kelly pavlik against past middle and light heavyweights

[southakron314]

You need to qualify those types of statements. What makes them stronger, faster, and better conditioned. Don't just say improved training etc. or use other sports as an example, explain them. I'd say nutrition, and styles/training may have improved/changed slightly, but not enough to make that much of a dramatic difference in boxing.

Also, if they have changed that much, wouldn't the fighters of the past, if fighting today (ie. a mythical match-up against Pavlik), have all those improved methods available to them?

Lets compare Usain Bolt and Jesse Owens. Or Jim Brown and Adrian Peterson. Or how about Roger Clemens to Cy Young. The where great in their time but today would be owned. Jesse Owens was great so was Jim Thorpe but by todays standards they would be good in their sport not considered a ledgend against the compitition of today is so much great in every aspect and to deny that fact shows total ignorance . If athletes yesterday where so much better why are the record books always being rewrote every year or 4 years.

What part of qualify it without using other sports as an example do you not understand?

I'll say it again, if Pavlik fought SRR (or any of the other fighters you mentioned) they would both have the same training conditioning methods available to them. So, aside from the fact that you think he has pretty eyes, what about Pavlik's skills makes you think he could beat those ATG fighters?

Well go find doc flying Delorean. You are the biggest douche bag ever born. This is a comparision not a fantasy if they trained and fought today the same way. We are comparing . I feel at 160 Pavlik would own a SRR the same stlye 60 years ago. This is a dumb thread . Why would you assume if they trained and fought in modern day. i am comparing time and styles. Not a world of warcraft fantasy what if time warp thing that you are doing. Did you ever box or wrestle , play football , baseball or anything. I did all of those. I am comparing.Thats like saying how would Bill Walton do one on one with Lebron James or Babe Ruth trying to hit off of Cliff Lee. Things are better these days athletes included. If Jesse Owens had todays shoes and tracks Usian Bolt would still smoke him.

[CFH]

And thanks for the negative rep. Like I care. You still cant figure out todays athletes are better than yesterdays.

Well, you obviously do care. I never said today's athletes were not better than todays, but boxing is a different story. Explain why they are better today.

Better training , better nutrition , better weight training , Better diets and supplements , better sparring partners , better trainers, They have this neat thing called film and tape to look at. Are you that fukin stupid that your ass cant figure that out. All you are is just a bully trying to compensate for the hard life that you never had and street education that you never got in the rough streets of british columbia "A".

Education "A" (LMAO @ A)? Education is clearly something which has eluded you. You're right though, I'm quite the bully, attempting to have a rational debate and all...

How is training better? I acknowledged that nutrition may have improved, but like Daxx said, "You can only move around a 20X20 ring so fast regardless of training methods....muscles and supplements do not make you hit harder..." Tape existed in the 1950's as well...

I'll try to ignore how ironic it is of someone who lives in fucking Ohio trying to deride one of the internationally acknowledged best places on earth to live.

Between the two of us, I'm clearly the stupid one.

No. What I am saying is todays athletes are way better than 30 -70 years ago. But you have so much crap in your brains you cant wrap you little mind around it. Todays athletes are way better. Sorry I think Pavlik would beat the crap out of any middle weight of 1960 prior. SRR included.

I'll ask you again, explain why. Without using other sports as an example. Why would Pavlik beat Monzon/SRR etc? what skills does he have that would allow him to do so? What specifically makes fighters who competed prior to 1960 worse than fighters today? You can't explain why because you're nothing more than a fanboy.

Who is that fruit cup on your avatar anyway?

Jello Biafra.

Lets compare Usain Bolt and Jesse Owens. Or Jim Brown and Adrian Peterson. Or how about Roger Clemens to Cy Young. The where great in their time but today would be owned. Jesse Owens was great so was Jim Thorpe but by todays standards they would be good in their sport not considered a ledgend against the compitition of today is so much great in every aspect and to deny that fact shows total ignorance . If athletes yesterday where so much better why are the record books always being rewrote every year or 4 years.

What part of qualify it without using other sports as an example do you not understand?

I'll say it again, if Pavlik fought SRR (or any of the other fighters you mentioned) they would both have the same training conditioning methods available to them. So, aside from the fact that you think he has pretty eyes, what about Pavlik's skills makes you think he could beat those ATG fighters?

Well go find doc flying Delorean. You are the biggest douche bag ever born. This is a comparision not a fantasy if they trained and fought today the same way. We are comparing . I feel at 160 Pavlik would own a SRR the same stlye 60 years ago. This is a dumb thread . Why would you assume if they trained and fought in modern day. i am comparing time and styles. Not a world of warcraft fantasy what if time warp thing that you are doing. Did you ever box or wrestle , play football , baseball or anything. I did all of those. I am comparing.Thats like saying how would Bill Walton do one on one with Lebron James or Babe Ruth trying to hit off of Cliff Lee. Things are better these days athletes included. If Jesse Owens had todays shoes and tracks Usian Bolt would still smoke him.

I have boxed a bit, nothing serious. As for wrestling, I have no desire to get oiled up and mount a sweaty man, but if that's your thing by all means go for it.

Again, for the fourth time, I said to explain it without using other sports as an example, they are not relevant to boxing.

How are Pavlik's SKILLS superior to those of any of the fighters you mentioned?

[southakron314]

Well, you obviously do care. I never said today's athletes were not better than todays, but boxing is a different story. Explain why they are better today.

Better training , better nutrition , better weight training , Better diets and supplements , better sparring partners , better trainers, They have this neat thing called film and tape to look at. Are you that fukin stupid that your ass cant figure that out. All you are is just a bully trying to compensate for the hard life that you never had and street education that you never got in the rough streets of british columbia "A".

Education "A" (LMAO @ A)? Education is clearly something which has eluded you. You're right though, I'm quite the bully, attempting to have a rational debate and all...

How is training better? I acknowledged that nutrition may have improved, but like Daxx said, "You can only move around a 20X20 ring so fast regardless of training methods....muscles and supplements do not make you hit harder..." Tape existed in the 1950's as well...

I'll try to ignore how ironic it is of someone who lives in fucking Ohio trying to deride one of the internationally acknowledged best places on earth to live.

Between the two of us, I'm clearly the stupid one.



Jello Biafra.

What part of qualify it without using other sports as an example do you not understand?

I'll say it again, if Pavlik fought SRR (or any of the other fighters you mentioned) they would both have the same training conditioning methods available to them. So, aside from the fact that you think he has pretty eyes, what about Pavlik's skills makes you think he could beat those ATG fighters?

Well go find doc flying Delorean. You are the biggest douche bag ever born. This is a comparision not a fantasy if they trained and fought today the same way. We are comparing . I feel at 160 Pavlik would own a SRR the same stlye 60 years ago. This is a dumb thread . Why would you assume if they trained and fought in modern day. i am comparing time and styles. Not a world of warcraft fantasy what if time warp thing that you are doing. Did you ever box or wrestle , play football , baseball or anything. I did all of those. I am comparing.Thats like saying how would Bill Walton do one on one with Lebron James or Babe Ruth trying to hit off of Cliff Lee. Things are better these days athletes included. If Jesse Owens had todays shoes and tracks Usian Bolt would still smoke him.

I have boxed a bit, nothing serious. As for wrestling, I have no desire to get oiled up and mount a sweaty man, but if that's your thing by all means go for it.

Again, for the fourth time, I said to explain it without using other sports as an example, they are not relevant to boxing.

How are Pavlik's SKILLS superior to those of any of the fighters you mentioned?

Pavlik at 160 I will always give him a punchers chance. I think one of the only old schoolers that would beat him id Hagler. I feel he would destroy SRR. Another thing other sports have athlete like boxing in which today are better and better every year. Film today can be broken down way better than 7mm reel to reel. It makes sense.

[CFH]

Better training , better nutrition , better weight training , Better diets and supplements , better sparring partners , better trainers, They have this neat thing called film and tape to look at. Are you that fukin stupid that your ass cant figure that out. All you are is just a bully trying to compensate for the hard life that you never had and street education that you never got in the rough streets of british columbia "A".

Education "A" (LMAO @ A)? Education is clearly something which has eluded you. You're right though, I'm quite the bully, attempting to have a rational debate and all...

How is training better? I acknowledged that nutrition may have improved, but like Daxx said, "You can only move around a 20X20 ring so fast regardless of training methods....muscles and supplements do not make you hit harder..." Tape existed in the 1950's as well...

I'll try to ignore how ironic it is of someone who lives in fucking Ohio trying to deride one of the internationally acknowledged best places on earth to live.

Between the two of us, I'm clearly the stupid one.



Jello Biafra.

Well go find doc flying Delorean. You are the biggest douche bag ever born. This is a comparision not a fantasy if they trained and fought today the same way. We are comparing . I feel at 160 Pavlik would own a SRR the same stlye 60 years ago. This is a dumb thread . Why would you assume if they trained and fought in modern day. i am comparing time and styles. Not a world of warcraft fantasy what if time warp thing that you are doing. Did you ever box or wrestle , play football , baseball or anything. I did all of those. I am comparing.Thats like saying how would Bill Walton do one on one with Lebron James or Babe Ruth trying to hit off of Cliff Lee. Things are better these days athletes included. If Jesse Owens had todays shoes and tracks Usian Bolt would still smoke him.

I have boxed a bit, nothing serious. As for wrestling, I have no desire to get oiled up and mount a sweaty man, but if that's your thing by all means go for it.

Again, for the fourth time, I said to explain it without using other sports as an example, they are not relevant to boxing.

How are Pavlik's SKILLS superior to those of any of the fighters you mentioned?

Pavlik at 160 I will always give him a punchers chance. I think one of the only old schoolers that would beat him id Hagler. I feel he would destroy SRR. Another thing other sports have athlete like boxing in which today are better and better every year. Film today can be broken down way better than 7mm reel to reel. It makes sense.

All Pavlik would have against any of the fighters you named is a punchers chance, and he's more of a accumulative puncher than a one-punch artist.

This is going nowhere, so I'm done with it. But please keep sending me PM's telling me what a moron I am and making fun of Canada (as if that would somehow offend me), I'm enjoying them.

[leftylee]

Well, you obviously do care. I never said today's athletes were not better than todays, but boxing is a different story. Explain why they are better today.

Better training , better nutrition , better weight training , Better diets and supplements , better sparring partners , better trainers, They have this neat thing called film and tape to look at. Are you that fukin stupid that your ass cant figure that out. All you are is just a bully trying to compensate for the hard life that you never had and street education that you never got in the rough streets of british columbia "A".

Education "A" (LMAO @ A)? Education is clearly something which has eluded you. You're right though, I'm quite the bully, attempting to have a rational debate and all...

How is training better? I acknowledged that nutrition may have improved, but like Daxx said, "You can only move around a 20X20 ring so fast regardless of training methods....muscles and supplements do not make you hit harder..." Tape existed in the 1950's as well...

I'll try to ignore how ironic it is of someone who lives in fucking Ohio trying to deride one of the internationally acknowledged best places on earth to live.

Between the two of us, I'm clearly the stupid one.



Jello Biafra.

What part of qualify it without using other sports as an example do you not understand?

I'll say it again, if Pavlik fought SRR (or any of the other fighters you mentioned) they would both have the same training conditioning methods available to them. So, aside from the fact that you think he has pretty eyes, what about Pavlik's skills makes you think he could beat those ATG fighters?

Well go find doc flying Delorean. You are the biggest douche bag ever born. This is a comparision not a fantasy if they trained and fought today the same way. We are comparing . I feel at 160 Pavlik would own a SRR the same stlye 60 years ago. This is a dumb thread . Why would you assume if they trained and fought in modern day. i am comparing time and styles. Not a world of warcraft fantasy what if time warp thing that you are doing. Did you ever box or wrestle , play football , baseball or anything. I did all of those. I am comparing.Thats like saying how would Bill Walton do one on one with Lebron James or Babe Ruth trying to hit off of Cliff Lee. Things are better these days athletes included. If Jesse Owens had todays shoes and tracks Usian Bolt would still smoke him.

I have boxed a bit, nothing serious. As for wrestling, I have no desire to get oiled up and mount a sweaty man, but if that's your thing by all means go for it.

Again, for the fourth time, I said to explain it without using other sports as an example, they are not relevant to boxing.

How are Pavlik's SKILLS superior to those of any of the fighters you mentioned?

CFH you just owned him big time.

[El Kabong]

People are bigger and maybe even stronger these days due to better healthcare and nutrition etc HOWEVER if we hold such fights in the vaccume of time and space just based on skill and results from both fighters respective eras we will see that Pavlik would lose his fair share of fights vs the past greats.



And my FAVORITE question to people who think today's fighters are so much bigger and stronger is "Who would beat Ali?"....Lennox, Bowe, Wlad, Vitali ? All bigger and stronger than a prime Ali.....oh but all of a sudden the arguement changes doesn't it? Either Ali was just faaaaar too talented or someone would just belittle all the other fighters I just mentioned.

[CFH]

Better training , better nutrition , better weight training , Better diets and supplements , better sparring partners , better trainers, They have this neat thing called film and tape to look at. Are you that fukin stupid that your ass cant figure that out. All you are is just a bully trying to compensate for the hard life that you never had and street education that you never got in the rough streets of british columbia "A".

Education "A" (LMAO @ A)? Education is clearly something which has eluded you. You're right though, I'm quite the bully, attempting to have a rational debate and all...

How is training better? I acknowledged that nutrition may have improved, but like Daxx said, "You can only move around a 20X20 ring so fast regardless of training methods....muscles and supplements do not make you hit harder..." Tape existed in the 1950's as well...

I'll try to ignore how ironic it is of someone who lives in fucking Ohio trying to deride one of the internationally acknowledged best places on earth to live.

Between the two of us, I'm clearly the stupid one.



Jello Biafra.

Well go find doc flying Delorean. You are the biggest douche bag ever born. This is a comparision not a fantasy if they trained and fought today the same way. We are comparing . I feel at 160 Pavlik would own a SRR the same stlye 60 years ago. This is a dumb thread . Why would you assume if they trained and fought in modern day. i am comparing time and styles. Not a world of warcraft fantasy what if time warp thing that you are doing. Did you ever box or wrestle , play football , baseball or anything. I did all of those. I am comparing.Thats like saying how would Bill Walton do one on one with Lebron James or Babe Ruth trying to hit off of Cliff Lee. Things are better these days athletes included. If Jesse Owens had todays shoes and tracks Usian Bolt would still smoke him.

I have boxed a bit, nothing serious. As for wrestling, I have no desire to get oiled up and mount a sweaty man, but if that's your thing by all means go for it.

Again, for the fourth time, I said to explain it without using other sports as an example, they are not relevant to boxing.

How are Pavlik's SKILLS superior to those of any of the fighters you mentioned?

CFH you just owned him big time.

It wasn't hard, the guy's nothing but a racist dipshit. You should see some of the stuff he PM'd me.