kelly pavlik against past middle and light heavyweights

[southakron314]

People always try this and it never holds water. How do you think Ruth and Cobb would do in todays baseball game. Or Nameth. They would get owned. Pavlik would beat Hearns, Manzon , McC and maybe Hagler. He would beat SRR and Lamatta. he would bury Harry Greb. He would have a tough time with Jones Jr. Hopkins in his prime , and Toney and he beats Calzaghe. PAVLIK HAS NOT EVEN HIT HIS PRIME YET. HE IS JUST GETTING INTO HIS PRIME.

I normally like you as a poster but you can't be serious ? how many fights have you seen of Carlos Monzon ? the man was a beast and arguably the best Middleweight of all time. He is similar to Kelly Pavlik style wise but he has the much better chin and i would say he is physically stronger than Kelly Pavlik aswell. And he would be forcing Kelly Pavlik on the backfoot and stop Pavlik late on.

Thomas Hearns has a suspect chin so Kelly Pavlik does have a chance, but i think its more likely Thomas Hearns lands his famous right hand. And lays out Kelly Pavlik inside of 3 rounds.

Marvin Hagler in his younger days was a great boxing/puncher, he could counter punch very well. But more importantly he was also very strong and his chin was out of this world. I think Marvin Hagler outboxes Kelly Pavlik and takes a decision or a late stoppage.

SRR ? you can't be serious he may be somewhat overrated at Middleweight, but he had excellent movement, great handspeed. And a granite chin he would lay out Kelly Pavlik inside of 8.

Jake Lamotta ? im not so sure of but Jake Lamotta did have a great chin and kept on coming, and was also physically very strong. But he did get hit too much for my liking but it would be a closely fought fight IMO.

RJJ ? just a tough time ? don't make me laugh Kelly Pavlik would get brutalized by a prime RJJ. RJJ is possibly one of the most talented fighters to have ever lived, and he was one of the quickest boxers P4P ever if not the quickest. Are you seriously trying to tell me this fight is even debatable ?

A young Bernard Hopkins is like Marvin Hagler in some ways, except i think he is a bit more of skilled pressure fighter than Marvin Hagler was. Plus a prime Bernard Hopkins has a great chin along with great boxing skills, and great workrate. He is far too skilled for Kelly Pavlik.

I would love to know how you think Kelly Pavlik beats Harry Greb, because there is no footage of Harry Greb not even one fight. So how can you judge this fight ?

James Toney vs Kelly Pavlik ? see James Toney vs Iran Barkley. Although Kelly Pavlik throws his punches straighter than Iran Barkey. Kelly Pavlik would still get countered all night long just like Iran Barkley did, who was a big strong powerful puncher like Kelly Pavlik was, and i see Kelly Pavlik getting a boxing lesson over 12 rounds.

Joe Calzaghe ? Pavlik would have a chance against Joe Calzaghe, because Joe Calzaghe can't seem to get away from straight right hands, but a prime Joe Calzaghe was faster and had much more power. It would be close but i feel Joe Calzaghe is a much better all round boxer and he would win a tough decision.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMA6Pd6tT3Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFItT...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IO2dT...eature=related
Wow I sure could . Ever hear of youtube? Its really cool.I dont the bandwagon of yesterdays golden oldie fighters. I think Pavlik could beat SRR , Greb , Monzon , Calzaghe , and McC . I do think Roy Jones in his prime beats him at 160 , So does a prime Hopkins and Toney. On the other hand he only needs one shot to hurt them. And sorry I think Miranda hits harder than Hearns who was a natural 147- 154. I think with the motor city cobras suspect chin Pavlik puts him out inside of 5. He and the other great from Brockton Mass will try to trade and who ever hits the hardest and lands the better shots wins. Pavlik has a reach like a 747. He is fukin huge for 160. He is 6'2.5. You are under rating him. He is great. He is not in his prime yet but by this time next year when he beats Joe Calzaghe by knockout and knocks out Abraham you will have a different opinion. I hope . I would like to see him step up and fight Dawson or Tarver next year. But who knows. He has the size and power.

[ICB]

People always try this and it never holds water. How do you think Ruth and Cobb would do in todays baseball game. Or Nameth. They would get owned. Pavlik would beat Hearns, Manzon , McC and maybe Hagler. He would beat SRR and Lamatta. he would bury Harry Greb. He would have a tough time with Jones Jr. Hopkins in his prime , and Toney and he beats Calzaghe. PAVLIK HAS NOT EVEN HIT HIS PRIME YET. HE IS JUST GETTING INTO HIS PRIME.

I normally like you as a poster but you can't be serious ? how many fights have you seen of Carlos Monzon ? the man was a beast and arguably the best Middleweight of all time. He is similar to Kelly Pavlik style wise but he has the much better chin and i would say he is physically stronger than Kelly Pavlik aswell. And he would be forcing Kelly Pavlik on the backfoot and stop Pavlik late on.

Thomas Hearns has a suspect chin so Kelly Pavlik does have a chance, but i think its more likely Thomas Hearns lands his famous right hand. And lays out Kelly Pavlik inside of 3 rounds.

Marvin Hagler in his younger days was a great boxing/puncher, he could counter punch very well. But more importantly he was also very strong and his chin was out of this world. I think Marvin Hagler outboxes Kelly Pavlik and takes a decision or a late stoppage.

SRR ? you can't be serious he may be somewhat overrated at Middleweight, but he had excellent movement, great handspeed. And a granite chin he would lay out Kelly Pavlik inside of 8.

Jake Lamotta ? im not so sure of but Jake Lamotta did have a great chin and kept on coming, and was also physically very strong. But he did get hit too much for my liking but it would be a closely fought fight IMO.

RJJ ? just a tough time ? don't make me laugh Kelly Pavlik would get brutalized by a prime RJJ. RJJ is possibly one of the most talented fighters to have ever lived, and he was one of the quickest boxers P4P ever if not the quickest. Are you seriously trying to tell me this fight is even debatable ?

A young Bernard Hopkins is like Marvin Hagler in some ways, except i think he is a bit more of skilled pressure fighter than Marvin Hagler was. Plus a prime Bernard Hopkins has a great chin along with great boxing skills, and great workrate. He is far too skilled for Kelly Pavlik.

I would love to know how you think Kelly Pavlik beats Harry Greb, because there is no footage of Harry Greb not even one fight. So how can you judge this fight ?

James Toney vs Kelly Pavlik ? see James Toney vs Iran Barkley. Although Kelly Pavlik throws his punches straighter than Iran Barkey. Kelly Pavlik would still get countered all night long just like Iran Barkley did, who was a big strong powerful puncher like Kelly Pavlik was, and i see Kelly Pavlik getting a boxing lesson over 12 rounds.

Joe Calzaghe ? Pavlik would have a chance against Joe Calzaghe, because Joe Calzaghe can't seem to get away from straight right hands, but a prime Joe Calzaghe was faster and had much more power. It would be close but i feel Joe Calzaghe is a much better all round boxer and he would win a tough decision.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMA6Pd6tT3Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFItT...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IO2dT...eature=related
Wow I sure could . Ever hear of youtube? Its really cool.I dont the bandwagon of yesterdays golden oldie fighters. I think Pavlik could beat SRR , Greb , Monzon , Calzaghe , and McC . I do think Roy Jones in his prime beats him at 160 , So does a prime Hopkins and Toney. On the other hand he only needs one shot to hurt them. And sorry I think Miranda hits harder than Hearns who was a natural 147- 154. I think with the motor city cobras suspect chin Pavlik puts him out inside of 5. He and the other great from Brockton Mass will try to trade and who ever hits the hardest and lands the better shots wins. Pavlik has a reach like a 747. He is fukin huge for 160. He is 6'2.5. You are under rating him. He is great. He is not in his prime yet but by this time next year when he beats Joe Calzaghe by knockout and knocks out Abraham you will have a different opinion. I hope . I would like to see him step up and fight Dawson or Tarver next year. But who knows. He has the size and power.

I said footage of him fighting not footage of him working out

I already know about that footage thats old news.

[ICB]

Edison Miranda hits harder than Thomas Hearns are you frigging kidding me ? wow you are a deluded Kelly Pavlik fan. I think you need reminding.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=woWSl5PBVAs

[southakron314]

Edison Miranda hits harder than Thomas Hearns are you frigging kidding me ? wow you are a deluded Kelly Pavlik fan. I think you need reminding.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=woWSl5PBVAs

Yes Miranda who is todays hardest hitting man at 168 hit6s harder than yesterdays man at 147. That like saying Enzo Macrinelli hits harder than Peter . Miranda punches alot harder than Hearns.

[southakron314]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HM4mps2QD8
But to the Monzon statement. Miranda is stronger than Pavlik and Pavlik pushed him around. Why could he do the same to Monzon who I think looks like Andrade. Same iron head. Both strong and both come at you in strait lines.

[southakron314]

Comparing yesterdays jocks to todays is not for argument. It is evident in every way that todays are much greater. They are stronger , faster , and much better conditioned.

[CFH]

Comparing yesterdays jocks to todays is not for argument. It is evident in every way that todays are much greater. They are stronger , faster , and much better conditioned.

You need to qualify those types of statements. What makes them stronger, faster, and better conditioned. Don't just say improved training etc. or use other sports as an example, explain them. I'd say nutrition, and styles/training may have improved/changed slightly, but not enough to make that much of a dramatic difference in boxing.

Also, if they have changed that much, wouldn't the fighters of the past, if fighting today (ie. a mythical match-up against Pavlik), have all those improved methods available to them?

[ICB]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HM4mps2QD8
But to the Monzon statement. Miranda is stronger than Pavlik and Pavlik pushed him around. Why could he do the same to Monzon who I think looks like Andrade. Same iron head. Both strong and both come at you in strait lines.

Because Carlos Monzon is a better boxer than Librado Andrade obviously, he uses his jab/good technical skills he punches very precise with good technqiue. I can't believe your actually comparing Librado Andrade. To one of the best Middleweights of all time are you serious ?

Carlos Monzon was only knocked down once in 100 fights when he was 35, of course he will but Kelly Pavlik on the backfoot. Exactly how many fights have you seen of Carlos Monzon ? because it doesn't sound like you have seen many if any.

[ICB]

Edison Miranda hits harder than Thomas Hearns are you frigging kidding me ? wow you are a deluded Kelly Pavlik fan. I think you need reminding.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=woWSl5PBVAs

Yes Miranda who is todays hardest hitting man at 168 hit6s harder than yesterdays man at 147. That like saying Enzo Macrinelli hits harder than Peter . Miranda punches alot harder than Hearns.

Thomas Hearns was naturally bigger than 147, thats why he moved all the way up to Cruiserweight. Thomas Hearns had more speed which generates power, better punching technique. And was just a much better boxer than Edison Miranda.

Your comparison's are ridiculous of course Samuel Peter who is 240+ pounds, hits harder than 190+ pounds Enzo Maccarinelli. But whats that got to do with Thomas Hearns and Edison Miranda

[DaxxKahn]

People always try this and it never holds water. How do you think Ruth and Cobb would do in todays baseball game. Or Nameth. They would get owned. Pavlik would beat Hearns, Manzon , McC and maybe Hagler. He would beat SRR and Lamatta. he would bury Harry Greb. He would have a tough time with Jones Jr. Hopkins in his prime , and Toney and he beats Calzaghe. PAVLIK HAS NOT EVEN HIT HIS PRIME YET. HE IS JUST GETTING INTO HIS PRIME.

I normally like you as a poster but you can't be serious ? how many fights have you seen of Carlos Monzon ? the man was a beast and arguably the best Middleweight of all time. He is similar to Kelly Pavlik style wise but he has the much better chin and i would say he is physically stronger than Kelly Pavlik aswell. And he would be forcing Kelly Pavlik on the backfoot and stop Pavlik late on.

Thomas Hearns has a suspect chin so Kelly Pavlik does have a chance, but i think its more likely Thomas Hearns lands his famous right hand. And lays out Kelly Pavlik inside of 3 rounds.

Marvin Hagler in his younger days was a great boxing/puncher, he could counter punch very well. But more importantly he was also very strong and his chin was out of this world. I think Marvin Hagler outboxes Kelly Pavlik and takes a decision or a late stoppage.

SRR ? you can't be serious he may be somewhat overrated at Middleweight, but he had excellent movement, great handspeed. And a granite chin he would lay out Kelly Pavlik inside of 8.

Jake Lamotta ? im not so sure of but Jake Lamotta did have a great chin and kept on coming, and was also physically very strong. But he did get hit too much for my liking but it would be a closely fought fight IMO.

RJJ ? just a tough time ? don't make me laugh Kelly Pavlik would get brutalized by a prime RJJ. RJJ is possibly one of the most talented fighters to have ever lived, and he was one of the quickest boxers P4P ever if not the quickest. Are you seriously trying to tell me this fight is even debatable ?

A young Bernard Hopkins is like Marvin Hagler in some ways, except i think he is a bit more of skilled pressure fighter than Marvin Hagler was. Plus a prime Bernard Hopkins has a great chin along with great boxing skills, and great workrate. He is far too skilled for Kelly Pavlik.

I would love to know how you think Kelly Pavlik beats Harry Greb, because there is no footage of Harry Greb not even one fight. So how can you judge this fight ?

James Toney vs Kelly Pavlik ? see James Toney vs Iran Barkley. Although Kelly Pavlik throws his punches straighter than Iran Barkey. Kelly Pavlik would still get countered all night long just like Iran Barkley did, who was a big strong powerful puncher like Kelly Pavlik was, and i see Kelly Pavlik getting a boxing lesson over 12 rounds.

Joe Calzaghe ? Pavlik would have a chance against Joe Calzaghe, because Joe Calzaghe can't seem to get away from straight right hands, but a prime Joe Calzaghe was faster and had much more power. It would be close but i feel Joe Calzaghe is a much better all round boxer and he would win a tough decision.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMA6Pd6tT3Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFItT...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IO2dT...eature=related
Wow I sure could . Ever hear of youtube? Its really cool.I dont the bandwagon of yesterdays golden oldie fighters. I think Pavlik could beat SRR , Greb , Monzon , Calzaghe , and McC . I do think Roy Jones in his prime beats him at 160 , So does a prime Hopkins and Toney. On the other hand he only needs one shot to hurt them. And sorry I think Miranda hits harder than Hearns who was a natural 147- 154. I think with the motor city cobras suspect chin Pavlik puts him out inside of 5. He and the other great from Brockton Mass will try to trade and who ever hits the hardest and lands the better shots wins. Pavlik has a reach like a 747. He is fukin huge for 160. He is 6'2.5. You are under rating him. He is great. He is not in his prime yet but by this time next year when he beats Joe Calzaghe by knockout and knocks out Abraham you will have a different opinion. I hope . I would like to see him step up and fight Dawson or Tarver next year. But who knows. He has the size and power.

Tommy had a longer reach then kelly does...Pavlik has only an inch and a hlf height advantage

[Deanrw]

Like I said earlier, it is way too early to rate Pavlik all time. Pavlik and Calzaghe are both undefeated, but that is all. Neither has had the fights where you can sit back and say WOW! Only time and facing consistant top competition will grant them true all time status.

Taylor was a decent win for Pavlik but showed in previous fights he was beatable. Hopkins is older and is beatable. They are building block wins, but Pav needs to go much further.

On that note he seems to have the willingness to take that road, which is commendable.

[Deanrw]

Tommy had a longer reach then kelly does...Pavlik has only an inch and a hlf height advantage

I don't think Tommy had longer arms than Pavlik, much of his reach total was due to the broadness of his shoulders, which were formidable BTW.

As for Pavlik vs Tommy. Tommy was one of those guys who would get to you quickly, and if not you then had your shot. It is a crapshoot with him. He had good boxing skills but only used them when forced to, usually when he was tired, losing and it was simply too late. He depended on that right hand and it usually got the job done.

[DaxxKahn]

Tommy had a longer reach then kelly does...Pavlik has only an inch and a hlf height advantage

I don't think Tommy had longer arms than Pavlik, much of his reach total was due to the broadness of his shoulders, which were formidable BTW.

As for Pavlik vs Tommy. Tommy was one of those guys who would get to you quickly, and if not you then had your shot. It is a crapshoot with him. He had good boxing skills but only used them when forced to, usually when he was tired, losing and it was simply too late. He depended on that right hand and it usually got the job done.

Reach is reach mate....use it properly and you have the advantage