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I agree with the post above regarding Dawson v. Pavlik. That is why I think Pavlik should remain at middleweight for as long as possible and establish himself as one of the better middleweights of all-time. By moving up in weight he loses his advantages his height, reach, and toughness. Other than Abraham, I don't see a middleweight out there that could hang with him.

i dont think kelly can establish himself as a ATG middleweight because the only 2 fights for kelly at 160 is abraham and sturm. so for kelly to be an ATG at the moment he would have to go up in weight to make a great name for himself.
Don't forget Paul Williams. Also, Bernard didn't fight greats in every fight as middleweight champ. Pavlik could sit on top of the thrown once he beats Abraham and Sturm.