Size Limit on Heavyweights?

[awdleyfuturehalloffamer]

Who is going to top valuev? some guy 7 foot 7 weighing 400 pounds? the heavyweight division is a circus freak exhibition.

[Kel]

Who is going to top valuev? some guy 7 foot 7 weighing 400 pounds? the heavyweight division is a circus freak exhibition.

That's because it can be, imagine Valuev againsed the likes of Lewis, Bowe, Holmes, Foreman, Holyfield, Tyson or Tua? even Moorer, McCall, Bruno, Ruddock etc.....christ when you name all these guys you realise what the division is missing....some proper talented fighters. They would all smack that lanky fuck to next year.

I'm sick to death of these fat fuckers with piss poor footwork who can't even slip punches properly or even work off a jab, they match these guys with a KO in mind "er yeah, he hits hard, he has shit defense, should end in a KO". It's still not exiting though because most heavies are fucking shit. I can go round the back of a pub and see the same shit.

Rant over

[Kev]

Why should there be another weight class?

Beyond a certain point any size advantage these guys have is outweighed by the fact it makes them slow and ponderous, with poor movement and very upright.

Guys like Wlad and Vitali and Lewis before them are the maximum height to be to take maximum advantage. Any taller and history has shown repeatedly that it becomes a liability rather thana an asset.

The division is great as it is. I already think there are far too many weight classes, 8 is plenty, I really don't want to see another one.

[Tysonbruno]

Imagine if Valuev could punch his weight he would hit whoever and it would be where did he go then you would hear a scream and he has landed on the car park attendant if Valuev hit hard it would be exciting to watch him.

[El Kabong]

Who is going to top valuev? some guy 7 foot 7 weighing 400 pounds? the heavyweight division is a circus freak exhibition.

When and IF Valuev decides to fight a REAL heavyweight he'll get his ass handed to him.

Wladimir and Vitali and any other power punchers would be tough for Valuev to beat. Valuev already lost to Ruslan Chagaev who is not a very big guy.

[SEB]

Vitali, Wlad would beat Valuev by KO, I'm almost certain.

And please remember that Chagaev gave him a boxing lesson. Valuev won very close Decission agaisnt Ruiz and Larry Donald, who according to me are not at the same level as Tyson and Lewis were comparatively :-)

Seb

[SEB]

Sorry for the double post.

but in fact that has been a discussion for years. I'm still convinced (being a small heavyweight myself) that a good small boxer would outslaught a bad tall one. Of course agaisnt boxer like Lennox or Wlad it's problematic. they can box and they're pretty big. But even then, Tyson would have ko wlad like corey sanders was able to do. being tall and heavy doesn't mean that you're fast, strong, have stamina, are smart enough, have the will and the experience to take punch.

The fact that tall boxer have an advantage of reach is something, but honestly, I still remember small boxer putting down Primo Camera (who was a MONSTER at the time).

[mrodub]

I konw what you guys are saying about skill versus size but what happened to wanting to see talented boxers such as ali tyson dempsey this division is becomong a freak show and it is getting boring its ratings are at an all time low there is a reason for that and it is because they cannot box (with the exception of a few) they are just huge,What would you rather see an era like the 60s or now.To me there is no comparioson and the reason is the size it is not fair to expect a man to box another man with a 150lbs weight advantage considering other divisions give out about 5 or 6 lbs.I want to see boxers in the heavyweight division again not this crap who only gets to the yop because of some ridiculas unfair advantage, i think there should be a cut off point of 280lbs if you over that join the circus i am a boxing fan not someone who wants to see mindless punching

[SEB]

yeah I hear you and can understand, but back on days I was fighting, if it was against a 280lbs boxer I wasn't worried at all. in fact he can't have speed and stamina I had at 230 plus they often only rely on power...which they can't do on a 4 rounders.

but ok, Valuev is something different...he's so huge that yes, he can easily win against average contender. but agaisnt a lewis, klitchko or even Chagaev (who defeated him)...I soncerely doubt.

[mrodub]

yeah I hear you and can understand, but back on days I was fighting, if it was against a 280lbs boxer I wasn't worried at all. in fact he can't have speed and stamina I had at 230 plus they often only rely on power...which they can't do on a 4 rounders.

but ok, Valuev is something different...he's so huge that yes, he can easily win against average contender. but agaisnt a lewis, klitchko or even Chagaev (who defeated him)...I soncerely doubt.

I hear you but what i said is 280lbs is fine because they are no so huge that they cannot be beaten by a good boxer but after 280lbs they should have to go to some silly monster division because they are gaining status based soly on size not skill and that is not what boxing is about.
The heavyweight division was once watched by the whole world everyone knew who the champ was.Can you say that now, no and it is because its crap,ands its crap because people are getting by on size instead of skill.
A few people have said to me so far in this thread that a good small boxer will beat a big one well not always true because the russian cant fight and he is ranked pretty high with only one defeat but pound for pound almost all his opponants were better than him.He has to much of an advantage after 280lbs they should not be eligble to box in the heavyweight division

[mrodub]

Cruiserweight - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This division was created in a different era for the same reason i am stating if you look at the size of the heavyweights then they are tiny compared to todays so the argument that the cruiserweight division is there for this reason goes out the window considering 6'5 250lbs was huge back then and is average now, were talking about 7'2 350lbs a man of 210lbs should not have to fight this, so the cruiserweight was created for a different era altogether