Should taller fighters throw Overhand Rights? Why or why not?

[Salty]

I think it works great against a shorter fighter, especially when you start timing their jab. The movement knocks their jab off course and allows your overhand right to connect perfectly as they walk in, does some great damage.

[Youngblood]

This is a punch I use often, and especially against a slightly shorter fighter. And exactly as Salty describes.

I basically try to pin a guy in the corner applying pressure, then wait and watch his feet or legs for a balance shift, signally he`s making a move out punch...then just release. He is usually throwing a left...but sometimes a right. Either way..I basically just unload an overhand right, or straight right as soon as I notice the shift in weight beginning.

[mrodub]

exactly as i said mate it depends on the fighter but i would not discount it unless i had to

[Trainer Monkey]

I think it works great against a shorter fighter, especially when you start timing their jab. The movement knocks their jab off course and allows your overhand right to connect perfectly as they walk in, does some great damage.

The question was based in a way that asked,"Whats the hard fast rule" and thats the hard fast rule,the shorter guy needs a bit more oomph on his punch.
But its a major energy wasting punch, and leaves you screamingly open when you throw it.For the taller fighter,your better off with a nice tight cross instead of the looping cross. Just because Lennox Lewis got away with it,doesnt mean you will
Theres a reason he's Lennox Lewis, and your not
I dont use Ali fights for training purposes, for the same reason, Ali could do things that most fighters couldnt even conceive of getting away with. I love watching his fights, but their worthless for training purposes

[mrodub]

Would you tell a fighter not to throw a jab because he could not throw it as fast as ali of course not, i was hardly comparing anyone in the forum to lenox lewis i was giving you a example of this punch being used by a taller fighter he is not the only one both the Klichkos use it as well, what all the guys here are saying is simple that it is an effective shot but should be used sparingly and should not be discounted as there is no rule so to speak about any punch they all have a time and a place the right cross is more effective because the chances of a counter are smaller but overhand has its place when you have a man in trouble

[Trainer Monkey]

Would you tell a fighter not to throw a jab because he could not throw it as fast as ali of course not, i was hardly comparing anyone in the forum to lenox lewis i was giving you a example of this punch being used by a taller fighter he is not the only one both the Klichkos use it as well, what all the guys here are saying is simple that it is an effective shot but should be used sparingly and should not be discounted as there is no rule so to speak about any punch they all have a time and a place the right cross is more effective because the chances of a counter are smaller but overhand has its place when you have a man in trouble

The big overhand right is an energy waster,I hate a double up style and I hate a pawing jab,it doesnt mean some guys cant get away with it, but I wouldnt bet your the one who can. It was a hard fast rule question. And the hard fast rule, is dont do it if your the taller fighter,I explained, its a waste of both defense and energy for a taller fighter. Its simple force ratio, you have to exude more force to get the shot going. You get tired late in a round throwing those things. And your wide open the entire time. So for a taller fighter, it makes more logical sense to throw a tight cross rather then a big overhand one. Most of the big guys who throw big overs,spend alot of time picking their shots rather then barraging

[mrodub]

Well all along i have said it is a shot to be used sparingly,when the man is worn down,or a finisher, so if a fighter uses the shot the way i said he will not waste energy if he goes wading in with any punch he will get tired.
You have said i leaves you open well if a fighter complety discounts the shot when he has a man hurt he runs the risk of letting the other guy off the hook and posibly losing a fight he could have finished with a nice placed overhand right.That seems silly to me.

[Trainer Monkey]

Well all along i have said it is a shot to be used sparingly,when the man is worn down,or a finisher, so if a fighter uses the shot the way i said he will not waste energy if he goes wading in with any punch he will get tired.
You have said i leaves you open well if a fighter complety discounts the shot when he has a man hurt he runs the risk of letting the other guy off the hook and posibly losing a fight he could have finished with a nice placed overhand right.That seems silly to me.

You slip it,jab, then hook to the body,, and step out, you can do it all night against a taller fighter who's throwing a looping cross.
Its just very bad tactics

[mrodub]

I am not talking about throwing it all night i am talking about using it against a worn down opponant or to finish off a man i have said this over and over.
In the oriniganl post he asked about an overhand right so i am not sure what you mean in your last post Trainer Monkey will you post again please because i dont understand thanks

[Trainer Monkey]

Well all along i have said it is a shot to be used sparingly,when the man is worn down,or a finisher, so if a fighter uses the shot the way i said he will not waste energy if he goes wading in with any punch he will get tired.
You have said i leaves you open well if a fighter complety discounts the shot when he has a man hurt he runs the risk of letting the other guy off the hook and posibly losing a fight he could have finished with a nice placed overhand right.That seems silly to me.

Your not thinking about a very nice overhand right,what was described in the first post is an over extended overhand right.
A nice tight cross,sure,go for it, the cross described in the lead post is over extended. Theres no point to a taller fighter throwing that shot.

[Andre]

I think it works great against a shorter fighter, especially when you start timing their jab. The movement knocks their jab off course and allows your overhand right to connect perfectly as they walk in, does some great damage.

What your saying isnt a looping shot though is it?

For a big bloke to use it against a short bloke, an angled fist with elbow down as in a straight shot over the top of their jab from over the top of their elbow point can do that nicley with less of an opening left.

The overhand bomb leaves alot of space as its a looping shot over their bicep or shoulder , I think its better suited to if you have ducked and gone under the arm; or switched feet and threw over the top of what was comming at you as you switched, or pin the jab or even knock the jab with your lead and come over it with your rear arm (like Kt would do ,measure with the ariel and then come over it or through it once it had covered his intention.) All suited more to the same size opponents or shorter or for fighters with flexable legs who can roll, move and shoot in one action.

[Salty]

I think it works great against a shorter fighter, especially when you start timing their jab. The movement knocks their jab off course and allows your overhand right to connect perfectly as they walk in, does some great damage.

What your saying isnt a looping shot though is it?

For a big bloke to use it against a short bloke, an angled fist with elbow down as in a straight shot over the top of their jab from over the top of their elbow point can do that nicley with less of an opening left.

The overhand bomb leaves alot of space as its a looping shot over their bicep or shoulder , I think its better suited to if you have ducked and gone under the arm; or switched feet and threw over the top of what was comming at you as you switched, or pin the jab or even knock the jab with your lead and come over it with your rear arm (like Kt would do ,measure with the ariel and then come over it or through it once it had covered his intention.) All suited more to the same size opponents or shorter or for fighters with flexable legs who can roll, move and shoot in one action.

I remember seeing a clip of Pac doing something like this. He rolled under a left hook while throwing his overhand left and stepping out to the right. Was an awesome maneuver, but I doubt many people if anyone could pull it off regularly.

I should have read the posts better, but thats what I was taught was an overhand right, so just assumed that what he was talking about.

[Andre]

Im not sure whats ment either, to be honest mate; but overhand right has me thinking about a looping shot over an arm.
Pac does some great things on the move,I think I've seen that one you mention.
Roy when he ko'd (Glen ?) that time with his hands behind his back,duck and move and then swipe to the temple ,was a simular type of move but very extended and in longer stages.
Great finish anyway,as are most shots that unexpectantly rise up over a shot that already been throw and missed it target cause they are still comming at the stage.

[Trainer Monkey]

Im not sure whats ment either, to be honest mate; but overhand right has me thinking about a looping shot over an arm.
Pac does some great things on the move,I think I've seen that one you mention.
Roy when he ko'd (Glen ?) that time with his hands behind his back,duck and move and then swipe to the temple ,was a simular type of move but very extended and in longer stages.
Great finish anyway,as are most shots that unexpectantly rise up over a shot that already been throw and missed it target cause they are still comming at the stage.

Theres a crisp cross, and then theres the windmill overhand,it read to me that the original poster meant the windmill overhand,I mean maybe I got it wrong, but it was how it read to me

[mrodub]

If anyone is not sure what the puch is watch any Lennox lewis KO highlight reel it was his finisher