Joe Calzaghe under the micoscope

[Kev]

If he beats Roy Jones of course he'll have the record of an all time great.

Who else in the world would hold two wins over the best two American fighters in these weight classes in the past 20 years?

I can't understand the hatred that Calzaghe endures.

He has the best record of any fighter currently fighting imo in that he never lost a fight. With Floyd retired Calzaghe is now unique in that regard, he's on the verge of doing what no other fighter (apart from Marciano) will have dont, that is go through an entire career, clean up your division and beat everybody.

You don't rate his opposition but let's compare him with other all time greats.

Who did Rocky Marciano beat to become an all time great?

Well he had that great come from behind win over Jersey Joe Woolcott, the Frank Bruno of his era, a guy who won a world title on his 5h attempt or something and who was around 56 years old when Marciano fought him.

He beat Le Starva and Ezzard Charles, oh and the ancient Archie Moore.

You really think Woolcott, Le Starza, Charles and Moore is better than Eubank, Kessler, Lacy, Hopkins and Jones?

Calzaghe is a first ballot hall of famer no question, and his career isn't over yet, he's still adding to his legacy.

[kingfrnk]

If he beats Roy Jones of course he'll have the record of an all time great.

Who else in the world would hold two wins over the best two American fighters in these weight classes in the past 20 years?

I can't understand the hatred that Calzaghe endures.

He has the best record of any fighter currently fighting imo in that he never lost a fight. With Floyd retired Calzaghe is now unique in that regard, he's on the verge of doing what no other fighter (apart from Marciano) will have dont, that is go through an entire career, clean up your division and beat everybody.

You don't rate his opposition but let's compare him with other all time greats.

Who did Rocky Marciano beat to become an all time great?

Well he had that great come from behind win over Jersey Joe Woolcott, the Frank Bruno of his era, a guy who won a world title on his 5h attempt or something and who was around 56 years old when Marciano fought him.

He beat Le Starva and Ezzard Charles, oh and the ancient Archie Moore.

You really think Woolcott, Le Starza, Charles and Moore is better than Eubank, Kessler, Lacy, Hopkins and Jones?

Calzaghe is a first ballot hall of famer no question, and his career isn't over yet, he's still adding to his legacy.

i think thats kinda stupid wats in bold. tarver was the first man to ko roy do you think he will be in the HOF. i dont think so.

[Kev]

If he beats Roy Jones of course he'll have the record of an all time great.

Who else in the world would hold two wins over the best two American fighters in these weight classes in the past 20 years?

I can't understand the hatred that Calzaghe endures.

He has the best record of any fighter currently fighting imo in that he never lost a fight. With Floyd retired Calzaghe is now unique in that regard, he's on the verge of doing what no other fighter (apart from Marciano) will have dont, that is go through an entire career, clean up your division and beat everybody.

You don't rate his opposition but let's compare him with other all time greats.

Who did Rocky Marciano beat to become an all time great?

Well he had that great come from behind win over Jersey Joe Woolcott, the Frank Bruno of his era, a guy who won a world title on his 5h attempt or something and who was around 56 years old when Marciano fought him.

He beat Le Starva and Ezzard Charles, oh and the ancient Archie Moore.

You really think Woolcott, Le Starza, Charles and Moore is better than Eubank, Kessler, Lacy, Hopkins and Jones?

Calzaghe is a first ballot hall of famer no question, and his career isn't over yet, he's still adding to his legacy.

i think thats kinda stupid wats in bold. tarver was the first man to ko roy do you think he will be in the HOF. i dont think so.

Yes but Tarver wasn't the longest reigning undefeated light heavy for over a decade was he? Tarver hasn't made the second most title defenses of any boxer in history has he? Tarver didn't get presented the Ring belt for being the greatest supper middleweight of all time did he?

Tarver didn't do to well against Bernard Hopkins did he?

Tarver has lost several fights, Jones, Johnson, Harding, Dawson, Calzaghe has lost never.

I wasn't saying that a Calzaghe win over Jones was enough by itself to make him a great, I meant its the icing on the cake, the victory that will finish his career and lead to him being a first ballot hall of famer.


Oh and by the way you are wrong about Tarver not being great. True he's not an elite fighter on the level of Hopkins and Jones. But he IS one of the best light heavyweights of the last decade. Wins over Jones, Glen Johnson, Eric Harding, Clinton Woods, Montell Griffin probably place him in the top 3 or 4 best light heavyweights of the last 10 years whether you like him or not.

And his wins over Roy Jones were HUGE in establishing that legacy. They gave him international fame, made him one of boxings most recognisable faces and even got him a part in a Rocky movie

For any fighter in the middleweight to light heavyweight divisions there are no bigger victories to have on your record than Roy Jones and Bernard Hopkins.

If Calzaghe beats Jones he will have both, and be the only man in the world to do so.

[Kev]

If he beats Roy Jones of course he'll have the record of an all time great.

Who else in the world would hold two wins over the best two American fighters in these weight classes in the past 20 years?

I can't understand the hatred that Calzaghe endures.

He has the best record of any fighter currently fighting imo in that he never lost a fight. With Floyd retired Calzaghe is now unique in that regard, he's on the verge of doing what no other fighter (apart from Marciano) will have dont, that is go through an entire career, clean up your division and beat everybody.

You don't rate his opposition but let's compare him with other all time greats.

Who did Rocky Marciano beat to become an all time great?

Well he had that great come from behind win over Jersey Joe Woolcott, the Frank Bruno of his era, a guy who won a world title on his 5h attempt or something and who was around 56 years old when Marciano fought him.

He beat Le Starva and Ezzard Charles, oh and the ancient Archie Moore.

You really think Woolcott, Le Starza, Charles and Moore is better than Eubank, Kessler, Lacy, Hopkins and Jones?

Calzaghe is a first ballot hall of famer no question, and his career isn't over yet, he's still adding to his legacy.

i think thats kinda stupid wats in bold. tarver was the first man to ko roy do you think he will be in the HOF. i dont think so.

Oh and let me also say this. If Tarver had beaten B Hop he WOULD have made the Hall of Fame no question. Even beating Chad Dawson may have been enough to secure him a spot. He has lost some of his key fights which may well bar him entry into the HOF but you seriously think had he beaten Hopkins as well that he would not be close to being a HOF fighter? That's just hatred for Tarver.

If Calzaghe beats Roy Jones he's secured himself a place in the Hall of Fame without any doubt whatsoever.

In fact even if he loses to Jones he'll still almost certainly get in

[QUISQUEYA]

Joe Calzaghe is overrated beyond belief. IMO, he is not a Hall of Famer.

[Dark Lord Al]

Kessler - Hopkins - Roy Jones JR
that makes him an all time great ?, cos the rest of it is pretty crappy to me.

[Kev]

Kessler - Hopkins - Roy Jones JR
that makes him an all time great ?, cos the rest of it is pretty crappy to me.

Ok run off Hopkins wins that make him an all time great.

Then run off Jones wins that make him an all time great.

Then run off Oscar De La Hoyas wins that make him an all time great.

Then Felix Trinidad.

Then Floyd Mayweather.


Thanks

[Drago]

yo dark lord u done your homework so respect there man, but as already mentioned look at some of the ATG defences & they are more suspect.

take tyson anyone he wasnt almost certain to beat, beat him

[Fenster]

That looks an impressive record by anyone standards.

He's beaten an all-time great fighter (Hopkins) and a great supermiddle (Eubank), unified against a couple of unbeaten prime fighters (Kessler and Lacy), beaten a handful of proven "world" champs (Reid, Brewer, Woodhall, Mitchell), beaten a handful of young hungry/tough contenders (Sheika, Veit, Bika, Starie) and totally outclassed some mediocre opposition.

How many fighters, over the past 10 years, around Calzaghe's weight-class, would also be UNBEATEN against that lot?

[Andre]

That looks an impressive record by anyone standards.

He's beaten an all-time great fighter (Hopkins) and a great supermiddle (Eubank), unified against a couple of unbeaten prime fighters (Kessler and Lacy), beaten a handful of proven "world" champs (Reid, Brewer, Woodhall, Mitchell), beaten a handful of young hungry/tough contenders (Sheika, Veit, Bika, Starie) and totally outclassed some mediocre opposition.

How many fighters, over the past 10 years, around Calzaghe's weight-class, would also be UNBEATEN against that lot?

Sven Okkte.

[Fenster]

That looks an impressive record by anyone standards.

He's beaten an all-time great fighter (Hopkins) and a great supermiddle (Eubank), unified against a couple of unbeaten prime fighters (Kessler and Lacy), beaten a handful of proven "world" champs (Reid, Brewer, Woodhall, Mitchell), beaten a handful of young hungry/tough contenders (Sheika, Veit, Bika, Starie) and totally outclassed some mediocre opposition.

How many fighters, over the past 10 years, around Calzaghe's weight-class, would also be UNBEATEN against that lot?

Sven Okkte.

Reid was very unlucky not to beat him (shocking ref). Brewer and Mitchell had arguable losses. I don't see him beating Hopkins, Eubank or Kessler. Starie gave him a close-ish fight.

Very slim chance, Andre, Ottke would have remained unbeaten through that level of opposition.

[Andre]

That looks an impressive record by anyone standards.

He's beaten an all-time great fighter (Hopkins) and a great supermiddle (Eubank), unified against a couple of unbeaten prime fighters (Kessler and Lacy), beaten a handful of proven "world" champs (Reid, Brewer, Woodhall, Mitchell), beaten a handful of young hungry/tough contenders (Sheika, Veit, Bika, Starie) and totally outclassed some mediocre opposition.

How many fighters, over the past 10 years, around Calzaghe's weight-class, would also be UNBEATEN against that lot?

Sven Okkte.

Reid was very unlucky not to beat him (shocking ref). Brewer and Mitchell had arguable losses. I don't see him beating Hopkins, Eubank or Kessler. Starie gave him a close-ish fight.

Very slim chance, Andre, Ottke would have remained unbeaten through that level of opposition.

I did wink and smile after the comment.

Although he was a very tight fighter that just had answers out of his one dimensional boring fight style. Styles make fights, they also muck them up and guess who was a master at it.
When he did mess up in the ring, the home team refs had his back. Someone (we will blame the usual promoter) should have tried to lure him $$$ over to England for a good old school whooping then.