Who beats Chad Dawson?

[Mr140]

Teath think you overrating Chad just as much as people overrate Pavlik to tell you the truth you say Pavlik is lucky in his divsion well so is Chad. Say things about Pavliks chin but besides that one time with Taylor it has not happen again in the rematch he did not hurt Pavlik did he. As for Chad he has showed to be chinny in more fights then Pavlik he lost to Johnson he is like what 40 years of age and then beats Taver at 39 and people are surprised i think you give Chad to much credit for a win when old Bernard did a way worse job on Taver then Chad did and thats the Bernard that was beat by Taylor so it is not like he was in prime or anything. Lets not forget all the time Chad has been rocked which is alot more then Pavlik. Chad has bad habit of going to the ropes and taking rounds off and if he does that gives Pavlik a great chance of hurting him and Chad loses focas alot which is not that great of thing to be doing at this level. As for what you been saying about Kessler on other threads he was hurt by Calzaghe enough said he is lucky the ref held Calzaghe back or he would been down and who knows maybe even stoped not to mention the competion he has been facing latly which is just a joke if you ask me not even jourymen. If Kessler fights Pavlik and Pavlik goes to the body he while knock Kessler out i dont think much of him not saying Pavlik a god but neither is Chad or Kessler so i dont think there while be any out classing as you say.

[SaltyBacon]

fight with tavoris cloud would be great but there are the big guys

but there are some others maybe lucian bute, adrian diaconu, mikkel kessler

if jermain taylor or arthur abraham ever make up to 175 imo they all those fight will be enertaing

but the way he look against tarver he beat most of them

[Taeth]

Teath think you overrating Chad just as much as people overrate Pavlik to tell you the truth you say Pavlik is lucky in his divsion well so is Chad. Say things about Pavliks chin but besides that one time with Taylor it has not happen again in the rematch he did not hurt Pavlik did he. As for Chad he has showed to be chinny in more fights then Pavlik he lost to Johnson he is like what 40 years of age and then beats Taver at 39 and people are surprised i think you give Chad to much credit for a win when old Bernard did a way worse job on Taver then Chad did and thats the Bernard that was beat by Taylor so it is not like he was in prime or anything. Lets not forget all the time Chad has been rocked which is alot more then Pavlik. Chad has bad habit of going to the ropes and taking rounds off and if he does that gives Pavlik a great chance of hurting him and Chad loses focas alot which is not that great of thing to be doing at this level. As for what you been saying about Kessler on other threads he was hurt by Calzaghe enough said he is lucky the ref held Calzaghe back or he would been down and who knows maybe even stoped not to mention the competion he has been facing latly which is just a joke if you ask me not even jourymen. If Kessler fights Pavlik and Pavlik goes to the body he while knock Kessler out i dont think much of him not saying Pavlik a god but neither is Chad or Kessler so i dont think there while be any out classing as you say.

I am not saying Chad is the best fighter in the world, I agree that I think he is a weak division hence the reason why I don't think anyone would beat him, this isn't the same scenario as why I don't think any welterweight would be Floyd Mayweather, this is Chad is a very good fighter, but in a situation where there are very many fighters of top caliber left.

I don't know what you are trying to prove here about Pavlik, Calzaghe was way faster then Pavlik and a way better boxer, if he, Kelly, tried to box with Kessler he would be picked apart, and because of his lack of speed he wouldn't be able to land anything, if he tried to push Kessler back, he would eat heavy jabs and counters all night long. Pavlik's chin is as questionable as Dawson's who has been dropped, but only really hurt by Glen Johnson 15 pounds north of the middleweight division. Once again just like in the Adamek fight Dawson would overwhelm Pavlik with speed, he wear Pavlik down with his body attack.

Also Dawson's performance against Tarver was as impressive as Bernard's, he won as many rounds, he put on a better offensive show, but not quite as impressive of a defensive show.

It would be like Barrera or JMM against Juarez who is a skilled fighter coming forwad, but when you face somebody with movement and great technique everything falls to shit unless you have speed or a more physical style.

The only credible opponent Pavlik has beaten impressively is Taylor, and thats becuase Taylor exhausted himself when he had Pavlik badly compromised. Their second fight was pretty even, I thought Bernard beat Taylor more impressive in their first fight, I thought Winky beat Taylor by a larger margin in their fight. Taylor was a the perfect opponent for PAvlik, a guy without a good snap in his punches, a guy who had absolutely horrible defensive skills going backwards.

[kingfrnk]

Teath think you overrating Chad just as much as people overrate Pavlik to tell you the truth you say Pavlik is lucky in his divsion well so is Chad. Say things about Pavliks chin but besides that one time with Taylor it has not happen again in the rematch he did not hurt Pavlik did he. As for Chad he has showed to be chinny in more fights then Pavlik he lost to Johnson he is like what 40 years of age and then beats Taver at 39 and people are surprised i think you give Chad to much credit for a win when old Bernard did a way worse job on Taver then Chad did and thats the Bernard that was beat by Taylor so it is not like he was in prime or anything. Lets not forget all the time Chad has been rocked which is alot more then Pavlik. Chad has bad habit of going to the ropes and taking rounds off and if he does that gives Pavlik a great chance of hurting him and Chad loses focas alot which is not that great of thing to be doing at this level. As for what you been saying about Kessler on other threads he was hurt by Calzaghe enough said he is lucky the ref held Calzaghe back or he would been down and who knows maybe even stoped not to mention the competion he has been facing latly which is just a joke if you ask me not even jourymen. If Kessler fights Pavlik and Pavlik goes to the body he while knock Kessler out i dont think much of him not saying Pavlik a god but neither is Chad or Kessler so i dont think there while be any out classing as you say.

I am not saying Chad is the best fighter in the world, I agree that I think he is a weak division hence the reason why I don't think anyone would beat him, this isn't the same scenario as why I don't think any welterweight would be Floyd Mayweather, this is Chad is a very good fighter, but in a situation where there are very many fighters of top caliber left.

I don't know what you are trying to prove here about Pavlik, Calzaghe was way faster then Pavlik and a way better boxer, if he, Kelly, tried to box with Kessler he would be picked apart, and because of his lack of speed he wouldn't be able to land anything, if he tried to push Kessler back, he would eat heavy jabs and counters all night long. Pavlik's chin is as questionable as Dawson's who has been dropped, but only really hurt by Glen Johnson 15 pounds north of the middleweight division. Once again just like in the Adamek fight Dawson would overwhelm Pavlik with speed, he wear Pavlik down with his body attack.

Also Dawson's performance against Tarver was as impressive as Bernard's, he won as many rounds, he put on a better offensive show, but not quite as impressive of a defensive show.

It would be like Barrera or JMM against Juarez who is a skilled fighter coming forwad, but when you face somebody with movement and great technique everything falls to shit unless you have speed or a more physical style.

The only credible opponent Pavlik has beaten impressively is Taylor, and thats becuase Taylor exhausted himself when he had Pavlik badly compromised. Their second fight was pretty even, I thought Bernard beat Taylor more impressive in their first fight, I thought Winky beat Taylor by a larger margin in their fight. Taylor was a the perfect opponent for PAvlik, a guy without a good snap in his punches, a guy who had absolutely horrible defensive skills going backwards.

taeth u are stupid if u think bernard lost to taylor the first time was better than kellys victory over taylor the second time. idiot

[Taeth]

Teath think you overrating Chad just as much as people overrate Pavlik to tell you the truth you say Pavlik is lucky in his divsion well so is Chad. Say things about Pavliks chin but besides that one time with Taylor it has not happen again in the rematch he did not hurt Pavlik did he. As for Chad he has showed to be chinny in more fights then Pavlik he lost to Johnson he is like what 40 years of age and then beats Taver at 39 and people are surprised i think you give Chad to much credit for a win when old Bernard did a way worse job on Taver then Chad did and thats the Bernard that was beat by Taylor so it is not like he was in prime or anything. Lets not forget all the time Chad has been rocked which is alot more then Pavlik. Chad has bad habit of going to the ropes and taking rounds off and if he does that gives Pavlik a great chance of hurting him and Chad loses focas alot which is not that great of thing to be doing at this level. As for what you been saying about Kessler on other threads he was hurt by Calzaghe enough said he is lucky the ref held Calzaghe back or he would been down and who knows maybe even stoped not to mention the competion he has been facing latly which is just a joke if you ask me not even jourymen. If Kessler fights Pavlik and Pavlik goes to the body he while knock Kessler out i dont think much of him not saying Pavlik a god but neither is Chad or Kessler so i dont think there while be any out classing as you say.

I am not saying Chad is the best fighter in the world, I agree that I think he is a weak division hence the reason why I don't think anyone would beat him, this isn't the same scenario as why I don't think any welterweight would be Floyd Mayweather, this is Chad is a very good fighter, but in a situation where there are very many fighters of top caliber left.

I don't know what you are trying to prove here about Pavlik, Calzaghe was way faster then Pavlik and a way better boxer, if he, Kelly, tried to box with Kessler he would be picked apart, and because of his lack of speed he wouldn't be able to land anything, if he tried to push Kessler back, he would eat heavy jabs and counters all night long. Pavlik's chin is as questionable as Dawson's who has been dropped, but only really hurt by Glen Johnson 15 pounds north of the middleweight division. Once again just like in the Adamek fight Dawson would overwhelm Pavlik with speed, he wear Pavlik down with his body attack.

Also Dawson's performance against Tarver was as impressive as Bernard's, he won as many rounds, he put on a better offensive show, but not quite as impressive of a defensive show.

It would be like Barrera or JMM against Juarez who is a skilled fighter coming forwad, but when you face somebody with movement and great technique everything falls to shit unless you have speed or a more physical style.

The only credible opponent Pavlik has beaten impressively is Taylor, and thats becuase Taylor exhausted himself when he had Pavlik badly compromised. Their second fight was pretty even, I thought Bernard beat Taylor more impressive in their first fight, I thought Winky beat Taylor by a larger margin in their fight. Taylor was a the perfect opponent for PAvlik, a guy without a good snap in his punches, a guy who had absolutely horrible defensive skills going backwards.

taeth u are stupid if u think bernard lost to taylor the first time was better than kellys victory over taylor the second time. idiot

Your the idiot, Hopkins was coutnering effectively, he hurt Taylor more near the end then Kelly ever did in their second fight. Taylor wasn't able to use the jab, Bernard put on a defensive show along with showcasing the right hand. Pavlik got hit a lot, he landed alot, but I liked what Hopkins did more. All in all they both won close fights IMO against Taylor, but Cory Spinks and Winky Wright beat Taylor emphatically IMO.

[kingfrnk]

I am not saying Chad is the best fighter in the world, I agree that I think he is a weak division hence the reason why I don't think anyone would beat him, this isn't the same scenario as why I don't think any welterweight would be Floyd Mayweather, this is Chad is a very good fighter, but in a situation where there are very many fighters of top caliber left.

I don't know what you are trying to prove here about Pavlik, Calzaghe was way faster then Pavlik and a way better boxer, if he, Kelly, tried to box with Kessler he would be picked apart, and because of his lack of speed he wouldn't be able to land anything, if he tried to push Kessler back, he would eat heavy jabs and counters all night long. Pavlik's chin is as questionable as Dawson's who has been dropped, but only really hurt by Glen Johnson 15 pounds north of the middleweight division. Once again just like in the Adamek fight Dawson would overwhelm Pavlik with speed, he wear Pavlik down with his body attack.

Also Dawson's performance against Tarver was as impressive as Bernard's, he won as many rounds, he put on a better offensive show, but not quite as impressive of a defensive show.

It would be like Barrera or JMM against Juarez who is a skilled fighter coming forwad, but when you face somebody with movement and great technique everything falls to shit unless you have speed or a more physical style.

The only credible opponent Pavlik has beaten impressively is Taylor, and thats becuase Taylor exhausted himself when he had Pavlik badly compromised. Their second fight was pretty even, I thought Bernard beat Taylor more impressive in their first fight, I thought Winky beat Taylor by a larger margin in their fight. Taylor was a the perfect opponent for PAvlik, a guy without a good snap in his punches, a guy who had absolutely horrible defensive skills going backwards.

taeth u are stupid if u think bernard lost to taylor the first time was better than kellys victory over taylor the second time. idiot

Your the idiot, Hopkins was coutnering effectively, he hurt Taylor more near the end then Kelly ever did in their second fight. Taylor wasn't able to use the jab, Bernard put on a defensive show along with showcasing the right hand. Pavlik got hit a lot, he landed alot, but I liked what Hopkins did more. All in all they both won close fights IMO against Taylor, but Cory Spinks and Winky Wright beat Taylor emphatically IMO.

your the dumbass if u think hopkins only fighting 4-5 rounds was better than kelly fighting all 12 rounds in the rematch. i think u only watch one fighter instead of both when u watch fights.

[Taeth]

taeth u are stupid if u think bernard lost to taylor the first time was better than kellys victory over taylor the second time. idiot

Your the idiot, Hopkins was coutnering effectively, he hurt Taylor more near the end then Kelly ever did in their second fight. Taylor wasn't able to use the jab, Bernard put on a defensive show along with showcasing the right hand. Pavlik got hit a lot, he landed alot, but I liked what Hopkins did more. All in all they both won close fights IMO against Taylor, but Cory Spinks and Winky Wright beat Taylor emphatically IMO.

your the dumbass if u think hopkins only fighting 4-5 rounds was better than kelly fighting all 12 rounds in the rematch. i think u only watch one fighter instead of both when u watch fights.

Your the fucking dumbass, Hopkins had amazing defense the other round which didn't allow Taylor to get anything off. Pavlik fought all 12 rounds, but that doesn't mean he won all 12 rounds, Taylor IMO looked a lot better against Pavlik then he did against Hopkins, who made him look like an amateur, in the Pavlik-TAylor fight they looked like equals. EIther way I don't think Hopkins lookd a lot better then Pavlik, but I do think Winky did a much better job comming forwad against Taylor then Pavlik did, he nullified Taylor's jab, he blocked most of what Taylor threw his way, he landed better combinations, he landed his jab more effectively. Spinks stayed a way, landed more punches in almost every round, and made Taylor miss.

[Kev]

I am not saying Chad is the best fighter in the world, I agree that I think he is a weak division hence the reason why I don't think anyone would beat him, this isn't the same scenario as why I don't think any welterweight would be Floyd Mayweather, this is Chad is a very good fighter, but in a situation where there are very many fighters of top caliber left.

I don't know what you are trying to prove here about Pavlik, Calzaghe was way faster then Pavlik and a way better boxer, if he, Kelly, tried to box with Kessler he would be picked apart, and because of his lack of speed he wouldn't be able to land anything, if he tried to push Kessler back, he would eat heavy jabs and counters all night long. Pavlik's chin is as questionable as Dawson's who has been dropped, but only really hurt by Glen Johnson 15 pounds north of the middleweight division. Once again just like in the Adamek fight Dawson would overwhelm Pavlik with speed, he wear Pavlik down with his body attack.

Also Dawson's performance against Tarver was as impressive as Bernard's, he won as many rounds, he put on a better offensive show, but not quite as impressive of a defensive show.

It would be like Barrera or JMM against Juarez who is a skilled fighter coming forwad, but when you face somebody with movement and great technique everything falls to shit unless you have speed or a more physical style.

The only credible opponent Pavlik has beaten impressively is Taylor, and thats becuase Taylor exhausted himself when he had Pavlik badly compromised. Their second fight was pretty even, I thought Bernard beat Taylor more impressive in their first fight, I thought Winky beat Taylor by a larger margin in their fight. Taylor was a the perfect opponent for PAvlik, a guy without a good snap in his punches, a guy who had absolutely horrible defensive skills going backwards.

taeth u are stupid if u think bernard lost to taylor the first time was better than kellys victory over taylor the second time. idiot

Your the idiot, Hopkins was coutnering effectively, he hurt Taylor more near the end then Kelly ever did in their second fight. Taylor wasn't able to use the jab, Bernard put on a defensive show along with showcasing the right hand. Pavlik got hit a lot, he landed alot, but I liked what Hopkins did more. All in all they both won close fights IMO against Taylor, but Cory Spinks and Winky Wright beat Taylor emphatically IMO.

Yeah he really laid a smackdown on him

You're postings and fight analysis are truly awful Taeth, truly truly awful

[intoccabile]

^^^Rewatch the spinks fight, imo.

He beat Taylor decisvely. It was the closest thing to a clinic as you can get and judges just continued to rob Cory of rounds.

[ICB]

taeth u are stupid if u think bernard lost to taylor the first time was better than kellys victory over taylor the second time. idiot

Your the idiot, Hopkins was coutnering effectively, he hurt Taylor more near the end then Kelly ever did in their second fight. Taylor wasn't able to use the jab, Bernard put on a defensive show along with showcasing the right hand. Pavlik got hit a lot, he landed alot, but I liked what Hopkins did more. All in all they both won close fights IMO against Taylor, but Cory Spinks and Winky Wright beat Taylor emphatically IMO.

Yeah he really laid a smackdown on him

You're postings and fight analysis are truly awful Taeth, truly truly awful

Bernard Hopkins done nothing in the first 8 rounds i think his average punch output. For the first 8 rounds was only 14 punches thrown a round, Jermain Taylor got tired because he was doing all the work.

And i think Jermain Taylor fought a much better fight against Kelly Pavlik, i thought he looked sharp and quick. But the body shot from Kelly Pavlik in the 11th turned the fight around, and it was all Kelly Pavlik from there.

Taeth i have no idea how you think Bernard Hopkins done more damage on Taylor or won more convincingly, in there first fight than Kelly Pavlik did against Jermain Taylor in there rematch. First off Bernard Hopkins only landed about 90+ punches on Jermain Taylor, in the entire fight.

And most of those punches came in the last 3 or 4 rounds when Bernard Hopkins, actually decided to go to work. Where as Kelly Pavlik landed 260+ punches. And most of those punches were solid jabs and right hands, and they were consistent throughout the fight.

Im sure if you asked Jermain Taylor who hurt him more or who beat him more convincingly. Im sure he would even admit Kelly Pavlik did, Bernard Hopkins at the most only won 2 out of the first 9 rounds against Jermain Taylor because he done virtually nothing, where as Kelly Pavlik was even with Jermain Taylor all the way, until he pulled it out in the championship rounds winning 7-5.

[OumaFan]

I like Dawson, very talented, seems to have a fighters mentality.

Still strikes me as a guy who could have a come out of nowhere type knockout happen to him though. Maybe I'll stop thinking that after a while but I still get that sense about him.

BTW this "you're the idiot, no you're the idiot" posting is just superb.

[Taeth]

taeth u are stupid if u think bernard lost to taylor the first time was better than kellys victory over taylor the second time. idiot

Your the idiot, Hopkins was coutnering effectively, he hurt Taylor more near the end then Kelly ever did in their second fight. Taylor wasn't able to use the jab, Bernard put on a defensive show along with showcasing the right hand. Pavlik got hit a lot, he landed alot, but I liked what Hopkins did more. All in all they both won close fights IMO against Taylor, but Cory Spinks and Winky Wright beat Taylor emphatically IMO.

Yeah he really laid a smackdown on him

You're postings and fight analysis are truly awful Taeth, truly truly awful

My fight analysis? STFU, half of you have no fighting experience, you can't see anything worth shit, and you have no true knowledge of the sport. Of course Spinks didn't beat him silly he is a fucking featherfisted welterweight, but he did out box Taylor. He had better ring generalship, and he landed way more punches. Half the people know what they are talking about, the other half are fucking retards.