kelly pavlik against past middle and light heavyweights

[CutMeMick]

It's still waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay to early to level him against ATG...

I like how 1 or 2 top fights into a champs reing people quickly start listing him in mythical fights.

I like Pavlik but beating Miranda & JT is not enough for me to determine how he would do vs. ATG.

We still might not have seen Pavlik at his best, maybes there's more to him.

[Deanrw]

It's still waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay to early to level him against ATG...

I like how 1 or 2 top fights into a champs reing people quickly start listing him in mythical fights.

I like Pavlik but beating Miranda & JT is not enough for me to determine how he would do vs. ATG.

We still might not have seen Pavlik at his best, maybes there's more to him.

I was thinking the same thing. Until he does more, it is impossible to determine at what level he is at. He still seems to be evolving at this point, or at least showing us different views of what he can do.

Due to his physical size, you can say he is a stylistic nightmare to some of them, but what made them great was their ability to overcome stylistic nightmares.

[CutMeMick]

It's still waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay to early to level him against ATG...

I like how 1 or 2 top fights into a champs reing people quickly start listing him in mythical fights.

I like Pavlik but beating Miranda & JT is not enough for me to determine how he would do vs. ATG.

We still might not have seen Pavlik at his best, maybes there's more to him.

I was thinking the same thing. Until he does more, it is impossible to determine at what level he is at. He still seems to be evolving at this point, or at least showing us different views of what he can do.

Due to his physical size, you can say he is a stylistic nightmare to some of them, but what made them great was their ability to overcome stylistic nightmares.

Right on...

[Spicoli]

Sometimes you just have shake your head.I get caught up at times as much as the next guy in some hype....but Slooow down.Pavlik is an undeniable offensive power house hitting his stride.He is honing his all around skills off that power but in all honesty.....his straight forward power behind a descent jab ,at this point ,is what carries him through his fights.The Taylor fights were pure education 101 and much needed learning.He learned what NOT to do early on and that power brought him out with a top notch KO.The 2nd saw both fighters make adjustments,Taylor boxed well and kept it close Imo until Pavliks power and improved body work took a toll in the 11th with a great left to the ribs.I thought that round won him the fight.The man is learning and frankly has to add a few attributes to that proven offense before he upend's any of the past ATG's, Hagler,Toney,Hopkins,Monzon,Hearns,etc.In his last few fights,I flash back to the way Taylor was able to nearly control the tempo along the ropes in the 2nd fight ,he literally would walk Pavlik around at times and reset.Its all part of learning and Kelly is taking mental notes.Making adjustments....It's the name of the game,ecspecially when the times get rough.The man has fought past the 9th round ONCE, One time!!One thing at a time,He has to face a faded Atg next up in Hopkins and should have a complete loose leaf notebook and a sharp pencil very much at the ready .Ive warmed to this fight.