~ A Message to Referee Marlon B. Wright ~ (Ref. for Andrade-Bute)

[ICB]

I think they should revisit how a ref is appointed.It really screams of favoritism for the home town fighter,Bute.Wright had worked Bute's last 5 fights in a row.....quite a bit of recent "Familiarity" between the two in that.

Bute should have been made to take multiple steps forward even with the round over, Ref clearly would have stopped the fight seeing Bute stumble or fall to him.Have to go dig up that Hilton/Quellette fight they talked about...same situation I believe??Hope Andrade gets his rematch now,start out fierce.

It wouldn't have made a difference even if the ref, wouldn't of told Andrade off about not being in the neutral corner. Thats irrelvant because the fight was over time wise, at that point it was only the ref's decision that mattered whether or not he felt the fight should be stopped. Not whether or not Andrade could stop Bute because he couldn't because the time was over.

Bute pulled himself at the count of 8 up like a true champion, and all he had to do was stand up and he did. He won almost every single round and he deserved to win, i think the controversy is overrated IMO, i think it would of been more of an injustice if Andrade would of won.

[CFH]

The hyperbole in this thread is ridiculous.

IBF rules:
6. The bell will not save a boxer in any round of the bout. If a boxer is "downed" just before the 3-minute bell in any round, the referee's count shall continue and the bell will not ring until the boxer rises and his hands clear the floor.

The more I think about it, regardless of the bias been shown through out the fight (which I agree was present), the ref did the right thing. No way the fight should've been stopped at the end. I do want to see a rematch asap though, on neutral territory.

[awdleyfuturehalloffamer]

but the fighter has to be able to continue, he cannot be saved by the bell even if being held up by the ropes. It's the ref's decision, i agree with that, I just don't agree that bute could have continued. The bell cannot save him in any round.

[Spicoli]

I think they should revisit how a ref is appointed.It really screams of favoritism for the home town fighter,Bute.Wright had worked Bute's last 5 fights in a row.....quite a bit of recent "Familiarity" between the two in that.

Bute should have been made to take multiple steps forward even with the round over, Ref clearly would have stopped the fight seeing Bute stumble or fall to him.Have to go dig up that Hilton/Quellette fight they talked about...same situation I believe??Hope Andrade gets his rematch now,start out fierce.

It wouldn't have made a difference even if the ref, wouldn't of told Andrade off about not being in the neutral corner. Thats irrelvant because the fight was over time wise, at that point it was only the ref's decision that mattered whether or not he felt the fight should be stopped. Not whether or not Andrade could stop Bute because he couldn't because the time was over.

Bute pulled himself at the count of 8 up like a true champion, and all he had to do was stand up and he did. He won almost every single round and he deserved to win, i think the controversy is overrated IMO, i think it would of been more of an injustice if Andrade would of won.

Pretty much stated as much on a prior page in this one,looking at it from other side.As much of an absolute shit job the ref did ...and he was shit & biased...Bute beat the count.I can not fathom ruling a fighter KO'd literally after time has expired,but it has happened!What is the ref deciding he or she can continue on with?? The fight is over,out of time.Ive seen fights in which the bell rings in final round after a fighter is floored,they have to beat the count.And some do not sound the bell in same situation.This fight has messed me up,badly.Their was a similar fight on FNF's a few months ago,final second KD on Kevin Burnett of last round,the bell sounded as time was over and he had to rise up...He was wobbly and KO'd where he stood but they awarded him a Dec. victory.He had no idea what his own name was.

That being said the ref was terrible,not calling the hugging,ruling a BS knockdown on Andrade,standing in between them with exaggerated breaks,etc.Clear favoritism.Just make a rematch already...in the States...and make it 15 rounds .

[No Contest]

The bell already rang right as the count began. Bute got up at around 6-7 regardless of the ref stopping to waste more time, ref shouldn't stop it if the guy got up and could put his hands up. Bute beat the count IMO. Barely hung in there. He definately needs to rematch Andrade because its not a convincing win due to the last round.

[amat]

It seems a bit startling that Wright has reffed so many of Bute's fights recently but no different then Vann and Parriss reffing almost every single Hatton fight in England.

The count was BS, I haven't taken a timer to it but it's just stupid to do, it was very bizarre and I don't know who would have won but we at least deserved an honest count.

[Dark Lord Al]

Looked to me like his shouting and pointing was a load of bullshit to make a name for himself.

im with you on this one MICK

FUCK YOU MARLON B WRIGHT !!

[thewhale]

Bute did not know where he was, he was gone and in my book Andrade won clearly. He god robbed big time, but I rank Andrade over Bute now untill a rematch has taken place.

And in all fairness it is irrelevent that Bute was ahead on points since you cant win on point if you are knocked out

[Fenster]

Blimey!

Bute has had a right touch there. I would bet the MAJORITY of the worlds refs would have stopped that fight BEFORE the knockdown. Bute couldn't defend himself.

Unlucky Andrade.

[Kev]

Blimey!

Bute has had a right touch there. I would bet the MAJORITY of the worlds refs would have stopped that fight BEFORE the knockdown. Bute couldn't defend himself.

Unlucky Andrade.

No they wouldn't, he had only seconds to go in the fight. He beat the count, he got he to his feet and was saved by the bell.

I don't believe many ref's would have stopped it given the circumstances and the fact that the fight was so clearly in the bag for Bute.

You cannot seriously tell me that Bute deserved to be stopped any more than Pavlik did against Taylor.



http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ARs8axyaDz0


Look at this video above Fenster. There were 3 SECONDS to go when Bute fell to the floor, so all he had to do was get up. Where in the preceeding seconds would you have stopped it if you were reffing. Watch the vid above and tell me where on the seconds you would have stopped it. Because I can't see anywhere to stop it at all.


Now watch the Pavlik knockdown by Jermain Taylor and tell me how he was in any less trouble than Bute, given the fact that it was only the second round and he had 10 rounds to survive rather than Bute who had about 5 seconds.

It would have been a complete travesty to have stopped the Bute fight imo.


http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=G0YCdjomoqQ

[Fenster]

OK, maybe not the majority, but many refs would have stopped it inside the last 20 seconds. Bute barely has the strength to lift his arms, he can't even hold and his legs are totally gone.

The ref is supposed to be impartial. He isn't allowed to take the time of the round or the fact that one fighter has dominated into account. That would be showing favouritism and also be a danger to hurt fighters.

I guess Andrade is mainly unlucky with the time. Bute could clearly not continue (although he rightfully won according to the rules). He may well have fallen if asked to walk forward.

[Kev]

OK, maybe not the majority, but many refs would have stopped it inside the last 20 seconds. Bute barely has the strength to lift his arms, he can't even hold and his legs are totally gone.

The ref is supposed to be impartial. He isn't allowed to take the time of the round or the fact that one fighter has dominated into account. That would be showing favouritism and also be a danger to hurt fighters.

I guess Andrade is mainly unlucky with the time. Bute could clearly not continue (although he rightfully won according to the rules). He may well have fallen if asked to walk forward.

But being serious for a minute Fenster. Imagine if Bute had made the count, (which he did) and then the ref waved the fight off becuase he felt he couldn't continue even though there was no time left in the fight. It would be a travesty.

I cannot understand how people can argue that under their strict interperations of the rules the ref should have stopped the fight at 0 seconds remaining becuase Bute looked done, but that the ref was wrong to strictly imply the rules of making Andrade stand in the neutral corner before he made that count.

Let's have some consistency here, people want an ultra strict no personal judgement application of one rule, whilst arguing for a more liberal, less harsh and more common sense application of another, makes no damn sense to be

Plus I disagree that Bute was in no condition to continue. Had there been another minute in the fight, as he made the 10 count I would have let him fight on, albiet he would almost certainly get ko'd seconds later unless he could tie up and wrestle Andrade to the floor but I've seen fighters more unsteady on their feet get up and be offered another chance by the ref that that.

Given the fact that he only had to stand up and beat the count to win, it would be completely farcical to have counted him out when he clearly beat the count imo.

[Fenster]

OK, maybe not the majority, but many refs would have stopped it inside the last 20 seconds. Bute barely has the strength to lift his arms, he can't even hold and his legs are totally gone.

The ref is supposed to be impartial. He isn't allowed to take the time of the round or the fact that one fighter has dominated into account. That would be showing favouritism and also be a danger to hurt fighters.

I guess Andrade is mainly unlucky with the time. Bute could clearly not continue (although he rightfully won according to the rules). He may well have fallen if asked to walk forward.

But being serious for a minute Fenster. Imagine if Bute had made the count, (which he did) and then the ref waved the fight off becuase he felt he couldn't continue even though there was no time left in the fight. It would be a travesty.

I cannot understand how people can argue that under their strict interperations of the rules the ref should have stopped the fight at 0 seconds remaining becuase Bute looked done, but that the ref was wrong to strictly imply the rules of making Andrade stand in the neutral corner before he made that count.

Let's have some consistency here, people want an ultra strict no personal judgement application of one rule, whilst arguing for a more liberal, less harsh and more common sense application of another, makes no damn sense to be

Plus I disagree that Bute was in no condition to continue. Had there been another minute in the fight, as he made the 10 count I would have let him fight on, albiet he would almost certainly get ko'd seconds later unless he could tie up and wrestle Andrade to the floor but I've seen fighters more unsteady on their feet get up and be offered another chance by the ref that that.

Given the fact that he only had to stand up and beat the count to win, it would be completely farcical to have counted him out when he clearly beat the count imo.

I agree Bute won fairly (according to the rules). He beat the count, he got to his feet, which going by the rules means he finished the fight.

But I believe Bute was lucky because there's a case for the fight being stopped before the knockdown. I'm not saying that would have been the correct decision, just a possibility (and would have caused even bigger disagreements ).

There's NO WAY he was in a state to continue. He could barely get to his corner.

[ICB]

OK, maybe not the majority, but many refs would have stopped it inside the last 20 seconds. Bute barely has the strength to lift his arms, he can't even hold and his legs are totally gone.

The ref is supposed to be impartial. He isn't allowed to take the time of the round or the fact that one fighter has dominated into account. That would be showing favouritism and also be a danger to hurt fighters.

I guess Andrade is mainly unlucky with the time. Bute could clearly not continue (although he rightfully won according to the rules). He may well have fallen if asked to walk forward.

But being serious for a minute Fenster. Imagine if Bute had made the count, (which he did) and then the ref waved the fight off becuase he felt he couldn't continue even though there was no time left in the fight. It would be a travesty.

I cannot understand how people can argue that under their strict interperations of the rules the ref should have stopped the fight at 0 seconds remaining becuase Bute looked done, but that the ref was wrong to strictly imply the rules of making Andrade stand in the neutral corner before he made that count.

Let's have some consistency here, people want an ultra strict no personal judgement application of one rule, whilst arguing for a more liberal, less harsh and more common sense application of another, makes no damn sense to be

Plus I disagree that Bute was in no condition to continue. Had there been another minute in the fight, as he made the 10 count I would have let him fight on, albiet he would almost certainly get ko'd seconds later unless he could tie up and wrestle Andrade to the floor but I've seen fighters more unsteady on their feet get up and be offered another chance by the ref that that.

Given the fact that he only had to stand up and beat the count to win, it would be completely farcical to have counted him out when he clearly beat the count imo.

I agree Bute won fairly (according to the rules). He beat the count, he got to his feet, which going by the rules means he finished the fight.

But I believe Bute was lucky because there's a case for the fight being stopped before the knockdown. I'm not saying that would have been the correct decision, just a possibility (and would have caused even bigger disagreements ).

There's NO WAY he was in a state to continue. He could barely get to his corner.

Lucian Bute would win a rematch no doubt in my mind, he just made a mistake exchanging punches in the last round.

[ArawakWarria]

Two things...

You will NEVER see Bute fight in a location where they can't make everything perfect for his victory (i.e ref, crowd and everything in his favor).

If he DARES to challenge any other champion or top 10 boxer, he will lose by KO.

That's all I have to say, because it is now obvious why this guy fought 75% of his fights in one place.

What an embarrassment. As Farhood said on the broadcast, "This was an amateurish move during a professional championship fight."