If Calzaghe's record is so bad, whose is better?

[LondonBB]

Its true...

Everyone raves about tyson also, how lenox's biggest win came against mike tyson...lol...but WHO THE HELL IS MIKE TYSON?

If you wanna play this whole game...

Tysons record is a load of sh1t!

His biggest wins came against a way past it holmes and burbek, he got beat by douglas at his peak and lost to holyfield and lenox.

So lenox biggest win came against the guy who beat a past it holmes and burbeck?

Hahaha, it totally cracks me up.

Roy jones fought a load of fukin bums as well, his biggest wins against one of the sh1ttest heavyweight champs of all time ruiz, james toney and a close one with hopkins. WOW!!!! WHAT AN AMAZING RECORD HEY NOT!!!

Why is it that calzaghe gets crticism for his record, but jones also has equally as sh1t record, tyson has a PATHETIC record compared with both of them, yet tyson is an all time great?

Theres so much favouritism and biasness its ridiculous.

By the way, why didnt roy jones move upto heavyweight and fight lennox?

Womder if hed have been able to ko lennox with one hand behind his back like he did with that other class c bum that he fought in the ring.

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Its true...

Everyone raves about tyson also, how lenox's biggest win came against mike tyson...lol...but WHO THE HELL IS MIKE TYSON?

If you wanna play this whole game...

Tysons record is a load of sh1t!

His biggest wins came against a way past it holmes and burbek, he got beat by douglas at his peak and lost to holyfield and lenox.

So lenox biggest win came against the guy who beat a past it holmes and burbeck?

Hahaha, it totally cracks me up.

Roy jones fought a load of fukin bums as well, his biggest wins against one of the sh1ttest heavyweight champs of all time ruiz, james toney and a close one with hopkins. WOW!!!! WHAT AN AMAZING RECORD HEY NOT!!!

Why is it that calzaghe gets crticism for his record, but jones also has equally as sh1t record, tyson has a PATHETIC record compared with both of them, yet tyson is an all time great?

Theres so much favouritism and biasness its ridiculous.

By the way, why didnt roy jones move upto heavyweight and fight lennox?

Womder if hed have been able to ko lennox with one hand behind his back like he did with that other class c bum that he fought in the ring.

One of three things is happening here:
1 - This post is a joke
2 - You're a troll
3 - You're clueless

Roy would get grilled by Larry Merchant on national TV in post fight interviews for Christ's sake. No one ever gave that man a free pass. Also, calling Tyson's record 'pathetic' leads me to believe that you fall under category 3.

[LondonBB]

Its true...

Everyone raves about tyson also, how lenox's biggest win came against mike tyson...lol...but WHO THE HELL IS MIKE TYSON?

If you wanna play this whole game...

Tysons record is a load of sh1t!

His biggest wins came against a way past it holmes and burbek, he got beat by douglas at his peak and lost to holyfield and lenox.

So lenox biggest win came against the guy who beat a past it holmes and burbeck?

Hahaha, it totally cracks me up.

Roy jones fought a load of fukin bums as well, his biggest wins against one of the sh1ttest heavyweight champs of all time ruiz, james toney and a close one with hopkins. WOW!!!! WHAT AN AMAZING RECORD HEY NOT!!!

Why is it that calzaghe gets crticism for his record, but jones also has equally as sh1t record, tyson has a PATHETIC record compared with both of them, yet tyson is an all time great?

Theres so much favouritism and biasness its ridiculous.

By the way, why didnt roy jones move upto heavyweight and fight lennox?

Womder if hed have been able to ko lennox with one hand behind his back like he did with that other class c bum that he fought in the ring.

One of three things is happening here:
1 - This post is a joke
2 - You're a troll
3 - You're clueless

Roy would get grilled by Larry Merchant on national TV in post fight interviews for Christ's sake. No one ever gave that man a free pass. Also, calling Tyson's record 'pathetic' leads me to believe that you fall under category 3.

Ok...

1. no its not, if thats all you can say about my post its upto you TO PROVE IT OTHERWISE!

Of course its not meant to be taken literally, anyone with a brain cell can see im messing around because of course tyson, jones, hopkins etc are fantastic boxers.

HOWEVER you can use the whole 'who did he fight at their prime' argument with any boxer...

it is TIME AND TIME AGAIN used to discredit calzaghe.

WHY ISNT IT USED TO DISCREDIT JONES? Why isnt it used to discredit tyson? Why isnt it used to discredit bhop?

Please explain why calzaghe gets a bad rep for his unbeaten in 47 fights record, yet tyson NEVER GETS ANY BAD REP FOR HIS RECORD, where EVERY TIME hes gone up against an awesome fighter (the two being holyfield and lewis) hes been beaten (and then they are said to have beaten a 'past his prime' tyson) HAAHAHA The double standard is ridiculous.

Tysons best wins come against an extremely old and shadow of his former self larry holmes and trevor burbeck.

He lost to lewis, holyfield and douglas (im not counting stupid fights after the lewis fight as he was finished after this and his heart wasnt in it).

How does tysons record look great exactly?

So explain why then tyson gets no sh1t for his record yet calzaghe does?

SHOW ME 5 AWESOME PRIME FIGHTERS ON JONES' RECORD PLEASE THAT HE BEAT?

Look at ali's record, hes beaten liston, frazier, foreman, norton, cooper, shavers, patterson, moore... AWESOME FIGHTERS!

Show me how roy jones' record looks like that please?

IT DOESNT!

So all this fuss over calzaghe's record, yet no one EVER criticises hopkins, tysons or jones' record...screams of HATE!

2. No im not a troll

Look at my picture, im a nationally ranked competitive bodybuilder...and top personal trainer...

You wouldve thought that with my knowledge of sports nutrition and supplements combined with my knowledge of strength and conditioning (all of which are very influential factors in physical sport inparticular boxing) you wouldve thought id be quite a good assett to the forum...

Any boxer on the site can freely send me a pm asking for advice on diet or supplements or what weights program they can use. A valuable tool surely?

3. Look at my picture, do i look clueless? Do i look like i dont know about sport? Do i look like i am not very competitive? Do i look like an amateur at things?

Wheres your credentials before you try to slam me, very foolish, infact not once have i resorted to silly names or insults (the way you did to me)...i think that kind of sums of the difference in opinions and what they are worth.

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Its true...

Everyone raves about tyson also, how lenox's biggest win came against mike tyson...lol...but WHO THE HELL IS MIKE TYSON?

If you wanna play this whole game...

Tysons record is a load of sh1t!

His biggest wins came against a way past it holmes and burbek, he got beat by douglas at his peak and lost to holyfield and lenox.

So lenox biggest win came against the guy who beat a past it holmes and burbeck?

Hahaha, it totally cracks me up.

Roy jones fought a load of fukin bums as well, his biggest wins against one of the sh1ttest heavyweight champs of all time ruiz, james toney and a close one with hopkins. WOW!!!! WHAT AN AMAZING RECORD HEY NOT!!!

Why is it that calzaghe gets crticism for his record, but jones also has equally as sh1t record, tyson has a PATHETIC record compared with both of them, yet tyson is an all time great?

Theres so much favouritism and biasness its ridiculous.

By the way, why didnt roy jones move upto heavyweight and fight lennox?

Womder if hed have been able to ko lennox with one hand behind his back like he did with that other class c bum that he fought in the ring.

One of three things is happening here:
1 - This post is a joke
2 - You're a troll
3 - You're clueless

Roy would get grilled by Larry Merchant on national TV in post fight interviews for Christ's sake. No one ever gave that man a free pass. Also, calling Tyson's record 'pathetic' leads me to believe that you fall under category 3.

Ok...

1. no its not, if thats all you can say about my post its upto you TO PROVE IT OTHERWISE!

Of course its not meant to be taken literally, anyone with a brain cell can see im messing around because of course tyson, jones, hopkins etc are fantastic boxers.

HOWEVER you can use the whole 'who did he fight at their prime' argument with any boxer...

it is TIME AND TIME AGAIN used to discredit calzaghe.

WHY ISNT IT USED TO DISCREDIT JONES? Why isnt it used to discredit tyson? Why isnt it used to discredit bhop?

Please explain why calzaghe gets a bad rep for his unbeaten in 47 fights record, yet tyson NEVER GETS ANY BAD REP FOR HIS RECORD, where EVERY TIME hes gone up against an awesome fighter (the two being holyfield and lewis) hes been beaten (and then they are said to have beaten a 'past his prime' tyson) HAAHAHA The double standard is ridiculous.

Tysons best wins come against an extremely old and shadow of his former self larry holmes and trevor burbeck.

He lost to lewis, holyfield and douglas (im not counting stupid fights after the lewis fight as he was finished after this and his heart wasnt in it).

How does tysons record look great exactly?

So explain why then tyson gets no sh1t for his record yet calzaghe does?

SHOW ME 5 AWESOME PRIME FIGHTERS ON JONES' RECORD PLEASE THAT HE BEAT?

Look at ali's record, hes beaten liston, frazier, foreman, norton, cooper, shavers, patterson, moore... AWESOME FIGHTERS!

Show me how roy jones' record looks like that please?

IT DOESNT!

So all this fuss over calzaghe's record, yet no one EVER criticises hopkins, tysons or jones' record...screams of HATE!

2. No im not a troll

Look at my picture, im a nationally ranked competitive bodybuilder...and top personal trainer...

You wouldve thought that with my knowledge of sports nutrition and supplements combined with my knowledge of strength and conditioning (all of which are very influential factors in physical sport inparticular boxing) you wouldve thought id be quite a good assett to the forum...

Any boxer on the site can freely send me a pm asking for advice on diet or supplements or what weights program they can use. A valuable tool surely?

3. Look at my picture, do i look clueless? Do i look like i dont know about sport? Do i look like i am not very competitive? Do i look like an amateur at things?

Wheres your credentials before you try to slam me, very foolish, infact not once have i resorted to silly names or insults (the way you did to me)...i think that kind of sums of the difference in opinions and what they are worth.

You're clueless because EVERY single form of criticism Calzaghe has faced has been laid against BOTH Jones AND Tyson, ESPECIALLY here on this board. Try doing alittle research before making a stupid blanket statement about a make believe double standard.

[Taeth]

Its true...

Everyone raves about tyson also, how lenox's biggest win came against mike tyson...lol...but WHO THE HELL IS MIKE TYSON?

If you wanna play this whole game...

Tysons record is a load of sh1t!

His biggest wins came against a way past it holmes and burbek, he got beat by douglas at his peak and lost to holyfield and lenox.

So lenox biggest win came against the guy who beat a past it holmes and burbeck?

Hahaha, it totally cracks me up.

Roy jones fought a load of fukin bums as well, his biggest wins against one of the sh1ttest heavyweight champs of all time ruiz, james toney and a close one with hopkins. WOW!!!! WHAT AN AMAZING RECORD HEY NOT!!!

Why is it that calzaghe gets crticism for his record, but jones also has equally as sh1t record, tyson has a PATHETIC record compared with both of them, yet tyson is an all time great?

Theres so much favouritism and biasness its ridiculous.

By the way, why didnt roy jones move upto heavyweight and fight lennox?

Womder if hed have been able to ko lennox with one hand behind his back like he did with that other class c bum that he fought in the ring.

First of all Ruiz would have DESTROYED Calzaghe. Second, Calzaghe wouldn't fight Jones in america unless he got a 50-50 cut. Why would he deserve that? He was scared to fight prime Roy because he knew he would have been demolished.

Also the close fight with Hopkins? Is that the one where Roy won by 4 or 5 rounds with a broken right hand? As for shitty competition what about Mike McCallum, Reggie Johnson, Virgill Hill, Eric Harding, Montell Griffin, Jorge Castro, Mequi Sosa, Clinton Woods, Otis Grant, Julio Gonzalez, Antonio Tarver(he beat him one sidedly in the first fight and two judges agree with me 117-111, and 116-112) And its not the fact that these guys are good, but besides two fights(Eric Harding, Montell Griffin 1) Roy has dominated his fights more than I have seen anybody else dominate the same level of competition.

[RozzySean]

Its true...

Everyone raves about tyson also, how lenox's biggest win came against mike tyson...lol...but WHO THE HELL IS MIKE TYSON?

If you wanna play this whole game...

Tysons record is a load of sh1t!

His biggest wins came against a way past it holmes and burbek, he got beat by douglas at his peak and lost to holyfield and lenox.

So lenox biggest win came against the guy who beat a past it holmes and burbeck?

Hahaha, it totally cracks me up.

Roy jones fought a load of fukin bums as well, his biggest wins against one of the sh1ttest heavyweight champs of all time ruiz, james toney and a close one with hopkins. WOW!!!! WHAT AN AMAZING RECORD HEY NOT!!!

Why is it that calzaghe gets crticism for his record, but jones also has equally as sh1t record, tyson has a PATHETIC record compared with both of them, yet tyson is an all time great?

Theres so much favouritism and biasness its ridiculous.

By the way, why didnt roy jones move upto heavyweight and fight lennox?

Womder if hed have been able to ko lennox with one hand behind his back like he did with that other class c bum that he fought in the ring.

First of all Ruiz would have DESTROYED Calzaghe. Second, Calzaghe wouldn't fight Jones in america unless he got a 50-50 cut. Why would he deserve that? He was scared to fight prime Roy because he knew he would have been demolished.

Also the close fight with Hopkins? Is that the one where Roy won by 4 or 5 rounds with a broken right hand? As for shitty competition what about Mike McCallum, Reggie Johnson, Virgill Hill, Eric Harding, Montell Griffin, Jorge Castro, Mequi Sosa, Clinton Woods, Otis Grant, Julio Gonzalez, Antonio Tarver(he beat him one sidedly in the first fight and two judges agree with me 117-111, and 116-112) And its not the fact that these guys are good, but besides two fights(Eric Harding, Montell Griffin 1) Roy has dominated his fights more than I have seen anybody else dominate the same level of competition.

I agree that Roy deservescriticism for fighting a lot of bums at LWH and that there are fights he should have made. I've ripped his resume on a number of occasions. He should have given Calzaghe the 50/50 split if Calzaghe was willing to travel. That fight would have been worth more to him than his big splits against inferior opponents...that being said....

He beat Hopkins, Malinga (Prime and went on to beat Robin Reid two fights before Calzaghe did), Tate, TONEY, Sosa, Griffin, Eric Harding, Gonzolez, Tarver, and Ruiz. When you factor in his WHOLE resume, including MW and SMW, it's pretty strong. He did waste a lot of time between the Griffin and Harding fights and he should have a fought Steve Collins at some point between 1995 and 1997. Again, I know it was partly a money issue, but it's a fight that he should have made happen.

[LondonBB]

Its true...

Everyone raves about tyson also, how lenox's biggest win came against mike tyson...lol...but WHO THE HELL IS MIKE TYSON?

If you wanna play this whole game...

Tysons record is a load of sh1t!

His biggest wins came against a way past it holmes and burbek, he got beat by douglas at his peak and lost to holyfield and lenox.

So lenox biggest win came against the guy who beat a past it holmes and burbeck?

Hahaha, it totally cracks me up.

Roy jones fought a load of fukin bums as well, his biggest wins against one of the sh1ttest heavyweight champs of all time ruiz, james toney and a close one with hopkins. WOW!!!! WHAT AN AMAZING RECORD HEY NOT!!!

Why is it that calzaghe gets crticism for his record, but jones also has equally as sh1t record, tyson has a PATHETIC record compared with both of them, yet tyson is an all time great?

Theres so much favouritism and biasness its ridiculous.

By the way, why didnt roy jones move upto heavyweight and fight lennox?

Womder if hed have been able to ko lennox with one hand behind his back like he did with that other class c bum that he fought in the ring.

First of all Ruiz would have DESTROYED Calzaghe. Second, Calzaghe wouldn't fight Jones in america unless he got a 50-50 cut. Why would he deserve that? He was scared to fight prime Roy because he knew he would have been demolished.

Also the close fight with Hopkins? Is that the one where Roy won by 4 or 5 rounds with a broken right hand? As for shitty competition what about Mike McCallum, Reggie Johnson, Virgill Hill, Eric Harding, Montell Griffin, Jorge Castro, Mequi Sosa, Clinton Woods, Otis Grant, Julio Gonzalez, Antonio Tarver(he beat him one sidedly in the first fight and two judges agree with me 117-111, and 116-112) And its not the fact that these guys are good, but besides two fights(Eric Harding, Montell Griffin 1) Roy has dominated his fights more than I have seen anybody else dominate the same level of competition.

I agree that Roy deservescriticism for fighting a lot of bums at LWH and that there are fights he should have made. I've ripped his resume on a number of occasions. He should have given Calzaghe the 50/50 split if Calzaghe was willing to travel. That fight would have been worth more to him than his big splits against inferior opponents...that being said....

He beat Hopkins, Malinga (Prime and went on to beat Robin Reid two fights before Calzaghe did), Tate, TONEY, Sosa, Griffin, Eric Harding, Gonzolez, Tarver, and Ruiz. When you factor in his WHOLE resume, including MW and SMW, it's pretty strong. He did waste a lot of time between the Griffin and Harding fights and he should have a fought Steve Collins at some point between 1995 and 1997. Again, I know it was partly a money issue, but it's a fight that he should have made happen.

The same type of sh1t over and over again.

This HOPKINS BATTERED THE SH1T OUT OF TARVER, PAVLIK AND WRIGHT...THE SAME ONE CALZAGHE BEAT!

NO 'past his prime' bullsh1t excuse about beating hopkins... otherwise you mean to say that pavlik got schooled by a past his prime old man.

Or tarver got schooled by an old man.

Wright got beat by an old man...

So why dont you rate calzaghe over wright, tarver or pavlik then seeing as they all got bashed by the 'weak old man' yet calzaghe beat him?

Why is that?

Ah yes...the double standard again.

Secondly, yes, woods is not a quality fighter, of those fighters you mentioned he lost to griffin the first time (ok not because he was beaten)...but NO THEY ARE NOT 'QUALITY' FIGHTERS.

They are exactly the same type of fighter as ouma, sheika, reid, bika etc...good fighters but not exceptionally good fighters and definately not great fighters.

How do you know that calzaghe wouldve been beaten by other fighters? CALZAGHE IS UNBEATEN therefore you dont know how good someone has to be in order to beat him...so once again its the same old sh1t from behind a keyboard.

Its always always always people who havent followed calzaghe properly at all and only know him over the last 3 years or so that slate him...because they havent been following him...hes been a huge name here in britain for fuking years, but because hes not american the same haters will arise.

NO...jones record does not look 'super impressive' by any means.

Like i said...he wanted to move upto heavyweight...why not against lenox lewis?

Because he wouldve got the sh1t smacked outve him and brutally ko'd within 4 rounds!