It is undisputed that he is a one dimensional fighter, but so far it has worked.

Bernard will be a big test for Kelly. If Kelly beats down Bernard, doing what Calzaghe couldn't do, then I think not only does Kelly deserve his following, but he isn't overrated as a fighter either. Granted, I don't think that will happen.

I agree Calzaghe should be favored if Kelly and Joe were to meet next year. I don't think Joe wants any part of Kelly because the risk/reward ratio. Kelly doesn't have the Hopkins RJJ name, and he is more likely to knock you out.

Im a Pavlik fan you cannot dislike the guy! its the nut jobs that think he is the second coming of Christ. Pavlik is a limited power punching brawler that will find against Hopkins that unless he adds a dimension he will not hang with a Calzaghe, Kessler, Bute.

Do not mistake me as a Pavlik hater, im a realist. Problem is Pavliks fans have what i call "power punch syndrome" in which he gains a good fowllowing and in that following are total tards that trash every fighter in and around his weight whilst proclaim their man as Jesus b2b God b2b Zelenoffs lack of heart.

I remember the same happened in the Uk with Nigel Benn, people get blinded by power and so-called "white collar"

Lets hope Pavlik can be 50% of what Benn was.

Pavlik can't hang with Kessler? That's ridiculous. Does Kessler have a chin to handle a Pavlik punch? He backed out of a fight with Miranda and fought two club fighters over the past year.

Bute has only one convincing win on his resume: Sakio Bika. A fight with Bute would never happen because who outside of Montreal knows anything about Bute?

I give Joe the edge in a fight with Pavlik although I was a bit dismayed he took the fight with RJJ rather than fight Pavlik, you should hope that isn't indicative of any doubt. Remember what Pavlik did to his stablemate. Didn't that guy retire after the fight?

Answer me this: what if Pavlik beats Bernard in a better fashion than Joe beat Bernard? Gains your respect?

Well i certainly know about Lucian Bute he is the only fighter who has ever stopped Kabary Salem, who heavily dropped Joe Calzaghe. And gave Joe Calzaghe 12 tough/awkward rounds.

He also stopped Alejandro Berrio who isn't a bad fighter, and has a very high KO percentage. Sakio Bika say what you want about him, but no one has had an easy time with Sakio Bika.

Including Joe Calzaghe who received a very tough physical fight, where he looked like he was fading a bit near the end of the fight. Lucian Bute beat Sakio Bika more convincing than anyone else has including Joe Calzaghe.

And now Lucian Bute is fighting Librado Andrade so he is willing, to fight the top fighters in the Super Middleweight division. I've told people from last year Lucian Bute is the dark horse of the division, and he will suprise many people.

[Rantcatrat]

Im a Pavlik fan you cannot dislike the guy! its the nut jobs that think he is the second coming of Christ. Pavlik is a limited power punching brawler that will find against Hopkins that unless he adds a dimension he will not hang with a Calzaghe, Kessler, Bute.

Do not mistake me as a Pavlik hater, im a realist. Problem is Pavliks fans have what i call "power punch syndrome" in which he gains a good fowllowing and in that following are total tards that trash every fighter in and around his weight whilst proclaim their man as Jesus b2b God b2b Zelenoffs lack of heart.

I remember the same happened in the Uk with Nigel Benn, people get blinded by power and so-called "white collar"

Lets hope Pavlik can be 50% of what Benn was.

Pavlik can't hang with Kessler? That's ridiculous. Does Kessler have a chin to handle a Pavlik punch? He backed out of a fight with Miranda and fought two club fighters over the past year.

Bute has only one convincing win on his resume: Sakio Bika. A fight with Bute would never happen because who outside of Montreal knows anything about Bute?

I give Joe the edge in a fight with Pavlik although I was a bit dismayed he took the fight with RJJ rather than fight Pavlik, you should hope that isn't indicative of any doubt. Remember what Pavlik did to his stablemate. Didn't that guy retire after the fight?

Answer me this: what if Pavlik beats Bernard in a better fashion than Joe beat Bernard? Gains your respect?

Well i certainly know about Lucian Bute he is the only fighter who has ever stopped Kabary Salem, who heavily dropped Joe Calzaghe. And gave Joe Calzaghe 12 tough/awkward rounds.

He also stopped Alejandro Berrio who isn't a bad fighter, and has a very high KO percentage. Sakio Bika say what you want about him, but no one has had an easy time with Sakio Bika.

Including Joe Calzaghe who received a very tough physical fight, where he looked like he was fading a bit near the end of the fight. Lucian Bute beat Sakio Bika more convincing than anyone else has including Joe Calzaghe.

And now Lucian Bute is fighting Librado Andrade so he is willing, to fight the top fighters in the Super Middleweight division. I've told people from last year Lucian Bute is the dark horse of the division, and he will suprise many people.

I too like what I've seen from Lucian Bute albeit against primarily limited opposition.

Let's not forget, Salem was 37 when he faced Bute and was coming off of two straight losses. For all of his toughness, Salem hadn't faced any big-time opposition. Berrio is another tough boxer who also has never faced big-time opposition.

Like I said earlier, Bute's biggest win was against Bika. Bika is a beast and I give Bute credit for dominating him.

I am curious to see how he'll perform against Andrade. Kessler dominated Andrade, but couldn't stop him. Will Bute stop Andrade? Andrade has a granite chin. Andrade also has 8 inches in reach on Bute!

If Bute beats Andrade, I think it will be fare to say that Bute can beat limited boxers with granite chins: Salem, Bika, and Andrade (if). His next challenge should be a good athlete that can box.

[Markusdarkus]

Part of me wants Pavlik to lose because a % of his following is blindly insane. The other part wants him to win so Joe gets him and really tears him up.

Either way i want an end to this Pavlik lunacy its worse than Cottos fans were 2-3yrs ago and over taken Pacquiaos nuts.

Its a shame as a lot of Pavliks fans are knowledgeable and objective.

Listen. Pavlik's following is deserved. His punches pack a wallop. His defense is porous. He is an action fighter. He brings the fight to his opponent. He has a KO rate of 90%. All this makes for fan friendly fights. Name the last Pavlik fight that didn't entertain you? I guess the one-sided beat-down of Enzo's boy wasn't much of a contest, but I think arguing it wasn't entertaining would be going too far. All this and the guy is only 26. He took on Jermain Taylor when he was 25.

Are his abilities overrated? Possibly. It is undisputed that he is a one dimensional fighter, but so far it has worked.

Bernard will be a big test for Kelly. If Kelly beats down Bernard, doing what Calzaghe couldn't do, then I think not only does Kelly deserve his following, but he isn't overrated as a fighter either. Granted, I don't think that will happen.

I agree Calzaghe should be favored if Kelly and Joe were to meet next year. I don't think Joe wants any part of Kelly because the risk/reward ratio. Kelly doesn't have the Hopkins RJJ name, and he is more likely to knock you out.

Im a Pavlik fan you cannot dislike the guy! its the nut jobs that think he is the second coming of Christ. Pavlik is a limited power punching brawler that will find against Hopkins that unless he adds a dimension he will not hang with a Calzaghe, Kessler, Bute.

Do not mistake me as a Pavlik hater, im a realist. Problem is Pavliks fans have what i call "power punch syndrome" in which he gains a good fowllowing and in that following are total tards that trash every fighter in and around his weight whilst proclaim their man as Jesus b2b God b2b Zelenoffs lack of heart.

I remember the same happened in the Uk with Nigel Benn, people get blinded by power and so-called "white collar"

Lets hope Pavlik can be 50% of what Benn was.

O snap been saying it for a year now. TOO ONE DIMENSIONAL TO REALLY HANG WITH ELITE.

[TheChosenOne]

there has to be about 30 hopkins topics on the go right now

[Mar]

I'll go with hopkins....