kelly pavlik against past middle and light heavyweights

[Markusdarkus]

He would beat Hearns imo.

McCallum, Jones, Hopkins, Eubank, Hagler the list is endless that would school him.

[JonnyFolds]

I like it... Pavlikfan posts something about Pavlik and the first two replies are Anti-Pavlik. Well, it's true he has his weaknesses. But seriously, this guy has some real strength. I think that we could all agree that Hearns would have a hard time with him. I think Hagler would take it the distance, and edge him. RJJ would give him a fit.

He would beat Hopkins, Winky, Eubank, and Calzaghe. I have to say he is no slouch. He has really cleaned out his division fairly quickly. All the people he beat have beaten the good prospects, so we'll just have to see him pack on the pounds and applying the pressure to other divisions.

[CFH]

Lets not get carried away over Pavlik. He's not in the league of a Tommy Hearns or a Marvin Hagler or any of the greats because he hasn't accomplished a percentage of what those guys did.

The only guy I'd give him a chance against would be Hearns, only because of Hearns chin, but it'd be a shootout and whoever landed the first big shot(s) would win IMO.

[Markusdarkus]

I like it... Pavlikfan posts something about Pavlik and the first two replies are Anti-Pavlik. Well, it's true he has his weaknesses. But seriously, this guy has some real strength. I think that we could all agree that Hearns would have a hard time with him. I think Hagler would take it the distance, and edge him. RJJ would give him a fit.

He would beat Hopkins, Winky, Eubank, and Calzaghe. I have to say he is no slouch. He has really cleaned out his division fairly quickly. All the people he beat have beaten the good prospects, so we'll just have to see him pack on the pounds and applying the pressure to other divisions.

That is probably that daftest Pavlik loonacy love ive ever read:

He would beat Winky, Eubank and Calzaghe prime 4 prime!

May as well throw in Benn and Mcallum!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Its posts like this drivvel that turns purists against the likable Pavlik.

Utter tripe.

[ICB]

I like it... Pavlikfan posts something about Pavlik and the first two replies are Anti-Pavlik. Well, it's true he has his weaknesses. But seriously, this guy has some real strength. I think that we could all agree that Hearns would have a hard time with him. I think Hagler would take it the distance, and edge him. RJJ would give him a fit.

He would beat Hopkins, Winky, Eubank, and Calzaghe. I have to say he is no slouch. He has really cleaned out his division fairly quickly. All the people he beat have beaten the good prospects, so we'll just have to see him pack on the pounds and applying the pressure to other divisions.

How has Kelly Pavlik cleaned out the division ? he did beat the best Middleweight Jermain Taylor no arguments. But he has in no way shape or form cleaned out the division, theres still other champions like Felix Sturm, Arthur Abraham. Or how about Raul Marquez, John Duddy ? theres quite a few names he has to beat before we or he can claim he has cleaned out the division.

[CutMeMick]

It's still waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay to early to level him against ATG...

I like how 1 or 2 top fights into a champs reing people quickly start listing him in mythical fights.

I like Pavlik but beating Miranda & JT is not enough for me to determine how he would do vs. ATG.

We still might not have seen Pavlik at his best, maybes there's more to him.

[Deanrw]

It's still waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay to early to level him against ATG...

I like how 1 or 2 top fights into a champs reing people quickly start listing him in mythical fights.

I like Pavlik but beating Miranda & JT is not enough for me to determine how he would do vs. ATG.

We still might not have seen Pavlik at his best, maybes there's more to him.

I was thinking the same thing. Until he does more, it is impossible to determine at what level he is at. He still seems to be evolving at this point, or at least showing us different views of what he can do.

Due to his physical size, you can say he is a stylistic nightmare to some of them, but what made them great was their ability to overcome stylistic nightmares.

[CutMeMick]

It's still waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay to early to level him against ATG...

I like how 1 or 2 top fights into a champs reing people quickly start listing him in mythical fights.

I like Pavlik but beating Miranda & JT is not enough for me to determine how he would do vs. ATG.

We still might not have seen Pavlik at his best, maybes there's more to him.

I was thinking the same thing. Until he does more, it is impossible to determine at what level he is at. He still seems to be evolving at this point, or at least showing us different views of what he can do.

Due to his physical size, you can say he is a stylistic nightmare to some of them, but what made them great was their ability to overcome stylistic nightmares.

Right on...

[Spicoli]

Sometimes you just have shake your head.I get caught up at times as much as the next guy in some hype....but Slooow down.Pavlik is an undeniable offensive power house hitting his stride.He is honing his all around skills off that power but in all honesty.....his straight forward power behind a descent jab ,at this point ,is what carries him through his fights.The Taylor fights were pure education 101 and much needed learning.He learned what NOT to do early on and that power brought him out with a top notch KO.The 2nd saw both fighters make adjustments,Taylor boxed well and kept it close Imo until Pavliks power and improved body work took a toll in the 11th with a great left to the ribs.I thought that round won him the fight.The man is learning and frankly has to add a few attributes to that proven offense before he upend's any of the past ATG's, Hagler,Toney,Hopkins,Monzon,Hearns,etc.In his last few fights,I flash back to the way Taylor was able to nearly control the tempo along the ropes in the 2nd fight ,he literally would walk Pavlik around at times and reset.Its all part of learning and Kelly is taking mental notes.Making adjustments....It's the name of the game,ecspecially when the times get rough.The man has fought past the 9th round ONCE, One time!!One thing at a time,He has to face a faded Atg next up in Hopkins and should have a complete loose leaf notebook and a sharp pencil very much at the ready .Ive warmed to this fight.

[RozzySean]

He would beat Hearns imo.

McCallum, Jones, Hopkins, Eubank, Hagler the list is endless that would school him.

I'm not sure I would put McCallum or Eubank on that list. Hagler, Monzon, Jones, and Toney, for sure.

[ICB]

He would beat Hearns imo.

McCallum, Jones, Hopkins, Eubank, Hagler the list is endless that would school him.

I'm not sure I would put McCallum or Eubank on that list. Hagler, Monzon, Jones, and Toney, for sure.

I would bro Mike McCallum at his best had a granite chin, great technical skills. And was a terrific body puncher and Kelly Pavlik would be virtually, doubling over after about the 8th round or 9th round. Plus Kelly Pavlik's power wouldn't dent Mike McCallum IMO. Because remember Mike McCallum beat Julian Jackson and took his power, and Julian Jackson is a bigger puncher than Kelly Pavlik for certain.

Chris Eubank fought Nigel Benn who was also a bigger puncher than Kelly Pavlik was. And Nigel Benn couldn't even wobble or effect Chris Eubank one bit, Chris Eubank even moved up to Cruiserweight and fought a good puncher in Carl Thompson.

And never looked close to going down but he actually put Carl Thompson down, and had him wobbling quite a few times. The point im making Chris Eubank at his best had one of the best chins i've ever seen, and had enough power to wear out Kelly Pavlik late on, and stop him in a battle chins/will.

[RozzySean]

He would beat Hearns imo.

McCallum, Jones, Hopkins, Eubank, Hagler the list is endless that would school him.

I'm not sure I would put McCallum or Eubank on that list. Hagler, Monzon, Jones, and Toney, for sure.

I would bro Mike McCallum at his best had a granite chin, great technical skills. And was a terrific body puncher and Kelly Pavlik would be virtually, doubling over after about the 8th round or 9th round. Plus Kelly Pavlik's power wouldn't dent Mike McCallum IMO. Because remember Mike McCallum beat Julian Jackson and took his power, and Julian Jackson is a bigger puncher than Kelly Pavlik for certain.

Chris Eubank fought Nigel Benn who was also a bigger puncher than Kelly Pavlik was. And Nigel Benn couldn't even wobble or effect Chris Eubank one bit, Chris Eubank even moved up to Cruiserweight and fought a good puncher in Carl Thompson.

And never looked close to going down but he actually put Carl Thompson down, and had him wobbling quite a few times. The point im making Chris Eubank at his best had one of the best chins i've ever seen, and had enough power to wear out Kelly Pavlik late on, and stop him in a battle chins/will.

I'm not claiming Pavlik beats them, but he doesn't get "schooled."

McCallum sparked out china-chin Jackson in two, not exactly a true test. You also predict Jackson over Pavlik in 2, which is a silly statement. Pavlik would likely have Julian Jackson out in 2. Pavlik's reach would have the potential to give McCallum a very hard time. You have to get past that reach to get to the body. Pavlik's a much bigger man, and that would have an impact. This would be a very close fight.

Same with Eubank. This is a very close fight. Maybe Eubank comes out on top, but I wouldn't bet on him to "school" Pavlik.

To me, if a fighter gets schooled, it means he's completely outclassed...either by lack of skill, difficult matchup, or both. Examples Tito against Winky or ODLH against Mayorga. I wouldn't expect McCallum or Eubank to make Pavlik look bad. They are both close fights, whereas Hagler, Monzon, or Jones would make Kelly look stupid. Savy?

[Fenster]

Of all the names listed so far I think Pavlik would be a game challenger but loses to all of them.

Maybe in a few years Pavlik will prove himself to be a "great" fighter and be worthy of being ranked alongside other "great" fighters.. although I doubt it.

[ICB]

I'm not sure I would put McCallum or Eubank on that list. Hagler, Monzon, Jones, and Toney, for sure.

I would bro Mike McCallum at his best had a granite chin, great technical skills. And was a terrific body puncher and Kelly Pavlik would be virtually, doubling over after about the 8th round or 9th round. Plus Kelly Pavlik's power wouldn't dent Mike McCallum IMO. Because remember Mike McCallum beat Julian Jackson and took his power, and Julian Jackson is a bigger puncher than Kelly Pavlik for certain.

Chris Eubank fought Nigel Benn who was also a bigger puncher than Kelly Pavlik was. And Nigel Benn couldn't even wobble or effect Chris Eubank one bit, Chris Eubank even moved up to Cruiserweight and fought a good puncher in Carl Thompson.

And never looked close to going down but he actually put Carl Thompson down, and had him wobbling quite a few times. The point im making Chris Eubank at his best had one of the best chins i've ever seen, and had enough power to wear out Kelly Pavlik late on, and stop him in a battle chins/will.

I'm not claiming Pavlik beats them, but he doesn't get "schooled."

McCallum sparked out china-chin Jackson in two, not exactly a true test. You also predict Jackson over Pavlik in 2, which is a silly statement. Pavlik would likely have Julian Jackson out in 2. Pavlik's reach would have the potential to give McCallum a very hard time. You have to get past that reach to get to the body. Pavlik's a much bigger man, and that would have an impact. This would be a very close fight.

Same with Eubank. This is a very close fight. Maybe Eubank comes out on top, but I wouldn't bet on him to "school" Pavlik.

To me, if a fighter gets schooled, it means he's completely outclassed...either by lack of skill, difficult matchup, or both. Examples Tito against Winky or ODLH against Mayorga. I wouldn't expect McCallum or Eubank to make Pavlik look bad. They are both close fights, whereas Hagler, Monzon, or Jones would make Kelly look stupid. Savy?

I don't see why predicting Julian Jackson over Kelly Pavlik in 2 is a silly statement, and i don't think Julian Jackson's chin was as weak as you claim. And i don't think Kelly Pavlik's chin is that solid either, he just has good recovery skills.

Julian Jackson was a very fast starter and Kelly Pavlik has been caught early a few times, against Zuniga, Taylor. If Julian Jackson KD's Kelly Pavlik he isn't getting up simple as, Julian Jackson's power are almost out of this world.

I understand what your saying now your saying that McCallum, Eubank, are not in the same league, as RJJ, Toney, etc. In terms of schooling Pavlik, i didn't know you was implying that.

I agree with that but i don't think Carlos Monzon school's Kelly Pavlik either, i think there similar style wise and it would be a battle of the jabs. And there right hands but i think Carlos Monzon's superior chin would be the edge in the fight.

[RozzySean]

I would bro Mike McCallum at his best had a granite chin, great technical skills. And was a terrific body puncher and Kelly Pavlik would be virtually, doubling over after about the 8th round or 9th round. Plus Kelly Pavlik's power wouldn't dent Mike McCallum IMO. Because remember Mike McCallum beat Julian Jackson and took his power, and Julian Jackson is a bigger puncher than Kelly Pavlik for certain.

Chris Eubank fought Nigel Benn who was also a bigger puncher than Kelly Pavlik was. And Nigel Benn couldn't even wobble or effect Chris Eubank one bit, Chris Eubank even moved up to Cruiserweight and fought a good puncher in Carl Thompson.

And never looked close to going down but he actually put Carl Thompson down, and had him wobbling quite a few times. The point im making Chris Eubank at his best had one of the best chins i've ever seen, and had enough power to wear out Kelly Pavlik late on, and stop him in a battle chins/will.

I'm not claiming Pavlik beats them, but he doesn't get "schooled."

McCallum sparked out china-chin Jackson in two, not exactly a true test. You also predict Jackson over Pavlik in 2, which is a silly statement. Pavlik would likely have Julian Jackson out in 2. Pavlik's reach would have the potential to give McCallum a very hard time. You have to get past that reach to get to the body. Pavlik's a much bigger man, and that would have an impact. This would be a very close fight.

Same with Eubank. This is a very close fight. Maybe Eubank comes out on top, but I wouldn't bet on him to "school" Pavlik.

To me, if a fighter gets schooled, it means he's completely outclassed...either by lack of skill, difficult matchup, or both. Examples Tito against Winky or ODLH against Mayorga. I wouldn't expect McCallum or Eubank to make Pavlik look bad. They are both close fights, whereas Hagler, Monzon, or Jones would make Kelly look stupid. Savy?

I don't see why predicting Julian Jackson over Kelly Pavlik in 2 is a silly statement, and i don't think Julian Jackson's chin was as weak as you claim. And i don't think Kelly Pavlik's chin is that solid either, he just has good recovery skills.

Julian Jackson was a very fast starter and Kelly Pavlik has been caught early a few times, against Zuniga, Taylor. If Julian Jackson KD's Kelly Pavlik he isn't getting up simple as, Julian Jackson's power are almost out of this world.

I understand what your saying now your saying that McCallum, Eubank, are not in the same league, as RJJ, Toney, etc. In terms of schooling Pavlik, i didn't know you was implying that.

I agree with that but i don't think Carlos Monzon school's Kelly Pavlik either, i think there similar style wise and it would be a battle of the jabs. And there right hands but i think Carlos Monzon's superior chin would be the edge in the fight.

Come one, Jackson had a china chin. Look at his record. Every loss by KO, even to guys who aren't known as big punchers. Pavlik backed up and took out Edson Miranda, who is P4P not as big a puncher as Jackson, but Miranda is a much bigger guy with very good power. I would give Jackson a punchers chance against Pavlik, but I think it is far more likely that Pavlik sparks out Jackson than Jackson sparks out Pavlik. Either way, the fight ain't going the distance, but I don't see how you could make Jackson a favorite.