Who beats Chad Dawson?

[CutMeMick]

Hey Mick I know it may be a bit soon but but I'd like to know your thoughts on a potential Dawson/ Cloud fight? Because I think Cloud is a huge talent & may have the tools to give Chad problems!

Too early to give Cloud a equal assesment.
If I had to call it now you have to back BCD just because he's done more thus far.
But I can't wait until Cloud starts developing. Can he brush up in the skills dept? Or will he remain a puncher?
Yet to be seen but it will def. be interesting if they ever meet.

Two fighters I think could beat Chad: Diaconu and Erdei. I think Diaconu would be a tough fight for BCD. Diaconu punches like a beast and I still think BCD's weakness is his chin. If Diaconu popped Chad, it would be over fast - but, would he even get the chance if Chad was throwing punches a mile-per-minute? Maybe not. Erdei possesses enough speed, boxing know-how, and experience to beat Chad, but Erdei wouldn't leave Germany for $100 million and a lifetime giftcard at Spearmint Rhino.

Completely disagree with the Diaconu assesment.
BCDs workrate would not allow the smaller, shorter and less busier Diaconu to work his game plan. Henry at times was able to outbox Diaconu in their fight with ease but did not have the workrate and stamina to hold off Diaconu. For a good part of the fight, late in the fight it looked like Henry was turning it and or was gonna turn the fight around.

[Kev]

Dawson is definitely a talent but to be fair there is nobody at lightheavyeight these days.

He's come in as and taken control of what biologically was probably the oldest division in boxing, Tarver and Johnson are both 40, Jones Jr is almost 40, Hopkins is 43, Calzaghe is 36 and the 'young threat'.

I think Dawson definitely has potential but he certainly got into the division at the right time.

Whether Pavlik could carry his punch that far I don't know.

Pavlik and Joe are obviously the fights he would want but I highly doubt Calzaghe would pit his perfect record against a young, talented, naturally bigger kid like Dawson, let's face it that fight will never ever happen.

Pavlik though if he gets past Hopkins will likely step up and try and chase the big fights.

This isn't a criticism of Calzaghe, he's just 10 years further on than Pavlik and wants to mega fights against the established names rather than a young lion on the up for less money and more risk. For Pavlik though its all about the glory right now so if he beats Hopkins then I guess Dawson might be on his radar for the future.

[CutMeMick]

Dawson is definitely a talent but to be fair there is nobody at lightheavyeight these days.

He's come in as and taken control of what biologically was probably the oldest division in boxing, Tarver and Johnson are both 40, Jones Jr is almost 40, Hopkins is 43, Calzaghe is 36 and the 'young threat'.

I think Dawson definitely has potential but he certainly got into the division at the right time.

Whether Pavlik could carry his punch that far I don't know.

Pavlik and Joe are obviously the fights he would want but I highly doubt Calzaghe would pit his perfect record against a young, talented, naturally bigger kid like Dawson, let's face it that fight will never ever happen.

Pavlik though if he gets past Hopkins will likely step up and try and chase the big fights.

This isn't a criticism of Calzaghe, he's just 10 years further on than Pavlik and wants to mega fights against the established names rather than a young lion on the up for less money and more risk. For Pavlik though its all about the glory right now so if he beats Hopkins then I guess Dawson might be on his radar for the future.

Your assesment is true but to be fair to the kid these "older" fighters still got some fight in them. As we've seen in Hop vs. Joe and Hop vs. Tarver and RJJ vs. Tito.
BCD wont win a fight vs. them just by showing up. He still has to fight.

Also there's a lot of talent coming up; Erdeis been around for sometime but it's become apparent he wont leave his country anytime soon.
Diaconu, Cloud, Garay, Brahamer and Francis have been established as top LHW for sometime now.

But the Div. is def. in transission right now. But things don't get handed to you, you still have to fight...

[Kev]

Dawson is definitely a talent but to be fair there is nobody at lightheavyeight these days.

He's come in as and taken control of what biologically was probably the oldest division in boxing, Tarver and Johnson are both 40, Jones Jr is almost 40, Hopkins is 43, Calzaghe is 36 and the 'young threat'.

I think Dawson definitely has potential but he certainly got into the division at the right time.

Whether Pavlik could carry his punch that far I don't know.

Pavlik and Joe are obviously the fights he would want but I highly doubt Calzaghe would pit his perfect record against a young, talented, naturally bigger kid like Dawson, let's face it that fight will never ever happen.

Pavlik though if he gets past Hopkins will likely step up and try and chase the big fights.

This isn't a criticism of Calzaghe, he's just 10 years further on than Pavlik and wants to mega fights against the established names rather than a young lion on the up for less money and more risk. For Pavlik though its all about the glory right now so if he beats Hopkins then I guess Dawson might be on his radar for the future.

Your assesment is true but to be fair to the kid these "older" fighters still got some fight in them. As we've seen in Hop vs. Joe and Hop vs. Tarver and RJJ vs. Tito.
BCD wont win a fight vs. them just by showing up. He still has to fight.

Also there's a lot of talent coming up; Erdeis been around for sometime but it's become apparent he wont leave his country anytime soon.
Diaconu, Cloud, Garay, Brahamer and Francis have been established as top LHW for sometime now.

But the Div. is def. in transission right now. But things don't get handed to you, you still have to fight...

Yeah I definitely agree with you, you have to be talented to rise to the top of any division and in winning fights over Adamek, Johnson and Tarver Dawson has proven he is the best lightheavyweight in the world right now.

The old guys he has beaten however arn't the best old guys though. I'd certainly love to see how he handled B Hop, I think he would make things a lot harder for Chad than Dawson.

He also lost the war with Johnson imo even though I agree on a round by round basis he probably deserved to win the fight.

I think he's capable of beating every challenger and fellow champ out there, but I also think Calzaghe, Hopkins, and maybe Pavlik could beat him as well.

It's certainly not like when Jones Jr was in his prime at light heavy, or Pavlik at middleweight now where you would be really suprised if they got beat in their respective divisions. He has shown vulnurabilities, against Dawson and Adamek in particular but there's no doubting the kid can really box.

I'd have him pretty close to the p4p now, probably top 15 at least. Consecutive wins over Adamek, Johnson and Tarver are impressive.

He still hasn't had what I'd call a defining fight yet though. Hopefully the winner of Pavlik Hopkins will give it to him.

[Rantcatrat]

Hey Mick I know it may be a bit soon but but I'd like to know your thoughts on a potential Dawson/ Cloud fight? Because I think Cloud is a huge talent & may have the tools to give Chad problems!

Too early to give Cloud a equal assesment.
If I had to call it now you have to back BCD just because he's done more thus far.
But I can't wait until Cloud starts developing. Can he brush up in the skills dept? Or will he remain a puncher?
Yet to be seen but it will def. be interesting if they ever meet.

Two fighters I think could beat Chad: Diaconu and Erdei. I think Diaconu would be a tough fight for BCD. Diaconu punches like a beast and I still think BCD's weakness is his chin. If Diaconu popped Chad, it would be over fast - but, would he even get the chance if Chad was throwing punches a mile-per-minute? Maybe not. Erdei possesses enough speed, boxing know-how, and experience to beat Chad, but Erdei wouldn't leave Germany for $100 million and a lifetime giftcard at Spearmint Rhino.

Completely disagree with the Diaconu assesment.
BCDs workrate would not allow the smaller, shorter and less busier Diaconu to work his game plan. Henry at times was able to outbox Diaconu in their fight with ease but did not have the workrate and stamina to hold off Diaconu. For a good part of the fight, late in the fight it looked like Henry was turning it and or was gonna turn the fight around.

I italicized the word "could" because I don't know if Diaconu or Erdei "would" beat BCD. I actually favor Chad in either fight. It was disappointing that Chad chose not to fight Diaconu when he had the chance (I understand that Diaconu hurt his hand and the rest etc). My point was that Diaconu possesses the punch to hurt Dawson. Dawson's only liability, if it is one, is his chin. Diaconu's strength is his punch. Put two-and-two together. My bet would be that Dawson wins by workrate and due to Dawson's speed Diaconu wouldn't get the chance to unload any bombs.