Y'all must o' forgot...

[Spicoli]

But as stated before 95% of Nards important wins are over smaller guys moving up in weight and in the middle of all that he had his fair share of Tomato cans mixed into, I say nard will always be one step below Roy in the ATG department.. I believe that James Toney would beat Hopkins, he is on par defensively works harder in a fight and counters beautifully and would have matched him and strength..Perfect style to beat Hopkins

Even Tarver for example, there is a stark contrast in the Tarver that fought Jones and the one that fought Hopkins, Tarver was much slower, pushing his punches etc... No one made a big deal out of that fight other than what Hopkins did because everyone hates Tarver, but it was apparent that Tarver was slipping bad too

There's also a start contrast to the Winky that fought Taylor and the Winky that Fought Bhop.
To the Pavlik who fought Taylor, and the Pavlik who fought Bhop.

B-Hop has a way of taking people out of their element. Not denying anything you are saying though, but we have to realize that many fights respect bernard and that respect gets them ruinned in the ring.

As for Nard vs Toney. God I wish this could have happened. I don't see toney winning though. Toney is very flat footed and one thing toney has always allowed his ENTIRE career is for people to side step around him and take advantage of his flat feet. This is something Bernard ALWAYS does, even to people who fight on their toes.. and Hopkins on movement alone wins in a toney fight imo.

I.E Griffin vs Toney.

Technically I think your onto something but Toney is a rare animal, he was been able to take a carbon copy of himself and trek 50lbs north fighting guys and assimilating power from true heavyweights.. Thats the difference, I couldnt see Hop taking his style and beating Jirov, Holyfield, Ruiz Peter(regardless of the judges Toney beat him the 1st fight) etc..

Thats saying something about the mans in ring intelligence, skill and toughness.. I think the shoulder rolling, countering and matching up with the dirty tactics would wear Hop out down the stretch, Toney can take your heart in a fight and I think the fact that Toney is always running his mouth and taunting would get Hop pretty damned frustrated

Would have been a classic.But I think Toney's bad habit of timing out rounds,taking off in spots,would have cost him.Hopkins at that stage was not the lay back pot shot artist we have seen recently and could spin off and had a big volume.Could get Toney off balance and equally get into Toney's head imo.