~ A Message to Referee Marlon B. Wright ~ (Ref. for Andrade-Bute)

[Dark Lord Al]

Looked to me like his shouting and pointing was a load of bullshit to make a name for himself.

im with you on this one MICK

FUCK YOU MARLON B WRIGHT !!

[thewhale]

Bute did not know where he was, he was gone and in my book Andrade won clearly. He god robbed big time, but I rank Andrade over Bute now untill a rematch has taken place.

And in all fairness it is irrelevent that Bute was ahead on points since you cant win on point if you are knocked out

[Fenster]

Blimey!

Bute has had a right touch there. I would bet the MAJORITY of the worlds refs would have stopped that fight BEFORE the knockdown. Bute couldn't defend himself.

Unlucky Andrade.

[Kev]

Blimey!

Bute has had a right touch there. I would bet the MAJORITY of the worlds refs would have stopped that fight BEFORE the knockdown. Bute couldn't defend himself.

Unlucky Andrade.

No they wouldn't, he had only seconds to go in the fight. He beat the count, he got he to his feet and was saved by the bell.

I don't believe many ref's would have stopped it given the circumstances and the fact that the fight was so clearly in the bag for Bute.

You cannot seriously tell me that Bute deserved to be stopped any more than Pavlik did against Taylor.



http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ARs8axyaDz0


Look at this video above Fenster. There were 3 SECONDS to go when Bute fell to the floor, so all he had to do was get up. Where in the preceeding seconds would you have stopped it if you were reffing. Watch the vid above and tell me where on the seconds you would have stopped it. Because I can't see anywhere to stop it at all.


Now watch the Pavlik knockdown by Jermain Taylor and tell me how he was in any less trouble than Bute, given the fact that it was only the second round and he had 10 rounds to survive rather than Bute who had about 5 seconds.

It would have been a complete travesty to have stopped the Bute fight imo.


http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=G0YCdjomoqQ

[Fenster]

OK, maybe not the majority, but many refs would have stopped it inside the last 20 seconds. Bute barely has the strength to lift his arms, he can't even hold and his legs are totally gone.

The ref is supposed to be impartial. He isn't allowed to take the time of the round or the fact that one fighter has dominated into account. That would be showing favouritism and also be a danger to hurt fighters.

I guess Andrade is mainly unlucky with the time. Bute could clearly not continue (although he rightfully won according to the rules). He may well have fallen if asked to walk forward.

[Kev]

OK, maybe not the majority, but many refs would have stopped it inside the last 20 seconds. Bute barely has the strength to lift his arms, he can't even hold and his legs are totally gone.

The ref is supposed to be impartial. He isn't allowed to take the time of the round or the fact that one fighter has dominated into account. That would be showing favouritism and also be a danger to hurt fighters.

I guess Andrade is mainly unlucky with the time. Bute could clearly not continue (although he rightfully won according to the rules). He may well have fallen if asked to walk forward.

But being serious for a minute Fenster. Imagine if Bute had made the count, (which he did) and then the ref waved the fight off becuase he felt he couldn't continue even though there was no time left in the fight. It would be a travesty.

I cannot understand how people can argue that under their strict interperations of the rules the ref should have stopped the fight at 0 seconds remaining becuase Bute looked done, but that the ref was wrong to strictly imply the rules of making Andrade stand in the neutral corner before he made that count.

Let's have some consistency here, people want an ultra strict no personal judgement application of one rule, whilst arguing for a more liberal, less harsh and more common sense application of another, makes no damn sense to be

Plus I disagree that Bute was in no condition to continue. Had there been another minute in the fight, as he made the 10 count I would have let him fight on, albiet he would almost certainly get ko'd seconds later unless he could tie up and wrestle Andrade to the floor but I've seen fighters more unsteady on their feet get up and be offered another chance by the ref that that.

Given the fact that he only had to stand up and beat the count to win, it would be completely farcical to have counted him out when he clearly beat the count imo.

[Fenster]

OK, maybe not the majority, but many refs would have stopped it inside the last 20 seconds. Bute barely has the strength to lift his arms, he can't even hold and his legs are totally gone.

The ref is supposed to be impartial. He isn't allowed to take the time of the round or the fact that one fighter has dominated into account. That would be showing favouritism and also be a danger to hurt fighters.

I guess Andrade is mainly unlucky with the time. Bute could clearly not continue (although he rightfully won according to the rules). He may well have fallen if asked to walk forward.

But being serious for a minute Fenster. Imagine if Bute had made the count, (which he did) and then the ref waved the fight off becuase he felt he couldn't continue even though there was no time left in the fight. It would be a travesty.

I cannot understand how people can argue that under their strict interperations of the rules the ref should have stopped the fight at 0 seconds remaining becuase Bute looked done, but that the ref was wrong to strictly imply the rules of making Andrade stand in the neutral corner before he made that count.

Let's have some consistency here, people want an ultra strict no personal judgement application of one rule, whilst arguing for a more liberal, less harsh and more common sense application of another, makes no damn sense to be

Plus I disagree that Bute was in no condition to continue. Had there been another minute in the fight, as he made the 10 count I would have let him fight on, albiet he would almost certainly get ko'd seconds later unless he could tie up and wrestle Andrade to the floor but I've seen fighters more unsteady on their feet get up and be offered another chance by the ref that that.

Given the fact that he only had to stand up and beat the count to win, it would be completely farcical to have counted him out when he clearly beat the count imo.

I agree Bute won fairly (according to the rules). He beat the count, he got to his feet, which going by the rules means he finished the fight.

But I believe Bute was lucky because there's a case for the fight being stopped before the knockdown. I'm not saying that would have been the correct decision, just a possibility (and would have caused even bigger disagreements ).

There's NO WAY he was in a state to continue. He could barely get to his corner.