Bernard Hopkins

[p4pking]

I agree its absurd to suggest Hopkins didn't take the fight with Calzaghe as serious as the fight with Pavlik.

i think it just came down to Pavlik still being inexperienced and raw relatively speaking whilst Calzaghe is as seasoned and experienced as they come.

I guess you could make an argument that having Naseem Richardson back in his corner and organising a gameplan was a big help to Hopkins but even then at 43 I really don't think a trainer can a win or lose a fight for Bernard.

Calzaghe simply coped better with Hopkins style than Kelly did.

I think it's pretty obvious Hopkins trained harder for this fight because he couldn't live with losing to a white boy ok? That's why he didn't even train for Calzaghe, it was degrading for him to put in that kind of hard work at his age just to fight a Welshman who slaps. Freddie Roach didn't have the right racial sentiment to really get Hopkins fired up either. Nazim wouldn't let him lose to another white boy. Simple as that. If he was in the corner for the Calzaghe fight it would've never happened the first time.

[intoccabile]

Hopkins vs. Calzaghe Official Weigh In at Planet Hollywood Resort - Pictures - Zimbio

HBO: Boxing: PPV: Pavlik vs. Hopkins: OFFICIAL WEIGH-IN

I had no idea pictures could show you if someones cardio is the same or not, rofl.
Do you run? train? workout of any sort?

Do you know what your good and bad days are?
You ever go running one day and do terrible in comparison to what you usually do and tell
yourself " whats wrong with me today? " Then bounce back strong the next?

Or you ever run one day and for some reason just never feel tired or just run more miles
than usual, but can't seem to do it the next?

The body is mysterious, isn't it?
Fighters often times have the same problem.
If you can barely WALK a mile one day.. then you can RUN a mile the next with no problems,
it's pretty obvious what day your lungs were the best fit for excercise.

Hopkins couldn't walk 7 rounds with plenty of breaks against calzaghe.
But he could run 12 rounds with no breaks against pavlik at a much heaviar
workrate. I'm done replying -.-; You fanboys are a mess.

Uhh your talking out your ass now and don't even try and be sarcastic with me. I actually do Amateur boxing and have had 4 fights, you said his body looked in better shape did you not ? i showed you the evidence which clearly shows his body looked no different.

And secondly im not even Joe Calzaghe fan so you can stop calling me a fan boy, the fact is Joe Calzaghe forced a much higher tempo fight based on Joe Calzaghe being more skilled fighter. Joe Calzaghe used angles and has much faster handspeed than Kelly Pavlik, much faster footwork, and better variety of punches, basically a much better all round fighter than Kelly Pavlik

Plus Joe Calzaghe threw 707 punches and Kelly Pavlik only threw 463, and amazingly Bernard Hopkins had a higher workrate against Kelly Pavlik, do you see what people are saying now ? Kelly Pavlik fought Bernard Hopkins slow pace kind of a fight never forcing him to work.

Where as Joe Calzaghe forced Bernard Hopkins too work much more, and disrupted Bernard Hopkins rhythm and trapped him on the ropes. Something Kelly Pavlik could never do in the entire fight, all your trying to do is try and discredit and take away Joe Calzaghe's win over Bernard Hopkins.

This nonsense about Bernard Hopkins radically training completely different is complete nonsese. Bernard Hopkins has never ever come into a fight not completely 100 percent, except for the fight with Segundo Mercado, because like i said he didn't get properly climatized to the high altitude. And Bernard Hopkins himself never made that excuse he wasn't 100 percent against Joe Calzaghe so why should you ?

When did you see me say his body VISUALLY LOOKED in better shape?
I said it was obvious his body was in better condition. You, having done amateur boxing, should know how many grounds that covers more than ANYONE. When I said he looked in much better condition, i don't mean visually. I mean the fact that he was able to work harder for longer. I've only been disputing his cardio, not how he looked, so how could you even confuse the two?!

And again, where did you see me say Bernard trained completely different? Stop putting words in my mouth. I've always seen the point people are trying to make from Calzaghe to Pavlik, but people are entirely missing MINE. Regardless of how many punches Joe through, with zero conviction, the pace was still much slower on Hopkins part and he didn't tire, it's that simple.

I'm currently training to turn pro and making the transition very soon, and I'll be the first to say that my training doesn't need to change for me to feel god awful one day then like god the next. I can cover a ton of ground one day, then hardly any another. That's how the body works. I never took anything from Calzaghe, I just tossed another perspective up there for the OP - one that many of you can't seem to grasp. You included, and no.. that's not sarcasm. I'm a very literal guy, I don't candy coat anything I say so don't assume I'm being sarcastic with you.

[intoccabile]

I agree its absurd to suggest Hopkins didn't take the fight with Calzaghe as serious as the fight with Pavlik.

i think it just came down to Pavlik still being inexperienced and raw relatively speaking whilst Calzaghe is as seasoned and experienced as they come.

I guess you could make an argument that having Naseem Richardson back in his corner and organising a gameplan was a big help to Hopkins but even then at 43 I really don't think a trainer can a win or lose a fight for Bernard.

Calzaghe simply coped better with Hopkins style than Kelly did.

I think it's pretty obvious Hopkins trained harder for this fight because he couldn't live with losing to a white boy ok? That's why he didn't even train for Calzaghe, it was degrading for him to put in that kind of hard work at his age just to fight a Welshman who slaps. Freddie Roach didn't have the right racial sentiment to really get Hopkins fired up either. Nazim wouldn't let him lose to another white boy. Simple as that. If he was in the corner for the Calzaghe fight it would've never happened the first time.

LMao I hope you're being sarcastic.
I do think that Nazim brought the best out of Nard though.

[Fenster]

I agree its absurd to suggest Hopkins didn't take the fight with Calzaghe as serious as the fight with Pavlik.

i think it just came down to Pavlik still being inexperienced and raw relatively speaking whilst Calzaghe is as seasoned and experienced as they come.

I guess you could make an argument that having Naseem Richardson back in his corner and organising a gameplan was a big help to Hopkins but even then at 43 I really don't think a trainer can a win or lose a fight for Bernard.

Calzaghe simply coped better with Hopkins style than Kelly did.

I think it's pretty obvious Hopkins trained harder for this fight because he couldn't live with losing to a white boy ok? That's why he didn't even train for Calzaghe, it was degrading for him to put in that kind of hard work at his age just to fight a Welshman who slaps. Freddie Roach didn't have the right racial sentiment to really get Hopkins fired up either. Nazim wouldn't let him lose to another white boy. Simple as that. If he was in the corner for the Calzaghe fight it would've never happened the first time.

Now that's more like it. I can buy that.

[p4pking]

I hope you fools don't think Im kidding. Hopkins is way to OG street Locced out to lose consecutive fights to a couple crackas.

[Kev]

I had no idea pictures could show you if someones cardio is the same or not, rofl.
Do you run? train? workout of any sort?

Do you know what your good and bad days are?
You ever go running one day and do terrible in comparison to what you usually do and tell
yourself " whats wrong with me today? " Then bounce back strong the next?

Or you ever run one day and for some reason just never feel tired or just run more miles
than usual, but can't seem to do it the next?

The body is mysterious, isn't it?
Fighters often times have the same problem.
If you can barely WALK a mile one day.. then you can RUN a mile the next with no problems,
it's pretty obvious what day your lungs were the best fit for excercise.

Hopkins couldn't walk 7 rounds with plenty of breaks against calzaghe.
But he could run 12 rounds with no breaks against pavlik at a much heaviar
workrate. I'm done replying -.-; You fanboys are a mess.

Uhh your talking out your ass now and don't even try and be sarcastic with me. I actually do Amateur boxing and have had 4 fights, you said his body looked in better shape did you not ? i showed you the evidence which clearly shows his body looked no different.

And secondly im not even Joe Calzaghe fan so you can stop calling me a fan boy, the fact is Joe Calzaghe forced a much higher tempo fight based on Joe Calzaghe being more skilled fighter. Joe Calzaghe used angles and has much faster handspeed than Kelly Pavlik, much faster footwork, and better variety of punches, basically a much better all round fighter than Kelly Pavlik

Plus Joe Calzaghe threw 707 punches and Kelly Pavlik only threw 463, and amazingly Bernard Hopkins had a higher workrate against Kelly Pavlik, do you see what people are saying now ? Kelly Pavlik fought Bernard Hopkins slow pace kind of a fight never forcing him to work.

Where as Joe Calzaghe forced Bernard Hopkins too work much more, and disrupted Bernard Hopkins rhythm and trapped him on the ropes. Something Kelly Pavlik could never do in the entire fight, all your trying to do is try and discredit and take away Joe Calzaghe's win over Bernard Hopkins.

This nonsense about Bernard Hopkins radically training completely different is complete nonsese. Bernard Hopkins has never ever come into a fight not completely 100 percent, except for the fight with Segundo Mercado, because like i said he didn't get properly climatized to the high altitude. And Bernard Hopkins himself never made that excuse he wasn't 100 percent against Joe Calzaghe so why should you ?

When did you see me say his body VISUALLY LOOKED in better shape?
I said it was obvious his body was in better condition. You, having done amateur boxing, should know how many grounds that covers more than ANYONE. When I said he looked in much better condition, i don't mean visually. I mean the fact that he was able to work harder for longer. I've only been disputing his cardio, not how he looked, so how could you even confuse the two?!

And again, where did you see me say Bernard trained completely different? Stop putting words in my mouth. I've always seen the point people are trying to make from Calzaghe to Pavlik, but people are entirely missing MINE. Regardless of how many punches Joe through, with zero conviction, the pace was still much slower on Hopkins part and he didn't tire, it's that simple.

I'm currently training to turn pro and making the transition very soon, and I'll be the first to say that my training doesn't need to change for me to feel god awful one day then like god the next. I can cover a ton of ground one day, then hardly any another. That's how the body works. I never took anything from Calzaghe, I just tossed another perspective up there for the OP - one that many of you can't seem to grasp. You included, and no.. that's not sarcasm. I'm a very literal guy, I don't candy coat anything I say so don't assume I'm being sarcastic with you.

If that is literally true then I'd see a doctor. Variations in fitness on a daily basis are to be expected but regularly feeling terrible and unable to train even though you are physically fit sounds like a potentially serious health problem. You could be diabetic or something. Either that or you are overtraining and have no idea how to structure a proper training program.

[Kev]

I hope you fools don't think Im kidding. Hopkins is way to OG street Locced out to lose consecutive fights to a couple crackas.

So is it possible that Calzaghe wasn't white enough? Maybe his Italian roots gave him some dark skinned genetic strength that B Hop didn't anticipate.

Perhaps he knew Pavlik would be an easy comeback fight because of his excessive paleness?

[p4pking]

I put all his great victories down to just being more of a gangster than his opponent..... So it's obvious the Calzaghe fight was just a fluke, unless we don't know something about Joe? He did seem pretty comfortable with the whole prison ass rape thing

[Kev]

I put all his great victories down to just being more of a gangster than his opponent..... So it's obvious the Calzaghe fight was just a fluke, unless we don't know something about Joe? He did seem pretty comfortable with the whole prison ass rape thing

Well Joe's dad was in the musical entertainment business so it's probably fair to say he wouldn't be worried about the threat of homosexual acts

[p4pking]

I put all his great victories down to just being more of a gangster than his opponent..... So it's obvious the Calzaghe fight was just a fluke, unless we don't know something about Joe? He did seem pretty comfortable with the whole prison ass rape thing

Well Joe's dad was in the musical entertainment business so it's probably fair to say he wouldn't be worried about the threat of homosexual acts

Maybe that's it!!! Hopkins was so taken back when he told Calzaghe he was gunna do him like D block and Joe didn't even flinch, he just lost his edge. The threat of sexual acts is a big part of Hopkins pre fight game.

[intoccabile]

Uhh your talking out your ass now and don't even try and be sarcastic with me. I actually do Amateur boxing and have had 4 fights, you said his body looked in better shape did you not ? i showed you the evidence which clearly shows his body looked no different.

And secondly im not even Joe Calzaghe fan so you can stop calling me a fan boy, the fact is Joe Calzaghe forced a much higher tempo fight based on Joe Calzaghe being more skilled fighter. Joe Calzaghe used angles and has much faster handspeed than Kelly Pavlik, much faster footwork, and better variety of punches, basically a much better all round fighter than Kelly Pavlik

Plus Joe Calzaghe threw 707 punches and Kelly Pavlik only threw 463, and amazingly Bernard Hopkins had a higher workrate against Kelly Pavlik, do you see what people are saying now ? Kelly Pavlik fought Bernard Hopkins slow pace kind of a fight never forcing him to work.

Where as Joe Calzaghe forced Bernard Hopkins too work much more, and disrupted Bernard Hopkins rhythm and trapped him on the ropes. Something Kelly Pavlik could never do in the entire fight, all your trying to do is try and discredit and take away Joe Calzaghe's win over Bernard Hopkins.

This nonsense about Bernard Hopkins radically training completely different is complete nonsese. Bernard Hopkins has never ever come into a fight not completely 100 percent, except for the fight with Segundo Mercado, because like i said he didn't get properly climatized to the high altitude. And Bernard Hopkins himself never made that excuse he wasn't 100 percent against Joe Calzaghe so why should you ?

When did you see me say his body VISUALLY LOOKED in better shape?
I said it was obvious his body was in better condition. You, having done amateur boxing, should know how many grounds that covers more than ANYONE. When I said he looked in much better condition, i don't mean visually. I mean the fact that he was able to work harder for longer. I've only been disputing his cardio, not how he looked, so how could you even confuse the two?!

And again, where did you see me say Bernard trained completely different? Stop putting words in my mouth. I've always seen the point people are trying to make from Calzaghe to Pavlik, but people are entirely missing MINE. Regardless of how many punches Joe through, with zero conviction, the pace was still much slower on Hopkins part and he didn't tire, it's that simple.

I'm currently training to turn pro and making the transition very soon, and I'll be the first to say that my training doesn't need to change for me to feel god awful one day then like god the next. I can cover a ton of ground one day, then hardly any another. That's how the body works. I never took anything from Calzaghe, I just tossed another perspective up there for the OP - one that many of you can't seem to grasp. You included, and no.. that's not sarcasm. I'm a very literal guy, I don't candy coat anything I say so don't assume I'm being sarcastic with you.

If that is literally true then I'd see a doctor. Variations in fitness on a daily basis are to be expected but regularly feeling terrible and unable to train even though you are physically fit sounds like a potentially serious health problem. You could be diabetic or something. Either that or you are overtraining and have no idea how to structure a proper training program.

Sigh.
It was a figure of speach man, rofl.
But seriously, everyone has there good days and bad days.
I run 5 laps around the philadelphia zoo every other day before I head to work then gym.
That's aobut 4 in a half miles roughly with some nasty up hills in the last stretch.
Some days I do it easily other days I feel it a little more than I'd want to. Every athlete goes through it. Hence the saying " i just didn't feel right today.." etc etc.

Its not like I can run one day then fall out the next, lol. It's just a "feeling" that just isn't the same as it is on good days, is all. Has alot to do with what I eat the night before aswell.

But whatever hopkins excuse for fatiguing while walking one day then remaining fresh while running another, we'll just all have to agree to disagree i guess. Because this is going no where.

[Kev]

When did you see me say his body VISUALLY LOOKED in better shape?
I said it was obvious his body was in better condition. You, having done amateur boxing, should know how many grounds that covers more than ANYONE. When I said he looked in much better condition, i don't mean visually. I mean the fact that he was able to work harder for longer. I've only been disputing his cardio, not how he looked, so how could you even confuse the two?!

And again, where did you see me say Bernard trained completely different? Stop putting words in my mouth. I've always seen the point people are trying to make from Calzaghe to Pavlik, but people are entirely missing MINE. Regardless of how many punches Joe through, with zero conviction, the pace was still much slower on Hopkins part and he didn't tire, it's that simple.

I'm currently training to turn pro and making the transition very soon, and I'll be the first to say that my training doesn't need to change for me to feel god awful one day then like god the next. I can cover a ton of ground one day, then hardly any another. That's how the body works. I never took anything from Calzaghe, I just tossed another perspective up there for the OP - one that many of you can't seem to grasp. You included, and no.. that's not sarcasm. I'm a very literal guy, I don't candy coat anything I say so don't assume I'm being sarcastic with you.

If that is literally true then I'd see a doctor. Variations in fitness on a daily basis are to be expected but regularly feeling terrible and unable to train even though you are physically fit sounds like a potentially serious health problem. You could be diabetic or something. Either that or you are overtraining and have no idea how to structure a proper training program.

Sigh.
It was a figure of speach man, rofl.
But seriously, everyone has there good days and bad days.
I run 5 laps around the philadelphia zoo every other day before I head to work then gym.
That's aobut 4 in a half miles roughly with some nasty up hills in the last stretch.
Some days I do it easily other days I feel it a little more than I'd want to. Every athlete goes through it. Hence the saying " i just didn't feel right today.." etc etc.

Its not like I can run one day then fall out the next, lol. It's just a "feeling" that just isn't the same as it is on good days, is all. Has alot to do with what I eat the night before aswell.

But whatever hopkins excuse for fatiguing while walking one day then remaining fresh while running another, we'll just all have to agree to disagree i guess. Because this is going no where.

I figured you were just exaggerating but then you made a point of saying 'no.. that's not sarcasm. I'm a very literal guy, I don't candy coat anything I say so don't assume I'm being sarcastic with you.' so I figured maybe you were being serious.

[intoccabile]

If that is literally true then I'd see a doctor. Variations in fitness on a daily basis are to be expected but regularly feeling terrible and unable to train even though you are physically fit sounds like a potentially serious health problem. You could be diabetic or something. Either that or you are overtraining and have no idea how to structure a proper training program.

Sigh.
It was a figure of speach man, rofl.
But seriously, everyone has there good days and bad days.
I run 5 laps around the philadelphia zoo every other day before I head to work then gym.
That's aobut 4 in a half miles roughly with some nasty up hills in the last stretch.
Some days I do it easily other days I feel it a little more than I'd want to. Every athlete goes through it. Hence the saying " i just didn't feel right today.." etc etc.

Its not like I can run one day then fall out the next, lol. It's just a "feeling" that just isn't the same as it is on good days, is all. Has alot to do with what I eat the night before aswell.

But whatever hopkins excuse for fatiguing while walking one day then remaining fresh while running another, we'll just all have to agree to disagree i guess. Because this is going no where.

I figured you were just exaggerating but then you made a point of saying 'no.. that's not sarcasm. I'm a very literal guy, I don't candy coat anything I say so don't assume I'm being sarcastic with you.' so I figured maybe you were being serious.

Ahh gotchya. i never looked at it that way -.-;
guess i should watch what i say lol

[The Fightfan]

Don't be an idiot. Did you not read what I said?
I didn't say Pavlik made bhop look better thus hopkins wasnt 100% versus Calzaghe.
I said Hopkins worked much harder last night then against Calzaghe without getting tired,
so it can be argued that his Cardio was better last night than in the calzaghe fight.
Meaning he wasn't as prepared.

Hopkins MADE Calzaghe look that bad, get over it. He looked like an amateur because of hopkins style. By "your" logic, and Calzaghe not being 100% for not looking as stellar versus previous opponents - you'd STILL be wrong.

Because NO ONE has ever looked good against bhop, who's had a longer career, so Cal fits right in.

Anyway - I'll repeat.
Hopkins Did more moving, Threw more punching, Clinched less (had less breaks).
Meaning he fought a much more active fight and actually did it for 12 rounds last night.

Against Calzaghe Hopkins didn't Throw as man, CLINCHED ALOT (rest), Didn't move as much, And even took breaks on low blows, more rest. But Was TIRED after the 7th round.

Do you see the point I'm trying to make yet? Hopkins, cardio-wise, was a superior fighter last night than against Calzaghe.. which hints he was probably not as prepared. Had he fought calzaghe with the gas tank he had last night, it would have been a more active fight.

Hopkins was in better shape for Pavlik than when he fought Calzaghe?

That explains why he totally outclassed and controlled a limited slow guy that didn't have the ability to hit him.. yet couldn't stay with a guy that constantly pressured him, throwing a million punches from all over the place.

Yeah.. I get ya. That makes perfect sense.

You really are an idiot, aren't you?
Calzaghe threw a zillion slaps and hardly any landed. Hopkins offense wasn't as active against Calzaghe, he didn't move as much as he did last night, he had more rests inside the clinch with calzaghe, and he even had time inbetween low blow counts to take a rest.

Last night he was more offensive, he moved more, he clinched less meaning he had less breaks and there were no time outs for low blows.

He did this for 12 rounds last night. for 12 rounds he exherted more energy than he did in the calzaghe fight, but was tired in 7 against calzaghe. What don't you understand?
Can someone with a brain reply to me please? I'm done.

Here.. i'll make this easy for you.
I JOG tomorrow and can only do a mile.
then RUN next week and can do 2 miles.

When was I in better shape?

I agree with you B-Hop seemed in much better condition against Pavlik. Hence the reason more punches were thrown against Pavlik. Simple

[richard (mossley)]

Hopkins was in better shape for Pavlik than when he fought Calzaghe?

That explains why he totally outclassed and controlled a limited slow guy that didn't have the ability to hit him.. yet couldn't stay with a guy that constantly pressured him, throwing a million punches from all over the place.

Yeah.. I get ya. That makes perfect sense.

You really are an idiot, aren't you?
Calzaghe threw a zillion slaps and hardly any landed. Hopkins offense wasn't as active against Calzaghe, he didn't move as much as he did last night, he had more rests inside the clinch with calzaghe, and he even had time inbetween low blow counts to take a rest.

Last night he was more offensive, he moved more, he clinched less meaning he had less breaks and there were no time outs for low blows.

He did this for 12 rounds last night. for 12 rounds he exherted more energy than he did in the calzaghe fight, but was tired in 7 against calzaghe. What don't you understand?
Can someone with a brain reply to me please? I'm done.

Here.. i'll make this easy for you.
I JOG tomorrow and can only do a mile.
then RUN next week and can do 2 miles.

When was I in better shape?

I agree with you B-Hop seemed in much better condition against Pavlik. Hence the reason more punches were thrown against Pavlik. Simple

Hopkins was in equally good condition against Calzaghe.

He landed more punches against Pavlik, because (i) Calzaghe skill/workrate would not allow Hopkins to work and (ii) Pavliks defense was shocking.