Who beats Chad Dawson?

[ICB]

I think both kessler and pavlik are fights that could/will happen and both would give him serious serious trouble. Real tough fights, he struggled with johnson who is nothing more than a journey man. I'll give him leway on the fact that maybe he let his game dip because he was fighting a journeyman.

He done superb against Tarver. nothing really wrong, but when you are fighting a guy who just stood there and covered up every fucking punch you throw it is EASY to look good! Yes you have to give a lot of credit to Dawson for forcing Tarver on the back foot and out working him. But after a few rounds it was clear that every single punch Chad threw Tarver was going to try and block it and nothing more. No counters, no trying to slip anythign and make him miss. Simple hands up take half the punches then move. Fucking useless.

With all this said and done tho, this wasn't as impressive or as good as the beat down Hopkins give Tarver either. I think people are forgeting that and are getting to carried away like usual when someone puts on a good show.

I think its disrespectful to Glen Johnson to call him a journeyman, he has only ever really been beat convincingly by Antonio Tarver in there 2nd fight. And Bernard Hopkins, every other fight he had is debatable. I think just he has been unlucky with the judges, his record should look luck much better than it really is.

[Taeth]

I don't know what the hell your talking about Preme. Dawson speed made Tarver cover up because he couldn't deal with it, I think Roy's biggest flaw was that he was too gunshy against Tarver or he would have destroyed Antonio. That being said Johnson is a great fighter, he went undefeated for a long part of his career, then he lost to Bernard(in his prime) which there is no shame in, then he lost bad decisions and fights he didn't really try in, and after that he started winning again and became what he is now. He's quicker than Pavlik, and he has a much better chin then Pavlik, and he is just as relentless.

While Johnson surivived what Dawson threw at him those first two rounds, how can Pavlik? Dawson hits harder hten anyone besides Miranda that he fought, but Dawson would be landing flush punches, and it wouldn't be like Taylor, Dawson hits much harder then Taylor, He is quite a bit faster then Taylor, and he puts punches together.

Like I said Johnson isn't just a journeyman with a good chin, he has good quickness, he is one of the most accurate inside punchers, he is a lot harder to hit then people give him credit for.

Johnson would knock Pavlik out.

[Spicoli]

I have to tell you,Call it jumping on a band wagon or call it finally recognizing a good thing when you see it But I'm sold and quite the convert.Up until Sat. Night,I had some reservations concerning Dawson.....Mainly his habit of easing off and coasting when things are going his way.Prior to the Tarver fight he came off abit dismissive and a little to Aloof Imo.Once it began he displayed his true potential and maturing skillset against a still capable and experienced Tarver....The hand speed and clear game plan was obvious right off the bat.He repeatedly dictated pace with top notch punch selection,beating Tarver to the punch and moving as he wished to again reset.By the midway point,Tarver was reduced to almost flailing in hopes of a KO punch and looked discouraged & tired.Dawson controlled the ring and made a huge jump into the big time.

The flaw I see is as mentioned,The coasting....ecspecially late.A small part of me expects him to get badly clipped for a count if he does not tighten this up and he seems to be making major improvements.Adameck touched him,Johnson,even Tarver had a brief last surge in the 12th.Non the less,what impressed me the most over his last few was that he answered a key question that any young gun coming up fast has to be asked that set's them apart from the also rans in they're respected division.He went through a serious acid test against Johnson and had some hellacious adversity.He made adjustments and dug down....ugly in spots but he did not fold up.The decision frankly can be hotly contested,Johnson did what he always has done against the odds......he fought his ass off!!!I know I'm going back wards here but that fight might just prove to be one of the most,if not the most valuable fights in his current and future career.I think he righted the ship against Tarver....I realize Tarver is pushing 40 but Dawson looked sharp and is a major player.I have no idea he will face next,Calzaghe is booked with Jones,I dont know why an inactive Taylor keeps popping up lately,but maybe off a spectacular (??) win vs.Lacy he jumps up & would like a go,nice style clash Imo.A Johnson rematch would speak volumes.I'm watching!!

[Mr140]

Teath think you overrating Chad just as much as people overrate Pavlik to tell you the truth you say Pavlik is lucky in his divsion well so is Chad. Say things about Pavliks chin but besides that one time with Taylor it has not happen again in the rematch he did not hurt Pavlik did he. As for Chad he has showed to be chinny in more fights then Pavlik he lost to Johnson he is like what 40 years of age and then beats Taver at 39 and people are surprised i think you give Chad to much credit for a win when old Bernard did a way worse job on Taver then Chad did and thats the Bernard that was beat by Taylor so it is not like he was in prime or anything. Lets not forget all the time Chad has been rocked which is alot more then Pavlik. Chad has bad habit of going to the ropes and taking rounds off and if he does that gives Pavlik a great chance of hurting him and Chad loses focas alot which is not that great of thing to be doing at this level. As for what you been saying about Kessler on other threads he was hurt by Calzaghe enough said he is lucky the ref held Calzaghe back or he would been down and who knows maybe even stoped not to mention the competion he has been facing latly which is just a joke if you ask me not even jourymen. If Kessler fights Pavlik and Pavlik goes to the body he while knock Kessler out i dont think much of him not saying Pavlik a god but neither is Chad or Kessler so i dont think there while be any out classing as you say.

[SaltyBacon]

fight with tavoris cloud would be great but there are the big guys

but there are some others maybe lucian bute, adrian diaconu, mikkel kessler

if jermain taylor or arthur abraham ever make up to 175 imo they all those fight will be enertaing

but the way he look against tarver he beat most of them

[Taeth]

Teath think you overrating Chad just as much as people overrate Pavlik to tell you the truth you say Pavlik is lucky in his divsion well so is Chad. Say things about Pavliks chin but besides that one time with Taylor it has not happen again in the rematch he did not hurt Pavlik did he. As for Chad he has showed to be chinny in more fights then Pavlik he lost to Johnson he is like what 40 years of age and then beats Taver at 39 and people are surprised i think you give Chad to much credit for a win when old Bernard did a way worse job on Taver then Chad did and thats the Bernard that was beat by Taylor so it is not like he was in prime or anything. Lets not forget all the time Chad has been rocked which is alot more then Pavlik. Chad has bad habit of going to the ropes and taking rounds off and if he does that gives Pavlik a great chance of hurting him and Chad loses focas alot which is not that great of thing to be doing at this level. As for what you been saying about Kessler on other threads he was hurt by Calzaghe enough said he is lucky the ref held Calzaghe back or he would been down and who knows maybe even stoped not to mention the competion he has been facing latly which is just a joke if you ask me not even jourymen. If Kessler fights Pavlik and Pavlik goes to the body he while knock Kessler out i dont think much of him not saying Pavlik a god but neither is Chad or Kessler so i dont think there while be any out classing as you say.

I am not saying Chad is the best fighter in the world, I agree that I think he is a weak division hence the reason why I don't think anyone would beat him, this isn't the same scenario as why I don't think any welterweight would be Floyd Mayweather, this is Chad is a very good fighter, but in a situation where there are very many fighters of top caliber left.

I don't know what you are trying to prove here about Pavlik, Calzaghe was way faster then Pavlik and a way better boxer, if he, Kelly, tried to box with Kessler he would be picked apart, and because of his lack of speed he wouldn't be able to land anything, if he tried to push Kessler back, he would eat heavy jabs and counters all night long. Pavlik's chin is as questionable as Dawson's who has been dropped, but only really hurt by Glen Johnson 15 pounds north of the middleweight division. Once again just like in the Adamek fight Dawson would overwhelm Pavlik with speed, he wear Pavlik down with his body attack.

Also Dawson's performance against Tarver was as impressive as Bernard's, he won as many rounds, he put on a better offensive show, but not quite as impressive of a defensive show.

It would be like Barrera or JMM against Juarez who is a skilled fighter coming forwad, but when you face somebody with movement and great technique everything falls to shit unless you have speed or a more physical style.

The only credible opponent Pavlik has beaten impressively is Taylor, and thats becuase Taylor exhausted himself when he had Pavlik badly compromised. Their second fight was pretty even, I thought Bernard beat Taylor more impressive in their first fight, I thought Winky beat Taylor by a larger margin in their fight. Taylor was a the perfect opponent for PAvlik, a guy without a good snap in his punches, a guy who had absolutely horrible defensive skills going backwards.

[kingfrnk]

Teath think you overrating Chad just as much as people overrate Pavlik to tell you the truth you say Pavlik is lucky in his divsion well so is Chad. Say things about Pavliks chin but besides that one time with Taylor it has not happen again in the rematch he did not hurt Pavlik did he. As for Chad he has showed to be chinny in more fights then Pavlik he lost to Johnson he is like what 40 years of age and then beats Taver at 39 and people are surprised i think you give Chad to much credit for a win when old Bernard did a way worse job on Taver then Chad did and thats the Bernard that was beat by Taylor so it is not like he was in prime or anything. Lets not forget all the time Chad has been rocked which is alot more then Pavlik. Chad has bad habit of going to the ropes and taking rounds off and if he does that gives Pavlik a great chance of hurting him and Chad loses focas alot which is not that great of thing to be doing at this level. As for what you been saying about Kessler on other threads he was hurt by Calzaghe enough said he is lucky the ref held Calzaghe back or he would been down and who knows maybe even stoped not to mention the competion he has been facing latly which is just a joke if you ask me not even jourymen. If Kessler fights Pavlik and Pavlik goes to the body he while knock Kessler out i dont think much of him not saying Pavlik a god but neither is Chad or Kessler so i dont think there while be any out classing as you say.

I am not saying Chad is the best fighter in the world, I agree that I think he is a weak division hence the reason why I don't think anyone would beat him, this isn't the same scenario as why I don't think any welterweight would be Floyd Mayweather, this is Chad is a very good fighter, but in a situation where there are very many fighters of top caliber left.

I don't know what you are trying to prove here about Pavlik, Calzaghe was way faster then Pavlik and a way better boxer, if he, Kelly, tried to box with Kessler he would be picked apart, and because of his lack of speed he wouldn't be able to land anything, if he tried to push Kessler back, he would eat heavy jabs and counters all night long. Pavlik's chin is as questionable as Dawson's who has been dropped, but only really hurt by Glen Johnson 15 pounds north of the middleweight division. Once again just like in the Adamek fight Dawson would overwhelm Pavlik with speed, he wear Pavlik down with his body attack.

Also Dawson's performance against Tarver was as impressive as Bernard's, he won as many rounds, he put on a better offensive show, but not quite as impressive of a defensive show.

It would be like Barrera or JMM against Juarez who is a skilled fighter coming forwad, but when you face somebody with movement and great technique everything falls to shit unless you have speed or a more physical style.

The only credible opponent Pavlik has beaten impressively is Taylor, and thats becuase Taylor exhausted himself when he had Pavlik badly compromised. Their second fight was pretty even, I thought Bernard beat Taylor more impressive in their first fight, I thought Winky beat Taylor by a larger margin in their fight. Taylor was a the perfect opponent for PAvlik, a guy without a good snap in his punches, a guy who had absolutely horrible defensive skills going backwards.

taeth u are stupid if u think bernard lost to taylor the first time was better than kellys victory over taylor the second time. idiot

[Taeth]

Teath think you overrating Chad just as much as people overrate Pavlik to tell you the truth you say Pavlik is lucky in his divsion well so is Chad. Say things about Pavliks chin but besides that one time with Taylor it has not happen again in the rematch he did not hurt Pavlik did he. As for Chad he has showed to be chinny in more fights then Pavlik he lost to Johnson he is like what 40 years of age and then beats Taver at 39 and people are surprised i think you give Chad to much credit for a win when old Bernard did a way worse job on Taver then Chad did and thats the Bernard that was beat by Taylor so it is not like he was in prime or anything. Lets not forget all the time Chad has been rocked which is alot more then Pavlik. Chad has bad habit of going to the ropes and taking rounds off and if he does that gives Pavlik a great chance of hurting him and Chad loses focas alot which is not that great of thing to be doing at this level. As for what you been saying about Kessler on other threads he was hurt by Calzaghe enough said he is lucky the ref held Calzaghe back or he would been down and who knows maybe even stoped not to mention the competion he has been facing latly which is just a joke if you ask me not even jourymen. If Kessler fights Pavlik and Pavlik goes to the body he while knock Kessler out i dont think much of him not saying Pavlik a god but neither is Chad or Kessler so i dont think there while be any out classing as you say.

I am not saying Chad is the best fighter in the world, I agree that I think he is a weak division hence the reason why I don't think anyone would beat him, this isn't the same scenario as why I don't think any welterweight would be Floyd Mayweather, this is Chad is a very good fighter, but in a situation where there are very many fighters of top caliber left.

I don't know what you are trying to prove here about Pavlik, Calzaghe was way faster then Pavlik and a way better boxer, if he, Kelly, tried to box with Kessler he would be picked apart, and because of his lack of speed he wouldn't be able to land anything, if he tried to push Kessler back, he would eat heavy jabs and counters all night long. Pavlik's chin is as questionable as Dawson's who has been dropped, but only really hurt by Glen Johnson 15 pounds north of the middleweight division. Once again just like in the Adamek fight Dawson would overwhelm Pavlik with speed, he wear Pavlik down with his body attack.

Also Dawson's performance against Tarver was as impressive as Bernard's, he won as many rounds, he put on a better offensive show, but not quite as impressive of a defensive show.

It would be like Barrera or JMM against Juarez who is a skilled fighter coming forwad, but when you face somebody with movement and great technique everything falls to shit unless you have speed or a more physical style.

The only credible opponent Pavlik has beaten impressively is Taylor, and thats becuase Taylor exhausted himself when he had Pavlik badly compromised. Their second fight was pretty even, I thought Bernard beat Taylor more impressive in their first fight, I thought Winky beat Taylor by a larger margin in their fight. Taylor was a the perfect opponent for PAvlik, a guy without a good snap in his punches, a guy who had absolutely horrible defensive skills going backwards.

taeth u are stupid if u think bernard lost to taylor the first time was better than kellys victory over taylor the second time. idiot

Your the idiot, Hopkins was coutnering effectively, he hurt Taylor more near the end then Kelly ever did in their second fight. Taylor wasn't able to use the jab, Bernard put on a defensive show along with showcasing the right hand. Pavlik got hit a lot, he landed alot, but I liked what Hopkins did more. All in all they both won close fights IMO against Taylor, but Cory Spinks and Winky Wright beat Taylor emphatically IMO.

[kingfrnk]

I am not saying Chad is the best fighter in the world, I agree that I think he is a weak division hence the reason why I don't think anyone would beat him, this isn't the same scenario as why I don't think any welterweight would be Floyd Mayweather, this is Chad is a very good fighter, but in a situation where there are very many fighters of top caliber left.

I don't know what you are trying to prove here about Pavlik, Calzaghe was way faster then Pavlik and a way better boxer, if he, Kelly, tried to box with Kessler he would be picked apart, and because of his lack of speed he wouldn't be able to land anything, if he tried to push Kessler back, he would eat heavy jabs and counters all night long. Pavlik's chin is as questionable as Dawson's who has been dropped, but only really hurt by Glen Johnson 15 pounds north of the middleweight division. Once again just like in the Adamek fight Dawson would overwhelm Pavlik with speed, he wear Pavlik down with his body attack.

Also Dawson's performance against Tarver was as impressive as Bernard's, he won as many rounds, he put on a better offensive show, but not quite as impressive of a defensive show.

It would be like Barrera or JMM against Juarez who is a skilled fighter coming forwad, but when you face somebody with movement and great technique everything falls to shit unless you have speed or a more physical style.

The only credible opponent Pavlik has beaten impressively is Taylor, and thats becuase Taylor exhausted himself when he had Pavlik badly compromised. Their second fight was pretty even, I thought Bernard beat Taylor more impressive in their first fight, I thought Winky beat Taylor by a larger margin in their fight. Taylor was a the perfect opponent for PAvlik, a guy without a good snap in his punches, a guy who had absolutely horrible defensive skills going backwards.

taeth u are stupid if u think bernard lost to taylor the first time was better than kellys victory over taylor the second time. idiot

Your the idiot, Hopkins was coutnering effectively, he hurt Taylor more near the end then Kelly ever did in their second fight. Taylor wasn't able to use the jab, Bernard put on a defensive show along with showcasing the right hand. Pavlik got hit a lot, he landed alot, but I liked what Hopkins did more. All in all they both won close fights IMO against Taylor, but Cory Spinks and Winky Wright beat Taylor emphatically IMO.

your the dumbass if u think hopkins only fighting 4-5 rounds was better than kelly fighting all 12 rounds in the rematch. i think u only watch one fighter instead of both when u watch fights.

[Kev]

I am not saying Chad is the best fighter in the world, I agree that I think he is a weak division hence the reason why I don't think anyone would beat him, this isn't the same scenario as why I don't think any welterweight would be Floyd Mayweather, this is Chad is a very good fighter, but in a situation where there are very many fighters of top caliber left.

I don't know what you are trying to prove here about Pavlik, Calzaghe was way faster then Pavlik and a way better boxer, if he, Kelly, tried to box with Kessler he would be picked apart, and because of his lack of speed he wouldn't be able to land anything, if he tried to push Kessler back, he would eat heavy jabs and counters all night long. Pavlik's chin is as questionable as Dawson's who has been dropped, but only really hurt by Glen Johnson 15 pounds north of the middleweight division. Once again just like in the Adamek fight Dawson would overwhelm Pavlik with speed, he wear Pavlik down with his body attack.

Also Dawson's performance against Tarver was as impressive as Bernard's, he won as many rounds, he put on a better offensive show, but not quite as impressive of a defensive show.

It would be like Barrera or JMM against Juarez who is a skilled fighter coming forwad, but when you face somebody with movement and great technique everything falls to shit unless you have speed or a more physical style.

The only credible opponent Pavlik has beaten impressively is Taylor, and thats becuase Taylor exhausted himself when he had Pavlik badly compromised. Their second fight was pretty even, I thought Bernard beat Taylor more impressive in their first fight, I thought Winky beat Taylor by a larger margin in their fight. Taylor was a the perfect opponent for PAvlik, a guy without a good snap in his punches, a guy who had absolutely horrible defensive skills going backwards.

taeth u are stupid if u think bernard lost to taylor the first time was better than kellys victory over taylor the second time. idiot

Your the idiot, Hopkins was coutnering effectively, he hurt Taylor more near the end then Kelly ever did in their second fight. Taylor wasn't able to use the jab, Bernard put on a defensive show along with showcasing the right hand. Pavlik got hit a lot, he landed alot, but I liked what Hopkins did more. All in all they both won close fights IMO against Taylor, but Cory Spinks and Winky Wright beat Taylor emphatically IMO.

Yeah he really laid a smackdown on him

You're postings and fight analysis are truly awful Taeth, truly truly awful

[The Fightfan]

If Hopkin's somehow get's out of the fight with Pavlik ok. He will probably challenge Dawson. NOt really but it always seems that old man get's all the young bucs. From the Tarver fight it seems Dawson is the real deal I don't really think he will be tested unless he moves up to Cruiserweight and tries to get a rematch with Adamek. That would be a worthy rematch being as Adamek seems to be on a roll again.

[awdleyfuturehalloffamer]

It's either my eyes or Dawson has some serious speedy combinations.

[Mar]

.....i don't know but it sure as hell ain't tarver, we wore out the tape watching that shit over and over this weekend, i cried a whole lot less when the broncos lost also.....thanks chad !!!!!

[Hume]

pavlik would beat chad with easy as it stands today and for all the reasons already mentioned. pavlik will win vs b-hop, anyone trying to give the impression it will be close, is lying. if b-hop were 5 years younger it would be a close affair, but he's not and it won't.

[Taeth]

pavlik would beat chad with easy as it stands today and for all the reasons already mentioned. pavlik will win vs b-hop, anyone trying to give the impression it will be close, is lying. if b-hop were 5 years younger it would be a close affair, but he's not and it won't.

When reasons were mentioned? Also how is Hopkins vs Pavlik not a close fight, Hopkins just came off an extremely close fight with Calzaghe that i felt he won, but either way was a close fight. I could see Pavlik winning, but to say Hopkins doesn't have an even or almost even chance is denying obvious facts that.
1) Hopkins makes everybody look bad
2) Hopkins has stunned Calzaghe and Tarver who both ahve better chins then Pavlik in their fights.
3) He has made a couple of the most skilled pressure boxers in boxing look bad in Winky and Calzaghe.
4) Hopkins style is a bad matchup for Pavlik
5) ITS BERNARD HOPKINS.