The Word Shot in relation to Jones is used way to loosely

[kingfrnk]

Actually he's become all the things you state as a shot fighter.

And you can see how he ended up there,he started buying in to his own hype machine. The rap record was a sign of it coming. Putting together the Ruiz fight was a billboard.
It said to me, he didnt really want to be great anymore,he wanted you to think he was. When the publicity outreaches the desire,your fighter is in serious trouble.
Thankfully for Roy, it happened so late in his career, it really wont affect his legacy much. De La Hoya is sort of the same way, though I think Oscar's done a better job of tainting his legacy then Roy. Mosely is heading there rapidly. Hopkins suprisingly hasnt found that path, but thats why he should quit right now.
All of those guys where gods at some point,but, quit while you still are a god.
Nobody wants to remember Ali/Berbick or Ali/Holmes

but thats different compared to roy vs joe. Holmes was a beast and Ali knew he didnt have a chance. Roy can still pull of the upset.

[Bookkeeper]

Actually he's become all the things you state as a shot fighter.

And you can see how he ended up there,he started buying in to his own hype machine. The rap record was a sign of it coming. Putting together the Ruiz fight was a billboard.
It said to me, he didnt really want to be great anymore,he wanted you to think he was. When the publicity outreaches the desire,your fighter is in serious trouble.
Thankfully for Roy, it happened so late in his career, it really wont affect his legacy much. De La Hoya is sort of the same way, though I think Oscar's done a better job of tainting his legacy then Roy. Mosely is heading there rapidly. Hopkins suprisingly hasnt found that path, but thats why he should quit right now.
All of those guys where gods at some point,but, quit while you still are a god.
Nobody wants to remember Ali/Berbick or Ali/Holmes

but thats different compared to roy vs joe. Holmes was a beast and Ali knew he didnt have a chance. Roy can still pull of the upset.

I agree with King that Roy still has a chance to pull this upset, but on the other hand I believe Roy is no where near what he used to be

[JT Rock]

Actually he's become all the things you state as a shot fighter.

And you can see how he ended up there,he started buying in to his own hype machine. The rap record was a sign of it coming. Putting together the Ruiz fight was a billboard.
It said to me, he didnt really want to be great anymore,he wanted you to think he was. When the publicity outreaches the desire,your fighter is in serious trouble.
Thankfully for Roy, it happened so late in his career, it really wont affect his legacy much. De La Hoya is sort of the same way, though I think Oscar's done a better job of tainting his legacy then Roy. Mosely is heading there rapidly. Hopkins suprisingly hasnt found that path, but thats why he should quit right now.
All of those guys where gods at some point,but, quit while you still are a god.
Nobody wants to remember Ali/Berbick or Ali/Holmes

but thats different compared to roy vs joe. Holmes was a beast and Ali knew he didnt have a chance. Roy can still pull of the upset.

I agree with King that Roy still has a chance to pull this upset, but on the other hand I believe Roy is no where near what he used to be

That dosent mean he is shot

[Trainer Monkey]

Activity level
What Hopkins learned the hard way,is Joe doesnt have to land the punches. Judges get impressed with activity.
All the hard clean punches were Hopkins, but Joe just slapped at his elbows.
Well guess who "won"
Roy cant keep the work rate up to beat Joe, he's got one chance, a really good punch at the right moment

[kingfrnk]

but thats different compared to roy vs joe. Holmes was a beast and Ali knew he didnt have a chance. Roy can still pull of the upset.

I agree with King that Roy still has a chance to pull this upset, but on the other hand I believe Roy is no where near what he used to be

That dosent mean he is shot

i dont think hes SHOT hes just not wat he used to be.

[bambamdaddio]

There is every chance that RJJ can upset the bookies ... & for those who like a bet he was 5/2 against Joe's 2/7 on ... now Im a massive fan of JC but thats silly betting ... but if all things was equal at the start of this bout then for me the deciding factor will be that JC will control the pace, which Roy likes to do himself, and that will be his downfall in this fight .. not being able to do that against JC.

[Youngblood]

I`m rooting for Calzaghe on this one. Because I haven`t been right with one prediction yet!