"Fighter of the Decade" Rankings

[ArawakWarria]

Interesting question.

Guys like Winky, JM Marquez, just finish outside those above imo. although maybe Winky deserves to make the top 10, not sure. Wins over Mosely and Trinidad are obviously huge.

Don't forget Winky's draw (win, IMO) vs. Taylor. Jermain has also been a top fighter in this decade, and only the Pavlik KO soils his record.

Q, You get one up and one down.

Winky is definietly one of the best, and the fact that his only two losses in this time (Vargas & Hopkins) were highly controversial. I will also say that Bernard Hopkins has either dominated his opponent or lost by a very close decision in all of his fights since 2000. He took on all comers below and above him.

Jermain Taylor Are you kidding me? Name someone of note that he fought at MWT without Hopkins or Pavlik... don't worry, I'll wait. He was pumped up by the fact that he was an Olympian and promoted by DiBella. Look at his opponents; Ouma, Spinks, Eduoard, Bunema and even Winky were all SuWelts, and out of that record, I would say he was 2-1-2. Just look at the recent Bute fight, and you will see what I mean about the quality of his wins... And I still say he lost one and drew one against Hopkins!

[Kev]

Interesting question.

Guys like Winky, JM Marquez, just finish outside those above imo. although maybe Winky deserves to make the top 10, not sure. Wins over Mosely and Trinidad are obviously huge.

Don't forget Winky's draw (win, IMO) vs. Taylor. Jermain has also been a top fighter in this decade, and only the Pavlik KO soils his record.

Q, You get one up and one down.

Winky is definietly one of the best, and the fact that his only two losses in this time (Vargas & Hopkins) were highly controversial. I will also say that Bernard Hopkins has either dominated his opponent or lost by a very close decision in all of his fights since 2000. He took on all comers below and above him.

Jermain Taylor Are you kidding me? Name someone of note that he fought at MWT without Hopkins or Pavlik... don't worry, I'll wait. He was pumped up by the fact that he was an Olympian and promoted by DiBella. Look at his opponents; Ouma, Spinks, Eduoard, Bunema and even Winky were all SuWelts, and out of that record, I would say he was 2-1-2. Just look at the recent Bute fight, and you will see what I mean about the quality of his wins... And I still say he lost one and drew one against Hopkins!

I agree Taylor is nowhere near the top 10 of the decade but I took the poster to mean that it was still a good result for Winky, which I agree it was.

Winky was very unlucky not to win that fight. Winky is borderline top 10 definitely, trouble is of the other 11 I mentioned I don't know who I'd drop to include him.

For the record guys like Cotto, Vazquez, Margarito, whilst being very good fighters don't make the top 10 either.

[ArawakWarria]

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For the record guys like Cotto, Vazquez, Margarito, whilst being very good fighters don't make the top 10 either.

Please recognize that Cotto is definitely one of the best of this decade.
Margarito
Mosley
Zab
Quintana
Malignaggi
Branco
N'Dou
Corley
Bailey
Moussa
Cesar Bazan
Justin Juuko
and one loss among this entire group?

These were all fought this decade... and only the last two were NOT Championship fights. Give the man some credit.

[Kev]

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Please recognize that Cotto is definitely one of the best of this decade.
Margarito
Mosley
Zab
Quintana
Malignaggi
Branco
N'Dou
Corley
Bailey
Moussa
Cesar Bazan
Justin Juuko
and one loss among this entire group?

These were all fought this decade... and only the last two were NOT Championship fights. Give the man some credit.

I do credit him mate it's just he's not a top 10 fighter. He's never even been the number one fighter in his division. At 140 he was rated behind Hatton and at 147 he's behind Floyd, Margarito and Williams.

If you put him in the top 10 of the last decade you have to take somebody out, and who would of the following would you drop to make way for him?


Mayweather
Jones Jr
Hopkins
Pacquaio
Barrera
Morales
Calzaghe
Lennox Lewis
Winky
Trinidad
Mosely
De La Hoya
Toney

I wouldn't put Cotto above any of them. Maybe if we are counting a decade as being this decade, i,e starting at 2000 rather than a ten year decade, i.e 1998 you could put him above a couple but certainly for me he doesn't make the top 10.

He never unified a division, he never became THE man in any division, he lost his most important fight by a devastating KO.

He doesn't rate above the others mentioned, not even close imo.

[ArawakWarria]

Now for the actual numbers...

If you are going to rate the best of the decade, you definitely have to give credence to the undefeated's, especiallly if they were champions through that time.

1. Joe Calzaghe
2. Floyd Mayweather
3. Bernard Hopkins
4. Winky Wright
5. Manny Pacquiao
6. Juan Manuel Marquez
7. Shane Mosely
8. Miguel Cotto
9. Erik Morales
10. Antonio Margarito

*Like Hopkins, JMMarquez and Winky have never been beaten soundly in a fight. It has been too close to call, and then it went the other way or drew against top 5 opponents.
*Margarito made 10th because I believe he is in his prime and will do very well over the next year or two.

Honorable mention:
Lennox Lewis-who is still better than all of the HW's out here, but retired too soon to be ranked for the decade.

Ivan Calderon & Chris John-who are undefeated, but need the opposition to earn the rankings

Roy Jones, Jr-still one of the best who ever did it, he definitely has not been strong this decade with losses and few big name opponents. This Calzhaghe fight could literally wipe all of that away... Stay tuned.

[QUISQUEYA]

Now for the actual numbers...

If you are going to rate the best of the decade, you definitely have to give credence to the undefeated's, especiallly if they were champions through that time.

1. Joe Calzaghe
2. Floyd Mayweather
3. Bernard Hopkins
4. Winky Wright
5. Manny Pacquiao
6. Juan Manuel Marquez
7. Shane Mosely
8. Miguel Cotto
9. Erik Morales
10. Antonio Margarito

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Arawak,

I find it, er, "curious" that you would belittle me saying that Jermain Taylor is 'a top fighter' and then you list Joe Calzaghe above Mayweather.

FMJ was on the p4p list for a decade, and at the #1 slot for four years. Has Joe ever been the Ring Mag p4p #1?

FMJ beat top fighters across FIVE different weight classes. Joe recently entered his second weight class, and few were impressed by that performance. Yes, I know. Nobody looks good vs. B-Hop. But still.

I'm going to need your help here: what has Calzaghe accomplished that Mayweather did not?

[C-Lo]

Now for the actual numbers...

If you are going to rate the best of the decade, you definitely have to give credence to the undefeated's, especiallly if they were champions through that time.

1. Joe Calzaghe
2. Floyd Mayweather
3. Bernard Hopkins
4. Winky Wright
5. Manny Pacquiao
6. Juan Manuel Marquez
7. Shane Mosely
8. Miguel Cotto
9. Erik Morales
10. Antonio Margarito

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Arawak,

I find it, er, "curious" that you would belittle me saying that Jermain Taylor is 'a top fighter' and then you list Joe Calzaghe above Mayweather.

FMJ was on the p4p list for a decade, and at the #1 slot for four years. Has Joe ever been the Ring Mag p4p #1?

FMJ beat top fighters across FIVE different weight classes. Joe recently entered his second weight class, and few were impressed by that performance. Yes, I know. Nobody looks good vs. B-Hop. But still.

I'm going to need your help here: what has Calzaghe accomplished that Mayweather did not?

Nice post!

Calzaghe has had a good two years in terms of opposition but not a good enough decade. Mayweather, Pacquiao, Hopkins IMO are way further ahead than Calzaghe is in a "fighter of the decade" perspective.

I'll give Calzaghe a huge amount of credit for staying undefeated throughout the decade but those other guys have better accomplishments. Mayweather also stayed undefeated BUT rose through the weight classes while fighting some BIG names, not to mention holding the P4P king spot. Pacquiao fought in the greatest featherweight era ever (Hamed, Barrera, Morales, Marquez) and came out the winning fighter and is the best P4P currently while teasing with the top spot while Mayweather was still active. Hopkins is a no brainer, beat ALL the big names, but when he loses, it's controversial. Someone can make a case for Hopkins being undefeated this decade.

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If you mean who has been the most consistent over the last 10 years it has to be Calzaghe, 10 years ago Jones was the best fighter p4p but for consistancy no one can match what Joe has done.

To stay at the top of his game and to beat a very good young undefeated fighter like Kessler (who will go on to prove his class) AFTER being the top dog in his division for 10 years and to piss all over him, totaly outclassing him.

If Mayweather can manage 10 years as champ in 1 weight and then after the ten years beat the best available competiton with ease (not avoiding the best fighters in certain weight classes to fight recenetly defeated)and has been names), then I would rank him higher than Joe but as it is he wont.

Mayweather wont be an undisputed or linear champ in any weight at 36, Joe was, in 2 differnt weights after being a champ undefeated for 11 years.

[C-Lo]

If you mean who has been the most consistent over the last 10 years it has to be Calzaghe, 10 years ago Jones was the best fighter p4p but for consistancy no one can match what Joe has done.

To stay at the top of his game and to beat a very good young undefeated fighter like Kessler (who will go on to prove his class) AFTER being the top dog in his division for 10 years and to piss all over him, totaly outclassing him.

If Mayweather can manage 10 years as champ in 1 weight and then after the ten years beat the best available competiton with ease (not avoiding the best fighters in certain weight classes to fight recenetly defeated)and has been names), then I would rank him higher than Joe but as it is he wont.

Mayweather wont be an undisputed or linear champ in any weight at 36, Joe was, in 2 differnt weights after being a champ undefeated for 11 years.

Like I said before, Calzaghe gets a lot of credit for remaining undefeated in my eyes but don't get carried away here. Who has he fought in 10 years with the exception of the past two years? A bunch of fighters people barely know.

The consistency award goes to Calzaghe but taking bigger/better fights or trying to get his name out there didn't happen until his thrashing of Lacy. Joe has had a hell of a 2 years, but other fighters have done more with a longer period of time.

I don't see how Calzaghe can be ahead of Mayweather in a "fighter of a decade sense." Yea Calzaghe dominated a weight class, but not a tough class. Mayweather moved up in weight and proved to be the best fighter in each class (with the exception of welterweight because I don't think he fought the best at that class). Joe moved up one weight class and won a questionable decision over Hopkins. Had Calzaghe moved up the weight classes like Floyd, he would've been destroyed a while ago.

Don't take this as Calzaghe bashing, I'm just trying to prove my point on a Mayweather vs Calzaghe "fighter of the decade" sense. Again, Pacquiao and Hopkins is still further in my list than Calzaghe is. 2 years does not equal a decade...

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[Mayweather moved up in weight and proved to be the best fighter in each class (with the exception of welterweight because I don't think he fought the best at that class..

Or light welter

If Joe and Floyd were the same weight, Joe would win, Floyd needs fighters to give him space and time to be able to work, Joe would give him niether.

[Andre]

If you mean who has been the most consistent over the last 10 years it has to be Calzaghe, 10 years ago Jones was the best fighter p4p but for consistancy no one can match what Joe has done.

To stay at the top of his game and to beat a very good young undefeated fighter like Kessler (who will go on to prove his class) AFTER being the top dog in his division for 10 years and to piss all over him, totaly outclassing him.

If Mayweather can manage 10 years as champ in 1 weight and then after the ten years beat the best available competiton with ease (not avoiding the best fighters in certain weight classes to fight recenetly defeated)and has been names), then I would rank him higher than Joe but as it is he wont.

Mayweather wont be an undisputed or linear champ in any weight at 36, Joe was, in 2 differnt weights after being a champ undefeated for 11 years.

Like I said before, Calzaghe gets a lot of credit for remaining undefeated in my eyes but don't get carried away here. Who has he fought in 10 years with the exception of the past two years? A bunch of fighters people barely know.

The consistency award goes to Calzaghe but taking bigger/better fights or trying to get his name out there didn't happen until his thrashing of Lacy. Joe has had a hell of a 2 years, but other fighters have done more with a longer period of time.

I don't see how Calzaghe can be ahead of Mayweather in a "fighter of a decade sense." Yea Calzaghe dominated a weight class, but not a tough class. Mayweather moved up in weight and proved to be the best fighter in each class (with the exception of welterweight because I don't think he fought the best at that class). Joe moved up one weight class and won a questionable decision over Hopkins. Had Calzaghe moved up the weight classes like Floyd, he would've been destroyed a while ago.

Don't take this as Calzaghe bashing, I'm just trying to prove my point on a Mayweather vs Calzaghe "fighter of the decade" sense. Again, Pacquiao and Hopkins is still further in my list than Calzaghe is. 2 years does not equal a decade...

Yeah I agree, it cant count above fights taken, if we are adding undefeated into fighter of the decade why no put the retired German Okkte in there as well?

[QUISQUEYA]

If you mean who has been the most consistent over the last 10 years it has to be Calzaghe, 10 years ago Jones was the best fighter p4p but for consistancy no one can match what Joe has done.

To stay at the top of his game and to beat a very good young undefeated fighter like Kessler (who will go on to prove his class) AFTER being the top dog in his division for 10 years and to piss all over him, totaly outclassing him.

If Mayweather can manage 10 years as champ in 1 weight and then after the ten years beat the best available competiton with ease (not avoiding the best fighters in certain weight classes to fight recenetly defeated)and has been names), then I would rank him higher than Joe but as it is he wont.

Mayweather wont be an undisputed or linear champ in any weight at 36, Joe was, in 2 differnt weights after being a champ undefeated for 11 years.

Wait a minute. You are giving more credit to the guy who stays undefeated at ONE weight class than you give to the guy who moves up and consistently fought BIGGER opponents? That doesn't quite seem right. The most "consistent" thing about JC was his refusal to come to America to fight top comp.

Mayweather COULD have stayed at LW and dominated that division to this day. He didn't move up because of weight problems. He fights at WW weighing less than the guys at LW/JWW. Keep in mind that he had already beaten the guys who went on to dominate the LW division: Corrales and Castillo. The only guy he missed is Casamayor.

Let's do a quick recap:

130: Hernandez, Corrales (the best guys)
135: Castillo 2x (the best guy)
140: Hatton (the best guy, though the fight was at 147)
147: Judah (a top 5 guy at the time)
154: Delahoya (one of the best 2-3 guys)

So, in truth, PBF beat the best guys at THREE weight divisions. Possibly FOUR. Concur?

[Kev]

I love Calzaghe, the guy is a legend, but he's not even close to Floyd over the last decade.

Truth be told I'd put Pacquaio above him for the whole decade too. Knocking out Barrera and Morales plus a win over Marquez and world titles in 3 weight classes.

He fought everybody and beat them all.

[QUISQUEYA]

Jermain Taylor Are you kidding me? Name someone of note that he fought at MWT without Hopkins or Pavlik... don't worry, I'll wait.

Five fights against the best middleweights in recent years. That is all that JT did.

2 BHop, 2 Pavlik, Winky.

KP stopped him, but JT didn't embarrass himself in that fight. He had Kelly down as well. Is JT top ten? Nah. Likely not. But he is "a top fighter" during the past decade. Without question.