Pavliks fighting an oldman so should win. Kelly is a top fighter but this fight does nothing - its just beating a name.
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Pavliks fighting an oldman so should win. Kelly is a top fighter but this fight does nothing - its just beating a name.
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Calzaghe only just beat him and i thought Bernard edged it as the champ so its more than just beating a name if Pavlik wins.
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I think a lot of you owe some rep damn it.
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I don't believe that. I mean of the 3 losses in his last 5 none were a case of just beating a name.
2 were by split decision and all of them are debatable losses in the eyes of some.
I thought he lost all 3 personally but you certainly can't say he's an easy test for anyone, much less a young champ like Pavlik who has only fought one world class opponent in his career thus far in Jermain Taylor.
It's a risky fight for Kelly.
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Ive come off the fence a week ago and now am actually standing by a Hopkins victory.I think Hopkins will literally be forced to fight with more leverage,realizing Pavliks strength and what he brings,and as much of a head game that he wants to be for Pavlik,equally he can not be a mind game for himself....do not ride on your legacy and take shite for granted thinking he can pot shot all night.At first Kelly will look to bring a fast KO as is his mindset.Hopkins will be the most awkward,experienced,multi-geared fighter Pavlik has ever fought,even though those gears are an aged 43 and I think Hopkins will catch him coming straight in and Pavlik Backing up is an ineffective Pavlik,I think he might just come to a point where he is stuck in between styles off counter punches from Hopkins and a bit uncertain how to change up,becoming entangled in Hopkins pace,He was walked around those ropes in rematch with Taylor and that will be a factor imo....Pavlik fights,he comes in and looks to assert his youth & power on his opponents and overwhelm them.Honestly,he should come off that long jab and look for a home with body hooks early & often,I think he'll have more effect there as opposed to the head.Maybe I'm off the meds or just living on Memories of a prime Hopkins but I see him honing all of those long toothed skills/mentality and spinging a surprise.I very well could be wrong .No excuses either way.
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Recently I've noticed Hopkins doesn't slip or counter as much as he used too he simply blocks punches with his hands high.The only slipping he still does is slip outside of the jab and come back with a right hand what I like to call rock and roll. You can't do that all the time against Kelly he is to tall and will make you pay.Tarver is taller but being a southpaw is much easier to hit with a right hand what Hopkins was able to do all night. With Hopkins' hands being high and just blocking Kelly will be punching threw the gloves and still rattling that 43 year old brain and this is where my prediction comes in.I don't think he can take that type of punishment anymore.He must move, move, move,box,box,box. Again something I don't think he can do.For me he has to fight like the young Bernard put pressure on Pavlik constantly move forward and throw combination's inside. The Executioner will be Executed.
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Good analysis, Hop hasn't fought orthodox opp for a while. All i feel pavlik needs to do is apply steady pressurre without going nuts, maybe even try and do some mauling/wrestling himself until Hop gets tired late on, just make sure he makes the old man work for the first rounds while not getting caught with anything stupid.
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Good to tire Grey beard Hopkins out but to much laying in with tussle & Maul might be a risky venture,I think Pavlik should just do what he does best and try to keep Hopkins on his heels with steady pressure,working those legs & body,body.Good Idea for Pav to hone up on inside tactics,no doubt Hopkins will try to use that.I can see a rough affair.
So does Joe Calzaghe's win over Bernard Hopkins mean nothing aswell ? and its just a win over an old name ? because Joe Calzaghe fans hold that win in high regard. So if Kelly Pavlik stops Bernard Hopkins or beats him more convincingly, doesn't Kelly Pavlik deserve more credit ?
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I hope Hopkins wins but Pavlik is smart and will not fall into the traps that Hopkins will set. He will out work him and win on points.
Do not let success go to your head and do not let failure get to your heart.
Well said!
I say the same for pavlik as i did for calzaghe.
There is no way hopkins is simply a past it old man.
Look how he bashed tarver, he bashed wright and put up a great performance against calzaghe, i only had 1 round in it for calzaghe.
Considering how calzaghe beat kessler and lacy, then compare to how he beat hopkins, it just shows how good nard is!
Nard makes everyone look crap, he is extremely negative and i think is probably more dangerous now in his old age than he was before. He never relied on speed and stamina to do his work for him, hes always been a tactictition and a chess player in the ring. Now that hes older and his stamina has left him he relies more so on negative boxing and tactics as well as dirtiness and fouling...i think this makes him even more awkward than he was before tbh.
If kelly bashes nard then he should call out calzaghe THERE AND THEN!
Calzaghe vs pavlik is the fight everyone wants to see, this is the true defining fight of calzaghe's carreer if he can beat a prime pavlik and add it to the rest of the names hes fought and beaten.
In my opinion only when calzaghe fights and beats (if he beats) pavlik can he be called greatest super middle weight ever and have claim to the p4p number 1 spot, not until then though!
I think kelly will beat hopkins tonight because his stamina will be the key issue.
Kelly has great stamina. I think nard has a massive advantage with experience and can nullify kelly's attack, i dont think this is where he can be beaten as hes dealt with so many other great fighters attacks and totally nullified them as well. But i see nard's stamina going (as it did in the calzaghe fight) around the 7th-8th and then really dropping in the last 2 rounds...i cant see him winning the last 2 rounds at all.
There is always the possibility nard can ko pavlik, pavlik doesnt have as good a chin as calzaghe and nard knocked calzaghe down on the floor with a swift sharp right counter, he will aim to do the same with pavlik...this is where his chance is. But as the fight goes on, i cant see how nard can stop it slipping away from him, even if he does implement all the fouls/dirty tricks in the book (which i know he will lol).
Anyway, its a great fight because it will prove how good kelly pavlik is.
If kelly wins then he MUST call joe calzaghe out and make everyone hear him!!!
We must see a calzaghe vs pavlik fight, then the fans can truly decide how much each fighter is worth.
Of course though, if nard wins then thats pretty much pavlik screwed, he wont get a chance with calzaghe and after calzaghe disposes of jones he will simply retire. It will be a shame for boxing if nard wins because it ruins kely's chances of a bigger fight against calzaghe which is what everyone wants to see.
Anyway, may the best man win!![]()
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i think hopkins can do it again
OMG Hopkins is looking fu**ing great. Can he keep it up?
He Did It!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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