Bute v. Andrade Poll

[awdleyfuturehalloffamer]

He may be limited but he still gets the job done when there is no cheating involved.

[CFH]

He may be limited but he still gets the job done when there is no cheating involved.

I don't disagree, except for the Kessler fight, but I do stand by the assertion that Andrade is pretty one dimensional.

[killersheep]

He may be limited but he still gets the job done when there is no cheating involved.

I don't disagree, except for the Kessler fight, but I do stand by the assertion that Andrade is pretty one dimensional.

Andrade does one thing, no matter how well he does it, it's just one thing.

Kessler was much more impressive against Andrade than Bute IMO.

[CFH]

He may be limited but he still gets the job done when there is no cheating involved.

I don't disagree, except for the Kessler fight, but I do stand by the assertion that Andrade is pretty one dimensional.

Andrade does one thing, no matter how well he does it, it's just one thing.

Kessler was much more impressive against Andrade than Bute IMO.

That's what I was saying. I like Andrade a lot, but as you say, he does one thing.

Kessler-Andrade was a boxing lesson on par with Winky-Tito, though the caliber of fighters was obviously different.

[CFH]

Interesting ESPN article about the fight.

ESPN - Lucian Bute defeats Librado Andrade, but questions remain

[DC Amateur Boxing]

Ok, sorry guys, but I fell asleep and only just watched this embarrasment to the sport. First of all, why would someone agree to a referee from the hometown of the fighter during a fight in this same hometown? Don't know. . .

I watched this over and over. . .

All I can say is that whoever was the timekeeper keeping the count was corrupt, but so was the ref. When the ref picked up the count, I was already a few seconds ahead of his count which was given by the timekeeper. Ok, maybe I started early. Let's assume that. But then how can the ref verbalize and show a 7 count and then tell Andrade "get back in that corner, get back in that corner" several times (even though he clearly was nowhere near the middle of the ring) only to then turn around, check with the ringside timekeeper and resume the count at 8!!! There were clearly 3-4 seconds gone as he told Andrade to get back. The count was clearly past 10 by the time the ref came back. This was so, so obviously a fix in the works that it was embarrassing to me as a sports fan, let alone boxing. Bute should be embarrassed too.

[Kev]

Interesting ESPN article about the fight.

ESPN - Lucian Bute defeats Librado Andrade, but questions remain

Interesting article and one which I think it pretty accurate.

Amidst all the cries of 'fix' and 'corruption!' it does need to be stated that Bute did indeed get up, he beat the count and would probably have hung on to his belt as there was no time left in the round.

I also completely and 100% disagree with anyone who says the fight should have been stopped, to stop Bute when he had beaten the count, after winning virtually all the preceeding rounds, and with around 5 seconds to go in the fight would have been an even greater farcical act of incompetence..

I think ultimately Andrade in not going and staying the neutral corner shares as much responsibility as the ref in the long count, the fact is if he had gone straight to the neutral corner and stayed there the ref wouldn't have delayed the count.

Like the ESPN analyst said the controversial nature of the ending will ensure Andrade's stock doesn't drop at all and he may yet get a rematch.

I don't think people should hate on Bute either. He completey outboxed Andrade for most of the fight and no matter what anyone says he DID get up before the count of 10 no matter when you start counting.

I just hope we can see them do it again

[DC Amateur Boxing]

Amidst all the cries of 'fix' and 'corruption!' it does need to be stated that Bute did indeed get up, he beat the count and would probably have hung on to his belt as there was no time left in the round.

I also completely and 100% disagree with anyone who says the fight should have been stopped, to stop Bute when he had beaten the count, after winning virtually all the preceeding rounds, and with around 5 seconds to go in the fight would have been an even greater farcical act of incompetence..

I think ultimately Andrade in not going and staying the neutral corner shares as much responsibility as the ref in the long count, the fact is if he had gone straight to the neutral corner and stayed there the ref wouldn't have delayed the count.

Where did you see Andrade not in the neurtral corner? Even when you start the count when Bute was down, the count was still slow when the ref picked up the count from the timekeeper. . .

[RozzySean]

Interesting ESPN article about the fight.

ESPN - Lucian Bute defeats Librado Andrade, but questions remain

Kimball can suck it.

No hate on Bute, but he got KTFO. There should be a rematch and it shouldn't be in Montreal.

[awdleyfuturehalloffamer]

He may have gotten up before 10 but he was out on his feet. He didn't know where he was, he used the ropes to prop up his body because he couldn't stand without them. If a fighter cannot continue then it's a tko. If there were at least 30 seconds left bute could have been killed in there. He was in la la land.

[#1FightFan]

unreal. i was so mad!!!!!
the canadian ref and whole darn setup was fixed.
1. he had bute hurt/wobbled a few times, but the ref gave him recovery time EVERY fucking time!!!!
2. the knokdown by bute was a push/trip!!!! no knockdown!
3. 12 rd was the worst ref'ing i ever saw. why was he yelling at andrade at all, he was in his corner doing nothing!!! that was sooo fixed.
the ref was a bad actor too!!! he got a payment under the table for sure.

felt bad for andrade, but bute was no chump, he was a good fighter.
i wanna slap that ref though...my god what a crooked idiot.

[Pacdbest2]

In the old days Bute survived. But in this new age He Andrade should be the winner by TKO. Rematch baby!!!

[#1FightFan]

unreal. i was so mad!!!!!
the canadian ref and whole darn setup was fixed.
1. he had bute hurt/wobbled a few times, but the ref gave him recovery time EVERY fucking time!!!!
2. the knokdown by bute was a push/trip!!!! no knockdown!
3. 12 rd was the worst ref'ing i ever saw. why was he yelling at andrade at all, he was in his corner doing nothing!!! that was sooo fixed.
the ref was a bad actor too!!! he got a payment under the table for sure.

felt bad for andrade, but bute was no chump, he was a good fighter.
i wanna slap that ref though...my god what a crooked idiot.

[Kev]

unreal. i was so mad!!!!!
the canadian ref and whole darn setup was fixed.
1. he had bute hurt/wobbled a few times, but the ref gave him recovery time EVERY fucking time!!!!
2. the knokdown by bute was a push/trip!!!! no knockdown!
3. 12 rd was the worst ref'ing i ever saw. why was he yelling at andrade at all, he was in his corner doing nothing!!! that was sooo fixed.
the ref was a bad actor too!!! he got a payment under the table for sure.

felt bad for andrade, but bute was no chump, he was a good fighter.
i wanna slap that ref though...my god what a crooked idiot.

It very much reminded me of the second Marcus Beyer Danny Green fight.

Beyer was a decent technical fighter whereas Green was a big puncher with a decent chin. For 11 rounds Green tried to box Beyer and lost virtually every round.

When he finally stepped it up he almost ktfo Beyer.

I think Bute will prove to be like Beyer and Andrade is very much like Green, although probably not as good a boxer.

I'd love to see a rematch. I really don't know if second time around Bute would fight smarter and avoid exchanges thus winning easily or if Andrade knowing he can hurt Bute whilst not being hurt himself will just relentlessly go for the knockout and batter the shit out of him.

Either way they really should fight again.

[montsegur1234]

A few points:

- Interesting fact: Marlon B. Wright, the referee for the fight, is a personal friend of Howard Grant's (Montreal native), Andrade's trainer.

- The fight result is very controversial in Montreal. On Montreal Talk Radio, a majority of listeners say Andrade was robbed. A caller said it was the most egregious boxing outcome he ever saw.

- A boxer must go to the neutral corner when his opponent is on the ground as result of a punch. He told Andrade to go to the neutral corner three times.