Oh dear, this is not shaping up nicely for the calzaghe haters!

[Majesty]

How does Hopkins winning have anything to do with Calzhage? I'm a Calzhage fan but can understand why he is hated; it's because of his fans. Why take one of Hopkins biggest wins and turn it into something about Calzhage? pathetic in my opinion.

Not pathetic in my opinion, nobody is taking anything away from Hopkins and rightly so. It's just the so called Calzaghe 'haters' would use Hopkins' age and failing fitness as an excuse for his loss to Joe.

Hopkins' win over Pavlik just puts everything into perspective.

Personally I think its laughabe that people say that it proves how good Joe is.


How can you compare Joe's style with Pavlik's?

Hopkins will always tear apart that kind of style.

And Calzaghe didn't look good against Hopkins either, it is debated.

All it showed was that calzaghe isn't complete crap and can fight but he barely skid by against Hopkins(who dropped him with the first right hand he threw too)

If he beats Jones it doesn't put him past either of them.

I don't see what you mean that just because Hopkins beat Pavlik means that Joe is great?? Only if you thought Pavlik would have beat Joe, which in itself is a stretch.

So I don't see what perspective it puts things in that Hopkins tore up a style like pavliks. A style that isn't half as active as Joes and goes in looking for one shot, compared to Joe who likes to get inside and throw lots of punches.

The difference is

against Pavlik

Hopkins was active when he wanted to be, because of the style Pavlik gave him

Against Joe

Hopkins was active because he had to be because Joe came in and pressed and threw combos.

Joe made Hopkins move a lot more throw a lot more when he didn't want to and push the fight more then Pavlik did.

Which is why you can't compare the styles of Pavlik and Joe enough to say "Hopkins beat Pavlik makes Calzaghe all time greatest of the generation"

Thats just silly.