Joe Calzaghe P4P #1?

[BIG H]

Anybody think JMM beat Pac twice? If he did then Pac aint number 1!!

[ICB]

Anybody think JMM beat Pac twice? If he did then Pac aint number 1!!

Yes i think JMM beat Manny Pacquiao twice, but i also think Robin Reid, Bernard Hopkins, beat Joe Calzaghe so that works both ways

[BIG H]

Anybody think JMM beat Pac twice? If he did then Pac aint number 1!!

Yes i think JMM beat Manny Pacquiao twice, but i also think Robin Reid, Bernard Hopkins, beat Joe Calzaghe so that works both ways

You must have JMM number 1 then ?

[ICB]

Anybody think JMM beat Pac twice? If he did then Pac aint number 1!!

Yes i think JMM beat Manny Pacquiao twice, but i also think Robin Reid, Bernard Hopkins, beat Joe Calzaghe so that works both ways

You must have JMM number 1 then ?

Yea why not ? if you think a fighter lost a certain fight, you should rank them lower in the P4P rankings, because its your opinion and your list. Forgetting what the record books say.

I think Pernell Whitaker should only have 1 loss on his record, and i think he should be top 10 P4P of all time. And i think Muhammad Ali should have atleast 9 losses on his record and he should be out of the top 10 P4P of all time, thats the beauty of P4P lists mate.

[BIG H]

Yes i think JMM beat Manny Pacquiao twice, but i also think Robin Reid, Bernard Hopkins, beat Joe Calzaghe so that works both ways

You must have JMM number 1 then ?

Yea why not ? if you think a fighter lost a certain fight, you should rank them lower in the P4P rankings, because its your opinion and your list. Forgetting what the record books say.

I think Pernell Whitaker should only have 1 loss on his record, and i think he should be top 10 P4P of all time. And i think Muhammad Ali should have atleast 9 losses on his record and he should be out of the top 10 P4P of all time, thats the beauty of P4P lists mate.

Fair play mate. I agree Sweet P should be to 10 p4p of all time. I'm interested to see which 9 fights you had Ali losing (I guess you had him losing all 3 versus Norton)

[ICB]

You must have JMM number 1 then ?

Yea why not ? if you think a fighter lost a certain fight, you should rank them lower in the P4P rankings, because its your opinion and your list. Forgetting what the record books say.

I think Pernell Whitaker should only have 1 loss on his record, and i think he should be top 10 P4P of all time. And i think Muhammad Ali should have atleast 9 losses on his record and he should be out of the top 10 P4P of all time, thats the beauty of P4P lists mate.

Fair play mate. I agree Sweet P should be to 10 p4p of all time. I'm interested to see which 9 fights you had Ali losing (I guess you had him losing all 3 versus Norton)

I just watched Ken Norton vs Muhammad trilogy again, and i did have him losing all 3 fights. Ken Norton with his crab like style defense, would block Muhammad Ali's jab with his right glove constantly and counter with rising jabs over the top, plus he was putting on effective pressure all night.

It reminded me of Larry Holmes vs Tim Witherspoon, because just like Ken Norton. Tim Witherspoon with his crab like style defense. Would block Larry Holmes jab with his right glove, and counter with rising jabs over the top. And was putting effective pressure on all night, although i had Larry Holmes vs Tim Witherspoon a draw.

I also had Muhammad Ali losing to Jimmy Young, Earnie Shavers, i thought he got a draw with Doug Jones. And technically he should of been DQ in the Henry Cooper fight, because after the knockdown he was given smelling salts, which wern't allowed in the UK at that time i believe.

[JT Rock]

If Pac wasn fighting Oscar next month I would give Joe the Nod, he is undefeated and at one time held ring belts at 168-175 and now is the best 175 fighter in the world.

Regardless of all you hindsight Jockies, be beat Lacy who was a beast and the Heir apparent

Kessler- enough said

awkward Bika

Hopkins

Jones- who wasnt shot

Jones and Hopkins were more competitive than Barrera and Morales the 2nd time around..

But if Pac beats Oscar who is bigger and stronger and not shot than Pac has a stranglehold on PFP, since no one is going to equal that feat anytime soon.. If Manny loses than Joe takes his rightful spot

[ICB]

If Pac wasn fighting Oscar next month I would give Joe the Nod, he is undefeated and at one time held ring belts at 168-175 and now is the best 175 fighter in the world.

Regardless of all you hindsight Jockies, be beat Lacy who was a beast and the Heir apparent

Kessler- enough said

awkward Bika

Hopkins

Jones- who wasnt shot

Jones and Hopkins were more competitive than Barrera and Morales the 2nd time around..

But if Pac beats Oscar who is bigger and stronger and not shot than Pac has a stranglehold on PFP, since no one is going to equal that feat anytime soon.. If Manny loses than Joe takes his rightful spot

RJJ who wasn't shot ? you gotta be kidding there bro ? RJJ hasn't had a stoppage win since 2002, and hasn't had the killer instinct or the stamina since 2002, he was way past his past his best.

Atleast MAB when he fought Manny Pacquiao a 2nd time, was coming off a controversial decision loss to one of the top P4P fighters in the world JMM. And Erik Morales was still a good fighter in the first 2 fights with Manny Pacquiao, he was completely shot after though.

[JT Rock]

If Pac wasn fighting Oscar next month I would give Joe the Nod, he is undefeated and at one time held ring belts at 168-175 and now is the best 175 fighter in the world.

Regardless of all you hindsight Jockies, be beat Lacy who was a beast and the Heir apparent

Kessler- enough said

awkward Bika

Hopkins

Jones- who wasnt shot

Jones and Hopkins were more competitive than Barrera and Morales the 2nd time around..

But if Pac beats Oscar who is bigger and stronger and not shot than Pac has a stranglehold on PFP, since no one is going to equal that feat anytime soon.. If Manny loses than Joe takes his rightful spot

RJJ who wasn't shot ? you gotta be kidding there bro ? RJJ hasn't had a stoppage win since 2002, and hasn't had the killer instinct or the stamina since 2002, he was way past his past his best.

Atleast MAB when he fought Manny Pacquiao a 2nd time, was coming off a controversial decision loss to one of the top P4P fighters in the world JMM. And Erik Morales was still a good fighter in the first 2 fights with Manny Pacquiao, he was completely shot after though.

Jones couldnt deal wih Joes workrate, he would have been fine against a guy who fought a normal moderate pace, his legs looked good he was moving , wasnt giving in and was brave.. still showed handspeed when he through and stunned Joe a few times with power..

Jones wasnt the Jones we marveled at but he is still a pretty good fighter

[ICB]

If Pac wasn fighting Oscar next month I would give Joe the Nod, he is undefeated and at one time held ring belts at 168-175 and now is the best 175 fighter in the world.

Regardless of all you hindsight Jockies, be beat Lacy who was a beast and the Heir apparent

Kessler- enough said

awkward Bika

Hopkins

Jones- who wasnt shot

Jones and Hopkins were more competitive than Barrera and Morales the 2nd time around..

But if Pac beats Oscar who is bigger and stronger and not shot than Pac has a stranglehold on PFP, since no one is going to equal that feat anytime soon.. If Manny loses than Joe takes his rightful spot

RJJ who wasn't shot ? you gotta be kidding there bro ? RJJ hasn't had a stoppage win since 2002, and hasn't had the killer instinct or the stamina since 2002, he was way past his past his best.

Atleast MAB when he fought Manny Pacquiao a 2nd time, was coming off a controversial decision loss to one of the top P4P fighters in the world JMM. And Erik Morales was still a good fighter in the first 2 fights with Manny Pacquiao, he was completely shot after though.

Jones couldnt deal wih Joes workrate, he would have been fine against a guy who fought a normal moderate pace, his legs looked good he was moving , wasnt giving in and was brave.. still showed handspeed when he through and stunned Joe a few times with power..

Jones wasnt the Jones we marveled at but he is still a pretty good fighter

I was actually pretty disappointed with RJJ, Joe Calzaghe was standing right infront of him with his hands down. And RJJ didn't do anything, and he didn't counter nearly as much as i thought he would.

I just watched a prime RJJ yesterday jeez what a difference, it didn't even look like the same fighter to the version that fought Joe Calzaghe.

I think problem is that RJJ hasn't got the killer instinct no more, and that showed in the 3rd Antonio Tarver fight.

And even more alarmingly in his comeback fights, he had Felix Trinidad, Anthony Hanshaw, in huge trouble and he couldn't finish them off. Plus he didn't have the stamina in any of those fights either.

RJJ still has speed but he doesn't put combinations together JT, which was one of his best attributes. Its all one punch at a time, ever since RJJ moved down from Heavyweight he has looked pretty poor in most of his fights IMO.