How Do You Rank Jones, Calzaghe, and Hopkins ATGreatness As Of Now?

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You're the one that don't understand. You keep contradicting yourself.

You rate Hopkins higher than Joe because you THINK Hopkins would beat MORE higher calibre fighters than Joe. You THINK. You can't PROVE it. You THINK it.

You THINK Hopkins record is better than Calzaghes? Would Joe have struggled with Tito or Oscar? Tarver and Winky?

I could equally claim i THINK Hopkins would lose to Kessler and Eubank. I can't prove it though.

The only PROVABLE thing is Hopkins LOST to Joe. No excuses. Hopkins LOST to Joe.

Therefore Joe is better. Fact.

I clearly said, BASED ON THEIR RESUMES!
Jesus christ. The statistics do not lie. And i repeat.
ON PAPER.. HOPKINS SHITS ALL OVER JOE CALZAGHE
ITS A FACT.. Joe's accomplishments and resume doesnt even come CLOSE

So Hopkins resume, that includes a LOSS to Joe Calzaghe, is better than Joe Calzaghe's who has lost to NO-ONE!!!

ON PAPER Joe Calzaghe BEAT Roy Jones!!!

In REALITY Calzaghe BEAT Hopkins. The statistics don't lie. That is the ONLY fact. Fact.

Yes.. because i happen to know that You can lose to someone and still be greater than them. Are you going to tell me that Jermain Taylor, who beat hopkins twice, is greater than Bernard Hopkins now?

Joes resume has NOTHING on hopkins. Hopkins has fought a great list of fighters with big names, has been in the spot light for a very long time, CONTINUES to dominate at this age/stage of his career, has the 23 defenses and a decade as champion under his belt. and his close fight with Calzaghe is ANOTHER achievement.

on paper hopkins is the better man bro, i dont see how it can even be disputed.
None the less, we'll have to agree to disagree... I have to be at the gym in 30 minutes.
+rep for the arguement. Good points, maybe we'll bump heads later.

[Fenster]

I clearly said, BASED ON THEIR RESUMES!
Jesus christ. The statistics do not lie. And i repeat.
ON PAPER.. HOPKINS SHITS ALL OVER JOE CALZAGHE
ITS A FACT.. Joe's accomplishments and resume doesnt even come CLOSE

So Hopkins resume, that includes a LOSS to Joe Calzaghe, is better than Joe Calzaghe's who has lost to NO-ONE!!!

ON PAPER Joe Calzaghe BEAT Roy Jones!!!

In REALITY Calzaghe BEAT Hopkins. The statistics don't lie. That is the ONLY fact. Fact.

Yes.. because i happen to know that You can lose to someone and still be greater than them. Are you going to tell me that Jermain Taylor, who beat hopkins twice, is greater than Bernard Hopkins now?

Joes resume has NOTHING on hopkins. Hopkins has fought a great list of fighters with big names, has been in the spot light for a very long time, CONTINUES to dominate at this age/stage of his career, has the 23 defenses and a decade as champion under his belt.

I believe you can lose to someone and still be greater than them too. I believe Roy rates above Calzaghe.

Calzaghe has fought a great list of fighters with big names, has been in the spot light for a very long time, CONTINUES to dominate at this age/stage of his career, has the 20 odd defenses and a decade as champion under his belt. Hmm.. similar to Hopkins, no?

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So Hopkins resume, that includes a LOSS to Joe Calzaghe, is better than Joe Calzaghe's who has lost to NO-ONE!!!

ON PAPER Joe Calzaghe BEAT Roy Jones!!!

In REALITY Calzaghe BEAT Hopkins. The statistics don't lie. That is the ONLY fact. Fact.

Yes.. because i happen to know that You can lose to someone and still be greater than them. Are you going to tell me that Jermain Taylor, who beat hopkins twice, is greater than Bernard Hopkins now?

Joes resume has NOTHING on hopkins. Hopkins has fought a great list of fighters with big names, has been in the spot light for a very long time, CONTINUES to dominate at this age/stage of his career, has the 23 defenses and a decade as champion under his belt.

I believe you can lose to someone and still be greater than them too. I believe Roy rates above Calzaghe.

Calzaghe has fought a great list of fighters with big names, has been in the spot light for a very long time, CONTINUES to dominate at this age/stage of his career, has the 20 odd defenses and a decade as champion under his belt. Hmm.. similar to Hopkins, no?

LOL no. calzaghe has only fought kessler, bhop, jones imo.
and jones was shot in 04

[BIG H]

Yes.. because i happen to know that You can lose to someone and still be greater than them. Are you going to tell me that Jermain Taylor, who beat hopkins twice, is greater than Bernard Hopkins now?

Joes resume has NOTHING on hopkins. Hopkins has fought a great list of fighters with big names, has been in the spot light for a very long time, CONTINUES to dominate at this age/stage of his career, has the 23 defenses and a decade as champion under his belt.

I believe you can lose to someone and still be greater than them too. I believe Roy rates above Calzaghe.

Calzaghe has fought a great list of fighters with big names, has been in the spot light for a very long time, CONTINUES to dominate at this age/stage of his career, has the 20 odd defenses and a decade as champion under his belt. Hmm.. similar to Hopkins, no?

LOL no. calzaghe has only fought kessler, bhop, jones imo.
and jones was shot in 04

Coz you knew Lacy was no good didd't ya

By your rationale who did Hopkins fight before Tito ?? well RJJ, but he lost
So Hopkins has fought

Tito (Welterweight)
De La Hoya (Welterweight)
Taylor (Lost)
Winky (Light Middleweight fighting at 170)
Calzaghe (lost)

Pavlik is the same as Lacy

Like I have said before you can pick apart anybodies record, but Hopkins' is particularly easy. Seriously you are trying to say he fought this great list of opponents, who did he fight in his own reign at Middleweight (apart from the aforementioned comparitive midgets)

I think B-Hop is a legend and I don't think it would've matter who he fought during that time, but fact his his resume at Middlweight is crap.

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I believe you can lose to someone and still be greater than them too. I believe Roy rates above Calzaghe.

Calzaghe has fought a great list of fighters with big names, has been in the spot light for a very long time, CONTINUES to dominate at this age/stage of his career, has the 20 odd defenses and a decade as champion under his belt. Hmm.. similar to Hopkins, no?

LOL no. calzaghe has only fought kessler, bhop, jones imo.
and jones was shot in 04

Coz you knew Lacy was no good didd't ya

By your rationale who did Hopkins fight before Tito ?? well RJJ, but he lost
So Hopkins has fought

Tito (Welterweight)
De La Hoya (Welterweight)
Taylor (Lost)
Winky (Light Middleweight fighting at 170)
Calzaghe (lost)

Pavlik is the same as Lacy

Like I have said before you can pick apart anybodies record, but Hopkins' is particularly. Seriously you are trying to say he fought this great list of opponents, who did he fight in his own reign at Middleweight (apart from the aforementioned comparitive midgets)

I think B-Hop is a legend and I don't think it would've matter who he fought during that time, but fact his his resume at Middlweight is crap.

People change weights all the time. So, if Roy didn't beat Ruiz you'd cry that he isn't a heavyweight. If PBF didn't beat Gatti, Sharma Mitchell, or anyone else he beat north of his first weight classs. we'd cry he isn't a welterweight.

The fact is, Bhop fought guys who were p4p threats and COULD perform at those weights. He won... PBF moved up and beat oscar.. so why cant these guys move up and beat Bhop?
Stop taking his credit.

[BIG H]

LOL no. calzaghe has only fought kessler, bhop, jones imo.
and jones was shot in 04

Coz you knew Lacy was no good didd't ya

By your rationale who did Hopkins fight before Tito ?? well RJJ, but he lost
So Hopkins has fought

Tito (Welterweight)
De La Hoya (Welterweight)
Taylor (Lost)
Winky (Light Middleweight fighting at 170)
Calzaghe (lost)

Pavlik is the same as Lacy

Like I have said before you can pick apart anybodies record, but Hopkins' is particularly. Seriously you are trying to say he fought this great list of opponents, who did he fight in his own reign at Middleweight (apart from the aforementioned comparitive midgets)

I think B-Hop is a legend and I don't think it would've matter who he fought during that time, but fact his his resume at Middlweight is crap.

People change weights all the time. So, if Roy didn't beat Ruiz you'd cry that he isn't a heavyweight. If PBF didn't beat Gatti, Sharma Mitchell, or anyone else he beat north of his first weight classs. we'd cry he isn't a welterweight.

The fact is, Bhop fought guys who were p4p threats and COULD perform at those weights. He won... PBF moved up and beat oscar.. so why cant these guys move up and beat Bhop?
Stop taking his credit.

Tito is a great name, but when did he ever 'perform' at Middleweight, Hopkins and Winky both destroyed him. I'm not taking any credit from Hopkins, I said he would've beatten whomever he fought, but I'm saying your argument that his has fought the great list of opponenents aint true. Well it is partly co athey were great names, but they weren;t great Middleweights. At Middleweight he was fighting guys like Robert Allen 3 times. Why did Allen get a 3rd fight after he was stopped in the 2nd. Why did Echols get a rematch when B-Hop won every round in their fisrt fight?

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Coz you knew Lacy was no good didd't ya

By your rationale who did Hopkins fight before Tito ?? well RJJ, but he lost
So Hopkins has fought

Tito (Welterweight)
De La Hoya (Welterweight)
Taylor (Lost)
Winky (Light Middleweight fighting at 170)
Calzaghe (lost)

Pavlik is the same as Lacy

Like I have said before you can pick apart anybodies record, but Hopkins' is particularly. Seriously you are trying to say he fought this great list of opponents, who did he fight in his own reign at Middleweight (apart from the aforementioned comparitive midgets)

I think B-Hop is a legend and I don't think it would've matter who he fought during that time, but fact his his resume at Middlweight is crap.

People change weights all the time. So, if Roy didn't beat Ruiz you'd cry that he isn't a heavyweight. If PBF didn't beat Gatti, Sharma Mitchell, or anyone else he beat north of his first weight classs. we'd cry he isn't a welterweight.

The fact is, Bhop fought guys who were p4p threats and COULD perform at those weights. He won... PBF moved up and beat oscar.. so why cant these guys move up and beat Bhop?
Stop taking his credit.

Tito is a great name, but when did he ever 'perform' at Middleweight, Hopkins and Winky both destroyed him. I'm not taking any credit from Hopkins, I said he would've beatten whomever he fought, but I'm saying your argument that his has fought the great list of opponenents aint true. Well it is partly co athey were great names, but they weren;t great Middleweights. At Middleweight he was fighting guys like Robert Allen 3 times. Why did Allen get a 3rd fight after he was stopped in the 2nd. Why did Echols get a rematch when B-Hop won every round in their fisrt fight?

I thought Felix Trinidad performed well at Middleweight beating the living heck out of. Ricardo Mayorga and William Joppy.

Secondly BIG H have you ever seen Bernard Hopkins vs Antwun Echols 1 ? because it doesn't look like you have and it sounds like you just read the judges scorecards.

That was a very competitive fight and Antwun Echols. Could of been awarded a knockdown in the first round, although the punch seemed to be on the break.

But he was giving Bernard Hopkins fits until the later rounds when Bernard Hopkins took over. I only had Bernard Hopkins winning by about 3 rounds at max, and if the knockdown would of been scored in the first round. It would of been very close.

Bernard Hopkins did need to rematch Robert Allen a 2nd time, because Robert Allen was coming on until Mills Lane accidentally pushed Bernard Hopkins out of the ring and injured Bernard Hopkins shoulder.

But many people thought Bernard Hopkins was faking the injury, because Robert Allen was coming on at that point. So a rematch needed to happen, not sure why a 3rd fight happened though that was indeed pointless.

[mrodub]

Here is some fuel to the fire LOL enjoying this argument LOL
Calzaghe record
Joe Calzaghe

Hopkins Record
Bernard Hopkins

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