< David Haye vs. Monte Barrett > It's go time... Let's talk it out.

[piye]

Lot of criticism considering he knocked the guy down five times. and was unhurt and dragged into a brawl.

[DaxxKahn]

Lot of criticism considering he knocked the guy down five times. and was unhurt and dragged into a brawl.

Well you just added to things...By trying to act as though the criticizim is un warrented just opened a huge point and a point that was already being made...

1. Knocking down Barrett 5 times is not really a huge thing...he was KO'd by Couser....a second rate journeyman

2. If he can be made to fight Barretts fight and not allow himself to remain poised and stick to HIS game plan against a gate keeper WTF is he supposed to do against Vitaly?....Are you going to say that if he was in a fight with Vitaly he would handle himself different because he knows he would have to?...Or some other bullshit.....

Haye was sloppy...Had nothing to do with Barrett...Haye swung for the fences far to often throughout the bout.....His damn left was so low he might as well of not even had one for defense because if he kept it that low against Vitaly...The Dr would take his head off with a straight right....

I agree Haye will create some excitement in the HW division...His trash talk alone will draw fans but fact is he is not on the level of either Klitschko...Both are too big....Vitaly if he choose to "Drag Haye into a brawl"...would not go down 5 times...(Not at all)....he would muscle Haye anywhere he wants....

Truth is IMO Sam Peter KO's Haye the first time he connects with a right to the head full tilt.....

Haye has a future but he is not ready to fight atop the HW division....The real big guys are too strong for Haye and the fact he is so easily "Drawn into a brawl"....He would be his own worst enemy

[piye]

Lot of criticism considering he knocked the guy down five times. and was unhurt and dragged into a brawl.

Well you just added to things...By trying to act as though the criticizim is un warrented just opened a huge point and a point that was already being made...

1. Knocking down Barrett 5 times is not really a huge thing...he was KO'd by Couser....a second rate journeyman

2. If he can be made to fight Barretts fight and not allow himself to remain poised and stick to HIS game plan against a gate keeper WTF is he supposed to do against Vitaly?....Are you going to say that if he was in a fight with Vitaly he would handle himself different because he knows he would have to?...Or some other bullshit.....

Haye was sloppy...Had nothing to do with Barrett...Haye swung for the fences far to often throughout the bout.....His damn left was so low he might as well of not even had one for defense because if he kept it that low against Vitaly...The Dr would take his head off with a straight right....

I agree Haye will create some excitement in the HW division...His trash talk alone will draw fans but fact is he is not on the level of either Klitschko...Both are too big....Vitaly if he choose to "Drag Haye into a brawl"...would not go down 5 times...(Not at all)....he would muscle Haye anywhere he wants....

Truth is IMO Sam Peter KO's Haye the first time he connects with a right to the head full tilt.....

Haye has a future but he is not ready to fight atop the HW division....The real big guys are too strong for Haye and the fact he is so easily "Drawn into a brawl"....He would be his own worst enemy

Seems as though you are letting your emotions get the better of you. I have watched Hayes entire career as I purchased his career set have you? ok well anyway I know that he can stick to a game plan he allowed himself to be dragged into a brawl as he knew he would win. He would not take the same mentality into the ring with either Klitscho brother.

[DaxxKahn]

Lot of criticism considering he knocked the guy down five times. and was unhurt and dragged into a brawl.

Well you just added to things...By trying to act as though the criticizim is un warrented just opened a huge point and a point that was already being made...

1. Knocking down Barrett 5 times is not really a huge thing...he was KO'd by Couser....a second rate journeyman

2. If he can be made to fight Barretts fight and not allow himself to remain poised and stick to HIS game plan against a gate keeper WTF is he supposed to do against Vitaly?....Are you going to say that if he was in a fight with Vitaly he would handle himself different because he knows he would have to?...Or some other bullshit.....

Haye was sloppy...Had nothing to do with Barrett...Haye swung for the fences far to often throughout the bout.....His damn left was so low he might as well of not even had one for defense because if he kept it that low against Vitaly...The Dr would take his head off with a straight right....

I agree Haye will create some excitement in the HW division...His trash talk alone will draw fans but fact is he is not on the level of either Klitschko...Both are too big....Vitaly if he choose to "Drag Haye into a brawl"...would not go down 5 times...(Not at all)....he would muscle Haye anywhere he wants....

Truth is IMO Sam Peter KO's Haye the first time he connects with a right to the head full tilt.....

Haye has a future but he is not ready to fight atop the HW division....The real big guys are too strong for Haye and the fact he is so easily "Drawn into a brawl"....He would be his own worst enemy

Seems as though you are letting your emotions get the better of you. I have watched Hayes entire career as I purchased his career set have you? ok well anyway I know that he can stick to a game plan he allowed himself to be dragged into a brawl as he knew he would win. He would not take the same mentality into the ring with either Klitscho brother.

No I don't let my emotions get the better of me when assessing a fighter...I go by performances and what they are doing in the ring....You are using fanboy mentality....

You show your fanboy mentality by saying things such as "I have his career set do you?".....As if you are a kid showing off his new bike.....give it a break....If the guy allows someone like Barrett to make them fight his fight then someone the caliber of Vitaly would certainly have no problem....

But just to save you from any further headaches of trying to defend your fighter I will just put it straight..

Haye does not have the punching power to stop Vitaly...(neither does anyone else in the division).....He will not outbox Vitaly...He will not outslug Vitaly....He can not beat Vitaly simple as that

[piye]

Well you just added to things...By trying to act as though the criticizim is un warrented just opened a huge point and a point that was already being made...

1. Knocking down Barrett 5 times is not really a huge thing...he was KO'd by Couser....a second rate journeyman

2. If he can be made to fight Barretts fight and not allow himself to remain poised and stick to HIS game plan against a gate keeper WTF is he supposed to do against Vitaly?....Are you going to say that if he was in a fight with Vitaly he would handle himself different because he knows he would have to?...Or some other bullshit.....

Haye was sloppy...Had nothing to do with Barrett...Haye swung for the fences far to often throughout the bout.....His damn left was so low he might as well of not even had one for defense because if he kept it that low against Vitaly...The Dr would take his head off with a straight right....

I agree Haye will create some excitement in the HW division...His trash talk alone will draw fans but fact is he is not on the level of either Klitschko...Both are too big....Vitaly if he choose to "Drag Haye into a brawl"...would not go down 5 times...(Not at all)....he would muscle Haye anywhere he wants....

Truth is IMO Sam Peter KO's Haye the first time he connects with a right to the head full tilt.....

Haye has a future but he is not ready to fight atop the HW division....The real big guys are too strong for Haye and the fact he is so easily "Drawn into a brawl"....He would be his own worst enemy

Seems as though you are letting your emotions get the better of you. I have watched Hayes entire career as I purchased his career set have you? ok well anyway I know that he can stick to a game plan he allowed himself to be dragged into a brawl as he knew he would win. He would not take the same mentality into the ring with either Klitscho brother.

No I don't let my emotions get the better of me when assessing a fighter...I go by performances and what they are doing in the ring....You are using fanboy mentality....

You show your fanboy mentality by saying things such as "I have his career set do you?".....As if you are a kid showing off his new bike.....give it a break....If the guy allows someone like Barrett to make them fight his fight then someone the caliber of Vitaly would certainly have no problem....

But just to save you from any further headaches of trying to defend your fighter I will just put it straight..

Haye does not have the punching power to stop Vitaly...(neither does anyone else in the division).....He will not outbox Vitaly...He will not outslug Vitaly....He can not beat Vitaly simple as that

Oh please. I'm a grown man I'm not a 'fanboy' nor do I follow internet lingo; the purpose of me identifying that I have the David Haye box set was to let you know I have seen every single fight I have many other Box sets also not all of fighters I am a fan of.

Now having watched every fight boxers like Mormeck and Fragomeni (I'm not saying they are better than the Klitscho brothers) had a good enough amount of respect from Haye to ensure he sticks to his game plan until the knockout! My point was just because Haye didn't display that amount of respect here in one fight does not show his inability to stick to a game plan or be calm etc.

You have made an assessment of athletic ability based upon how many fights? where as I have made my assessment based on a career.

[Bomp]

Seems as though you are letting your emotions get the better of you. I have watched Hayes entire career as I purchased his career set have you? ok well anyway I know that he can stick to a game plan he allowed himself to be dragged into a brawl as he knew he would win. He would not take the same mentality into the ring with either Klitscho brother.

No I don't let my emotions get the better of me when assessing a fighter...I go by performances and what they are doing in the ring....You are using fanboy mentality....

You show your fanboy mentality by saying things such as "I have his career set do you?".....As if you are a kid showing off his new bike.....give it a break....If the guy allows someone like Barrett to make them fight his fight then someone the caliber of Vitaly would certainly have no problem....

But just to save you from any further headaches of trying to defend your fighter I will just put it straight..

Haye does not have the punching power to stop Vitaly...(neither does anyone else in the division).....He will not outbox Vitaly...He will not outslug Vitaly....He can not beat Vitaly simple as that

Oh please. I'm a grown man I'm not a 'fanboy' nor do I follow internet lingo; the purpose of me identifying that I have the David Haye box set was to let you know I have seen every single fight I have many other Box sets also not all of fighters I am a fan of.

Now having watched every fight boxers like Mormeck and Fragomeni (I'm not saying they are better than the Klitscho brothers) had a good enough amount of respect from Haye to ensure he sticks to his game plan until the knockout! My point was just because Haye didn't display that amount of respect here in one fight does not show his inability to stick to a game plan or be calm etc.

You have made an assessment of athletic ability based upon how many fights? where as I have made my assessment based on a career.

I've pretty much seen all his fights, and his beiggest deficiency (and still is) is his stamina. Fragommeni laid down one blue print on how to beat him and that was to pressurre him til he was uncomfortable, some of the bigger guys will be able to stand up to his shots until his engine fails.

He likes to fight in his comfort zone, and I think I heard a discussion between him and Booth between rounds about how many punches he threw as if they had set a limit.

He's an exciting fighter, and I hopie he keeps winning til he gets his shot as Haye-Klitchko could be a big event in Europe.

[piye]

No I don't let my emotions get the better of me when assessing a fighter...I go by performances and what they are doing in the ring....You are using fanboy mentality....

You show your fanboy mentality by saying things such as "I have his career set do you?".....As if you are a kid showing off his new bike.....give it a break....If the guy allows someone like Barrett to make them fight his fight then someone the caliber of Vitaly would certainly have no problem....

But just to save you from any further headaches of trying to defend your fighter I will just put it straight..

Haye does not have the punching power to stop Vitaly...(neither does anyone else in the division).....He will not outbox Vitaly...He will not outslug Vitaly....He can not beat Vitaly simple as that

Oh please. I'm a grown man I'm not a 'fanboy' nor do I follow internet lingo; the purpose of me identifying that I have the David Haye box set was to let you know I have seen every single fight I have many other Box sets also not all of fighters I am a fan of.

Now having watched every fight boxers like Mormeck and Fragomeni (I'm not saying they are better than the Klitscho brothers) had a good enough amount of respect from Haye to ensure he sticks to his game plan until the knockout! My point was just because Haye didn't display that amount of respect here in one fight does not show his inability to stick to a game plan or be calm etc.

You have made an assessment of athletic ability based upon how many fights? where as I have made my assessment based on a career.

I've pretty much seen all his fights, and his beiggest deficiency (and still is) is his stamina. Fragommeni laid down one blue print on how to beat him and that was to pressurre him til he was uncomfortable, some of the bigger guys will be able to stand up to his shots until his engine fails.

He likes to fight in his comfort zone, and I think I heard a discussion between him and Booth between rounds about how many punches he threw as if they had set a limit.

He's an exciting fighter, and I hopie he keeps winning til he gets his shot as Haye-Klitchko could be a big event in Europe.

I agree with what you have said here and you appear to have made a decision based upon what you have witnessed across multiple fights and not just one single fight.

[DaxxKahn]

Seems as though you are letting your emotions get the better of you. I have watched Hayes entire career as I purchased his career set have you? ok well anyway I know that he can stick to a game plan he allowed himself to be dragged into a brawl as he knew he would win. He would not take the same mentality into the ring with either Klitscho brother.

No I don't let my emotions get the better of me when assessing a fighter...I go by performances and what they are doing in the ring....You are using fanboy mentality....

You show your fanboy mentality by saying things such as "I have his career set do you?".....As if you are a kid showing off his new bike.....give it a break....If the guy allows someone like Barrett to make them fight his fight then someone the caliber of Vitaly would certainly have no problem....

But just to save you from any further headaches of trying to defend your fighter I will just put it straight..

Haye does not have the punching power to stop Vitaly...(neither does anyone else in the division).....He will not outbox Vitaly...He will not outslug Vitaly....He can not beat Vitaly simple as that

Oh please. I'm a grown man I'm not a 'fanboy' nor do I follow internet lingo; the purpose of me identifying that I have the David Haye box set was to let you know I have seen every single fight I have many other Box sets also not all of fighters I am a fan of.

Now having watched every fight boxers like Mormeck and Fragomeni (I'm not saying they are better than the Klitscho brothers) had a good enough amount of respect from Haye to ensure he sticks to his game plan until the knockout! My point was just because Haye didn't display that amount of respect here in one fight does not show his inability to stick to a game plan or be calm etc.

You have made an assessment of athletic ability based upon how many fights? where as I have made my assessment based on a career.

Firstoff "Fanboy" is not just internet lingo...There are biased announcers that exibit the same thing at times.....

If you actually believe that I have only seen one of Hayes fights and judge him on that alone then you just add to the Fanboy mentality IMO you are approaching your opinion of Haye with.....

If you actually read everything I said about Haye you would see I never said he always fought like that I used the fight with Barrett as a point on how he can not act if he ever expects to succeed in the HW division and if he is getting overzealous with a guy like Barrett and allowing a guy like Barrett to make him fight that erratic then what will he do when a genuine hard hitting mega HW is in there tapping him...

Fighters like many fans do not seem to realize the power difference between the CW division even the hardest of bangers and that of a 6'5" or 6'6" 245lb HW...or even one at 6'2" and 225lbs...whatis considered a light hitter in the HW ranks can be a power puncher in the CW division....

A fighter taste power he is not used to he can lose control...very easily....add that power coming from a man with skill and control that makes it even more dangerous....

Both klitschkos have that power..they hit hard for even heavyweights...Vitaly is especially brutal when he wants to be...He can also take the punches of the divisions biggest hitters and walk through them....Peter could not phase him..(Regardless of peoples opp of his chin or skill set the man can hit hard)....Lennox who was a huge puncher could not take him off his feet...

Vitaly is skilled...I believe he may have the highest KO% in the sport among champions i know he is over 90%......

He can box...he will be ugly if need be...he has no problem with fighting close nor waiting for the big shot to land......

I don't give a shit if you have seen Hayes fights 200 times and reenacted them in your backyard while drinking beer with your buddies...fact is

Unless Vitaly Klitschko goes in with 2 broke arms....David Haye can not beat the man....

[Fenster]

No I don't let my emotions get the better of me when assessing a fighter...I go by performances and what they are doing in the ring....You are using fanboy mentality....

You show your fanboy mentality by saying things such as "I have his career set do you?".....As if you are a kid showing off his new bike.....give it a break....If the guy allows someone like Barrett to make them fight his fight then someone the caliber of Vitaly would certainly have no problem....

But just to save you from any further headaches of trying to defend your fighter I will just put it straight..

Haye does not have the punching power to stop Vitaly...(neither does anyone else in the division).....He will not outbox Vitaly...He will not outslug Vitaly....He can not beat Vitaly simple as that

Oh please. I'm a grown man I'm not a 'fanboy' nor do I follow internet lingo; the purpose of me identifying that I have the David Haye box set was to let you know I have seen every single fight I have many other Box sets also not all of fighters I am a fan of.

Now having watched every fight boxers like Mormeck and Fragomeni (I'm not saying they are better than the Klitscho brothers) had a good enough amount of respect from Haye to ensure he sticks to his game plan until the knockout! My point was just because Haye didn't display that amount of respect here in one fight does not show his inability to stick to a game plan or be calm etc.

You have made an assessment of athletic ability based upon how many fights? where as I have made my assessment based on a career.

Firstoff "Fanboy" is not just internet lingo...There are biased announcers that exibit the same thing at times.....

If you actually believe that I have only seen one of Hayes fights and judge him on that alone then you just add to the Fanboy mentality IMO you are approaching your opinion of Haye with.....

If you actually read everything I said about Haye you would see I never said he always fought like that I used the fight with Barrett as a point on how he can not act if he ever expects to succeed in the HW division and if he is getting overzealous with a guy like Barrett and allowing a guy like Barrett to make him fight that erratic then what will he do when a genuine hard hitting mega HW is in there tapping him...

Fighters like many fans do not seem to realize the power difference between the CW division even the hardest of bangers and that of a 6'5" or 6'6" 245lb HW...or even one at 6'2" and 225lbs...whatis considered a light hitter in the HW ranks can be a power puncher in the CW division....

A fighter taste power he is not used to he can lose control...very easily....add that power coming from a man with skill and control that makes it even more dangerous....

Both klitschkos have that power..they hit hard for even heavyweights...Vitaly is especially brutal when he wants to be...He can also take the punches of the divisions biggest hitters and walk through them....Peter could not phase him..(Regardless of peoples opp of his chin or skill set the man can hit hard)....Lennox who was a huge puncher could not take him off his feet...

Vitaly is skilled...I believe he may have the highest KO% in the sport among champions i know he is over 90%......

He can box...he will be ugly if need be...he has no problem with fighting close nor waiting for the big shot to land......

I don't give a shit if you have seen Hayes fights 200 times and reenacted them in your backyard while drinking beer with your buddies...fact is

Unless Vitaly Klitschko goes in with 2 broke arms....David Haye can not beat the man....

The best thing about Haye is.. he accepts and admits his weaknesses.

Haye said: "Barrett's jabs were the equivalent of a cruiserweight’s right hand. That is something I’ve got to get comfortable with.”

“I’m nowhere near the finished article, but I’m getting there. I will be the finished article in a couple of years and I will be unstoppable.”

[piye]

No I don't let my emotions get the better of me when assessing a fighter...I go by performances and what they are doing in the ring....You are using fanboy mentality....

You show your fanboy mentality by saying things such as "I have his career set do you?".....As if you are a kid showing off his new bike.....give it a break....If the guy allows someone like Barrett to make them fight his fight then someone the caliber of Vitaly would certainly have no problem....

But just to save you from any further headaches of trying to defend your fighter I will just put it straight..

Haye does not have the punching power to stop Vitaly...(neither does anyone else in the division).....He will not outbox Vitaly...He will not outslug Vitaly....He can not beat Vitaly simple as that

Oh please. I'm a grown man I'm not a 'fanboy' nor do I follow internet lingo; the purpose of me identifying that I have the David Haye box set was to let you know I have seen every single fight I have many other Box sets also not all of fighters I am a fan of.

Now having watched every fight boxers like Mormeck and Fragomeni (I'm not saying they are better than the Klitscho brothers) had a good enough amount of respect from Haye to ensure he sticks to his game plan until the knockout! My point was just because Haye didn't display that amount of respect here in one fight does not show his inability to stick to a game plan or be calm etc.

You have made an assessment of athletic ability based upon how many fights? where as I have made my assessment based on a career.

Firstoff "Fanboy" is not just internet lingo...There are biased announcers that exibit the same thing at times.....

If you actually believe that I have only seen one of Hayes fights and judge him on that alone then you just add to the Fanboy mentality IMO you are approaching your opinion of Haye with.....

If you actually read everything I said about Haye you would see I never said he always fought like that I used the fight with Barrett as a point on how he can not act if he ever expects to succeed in the HW division and if he is getting overzealous with a guy like Barrett and allowing a guy like Barrett to make him fight that erratic then what will he do when a genuine hard hitting mega HW is in there tapping him...

Fighters like many fans do not seem to realize the power difference between the CW division even the hardest of bangers and that of a 6'5" or 6'6" 245lb HW...or even one at 6'2" and 225lbs...whatis considered a light hitter in the HW ranks can be a power puncher in the CW division....

A fighter taste power he is not used to he can lose control...very easily....add that power coming from a man with skill and control that makes it even more dangerous....

Both klitschkos have that power..they hit hard for even heavyweights...Vitaly is especially brutal when he wants to be...He can also take the punches of the divisions biggest hitters and walk through them....Peter could not phase him..(Regardless of peoples opp of his chin or skill set the man can hit hard)....Lennox who was a huge puncher could not take him off his feet...

Vitaly is skilled...I believe he may have the highest KO% in the sport among champions i know he is over 90%......

He can box...he will be ugly if need be...he has no problem with fighting close nor waiting for the big shot to land......

I don't give a shit if you have seen Hayes fights 200 times and reenacted them in your backyard while drinking beer with your buddies...fact is

Unless Vitaly Klitschko goes in with 2 broke arms....David Haye can not beat the man....

Honestly, so you call me a fanboy but then say in the same amount of stupid text that there is no way that this man Vitali can lose right? and every boxing fan knows anything can happen in a ring; in a heavyweight fight a fight can change in one punch but not when Vitali Klitscho is involved is that what your saying? and you accuse me of being a 'fanboy' you just made one of the most rediculous posts I have seen and I don't really feel like communicating with you any more as I am wasting my time.