If Calzaghe's record is so bad, whose is better?

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We keep hearing about how poor Calzaghe's record is and that he's not really an elite fighter.

However to those who say this please tell me all the guys out there with a better record amongst the currenty p4p lot.

I mean we have Pavlik, who beat Taylor twice and Miranda but got completely exposed by BHop. Is his record better?

Mijares, who beat Jorge Arce, Alexander Munoz and some other fighters I've mostly never heard of. Is his record better?

Ivan Calderon, double weight champ, beat Hugo Cazares twice, what about his record?

Margarito, huge win over Cotto, destroyed Cintron twice. But has losses to Santos twice, and Paul Williams. I won't count his early losses. Is his record better?

Isreal Vazquez. Fought a great trilogy with R Marquez, losing once but winning twice. Got a great come from behind win over Jhonny Gonzalez and knocked out Oscar Larios although he was himself KO'd by Larios earlier on too. His record any better?

Miguel Cotto. Impressive wins over Malignaggi, Quintana, Judah and Mosely but was badly beaten by Margarito. Not yet risen to the top in any weight class. His record better?

JM Marquez. A great fighter, probably the best resume of any fighter on this list.

Has dominated 3 weight classes, had two very disputed results against the worlds best current fighter and also beat Barrera.

However his best results, against Pacquiao were technically a draw and a loss. He won a close fight against Barrera in which the judging was way off. He lost to little known Chris John recently and his win over Casamayor although impressive has to be seen in the light of Casamayor being a fraction of the fighter he once was, following a string of uninspiring performances.


So now look at Calzaghe, who unlike all of those above is completely unbeaten, never lost a fight. He beat B Hopkins who even at 43 was still in the top 10 p4p according to the Ring magazine, something that Casamayor certainly was not. Barrera it can be said has slipped a lot more than Hopkins as well. I wouldn't personally rate wins over Barrera and Casamayor higher than wins over a prime Kessler and a still effective B Hopkins.


I belive Calzaghe's resume is better than all of the guy's above.

I didn;t mention B Hop or Manny because I agree Calzaghe's record isn't as hot as those two guys but of all the others in the current top 10 p4p Calzaghe's record is better imo.

Thoughts?

Its about quality of oposition , these guys have losses because from their 20's they fought top fighters.
In Pavlik's case he is still only 26 , so how can you judge him on the same level , he has lots of fighting to go.
Fact is Calzaghes record is one of the most padded in history.
Also if Tyson / RJJ / etc fought a lesser guy in a World title fight , when in their primes , they would dispatch them and look fantastic doing it. Calzaghe has looked boring and laboured againest the likes of Rick Thornberry.
As i said for me Calzaghe doesnt look like your ATG material.

Exactly! What irks me more than some people claiming Joe has a great resume is when people claim he possesses great skills and fighting style. His "intelligence" or better yet...his "fast hands and feet." Pleeeease! When you watch a guy like Roy in his prime, no matter who the opposition, you where likely to see an awe inspiring combination of power, speed, and reflexes. Not some half ass show boating, pitter patter slap fest.