Sould fifteen round championship fights make a return?

[yvonne]

I was thinking of this a few months ago!I dont think the boxing board would ever change now!It does stand true that there is more of a chance a fighter could sustain more damage as the fight progresses.At the end of the day what the main aim is in the pro game of boxing is to cause maxium damage to your opponant.12rounds are spot on!Like you mention its a hour of pure action,thats enough time to enjoy a fight!!!

[CGM]

IMO the decision to go from 15-12 was somewhat of a kneejerk decision made to satisfy the general public that something was being done. I don't think a whole lot of thought went into the decision, for starters I really doubt they did research to determine the proportion of fatalities that resulted from injuries suffered in rounds 13-15 of title fights. And I rather doubt that this decision saved many lives. Probably there is proportionately more serious injuries and fatalities in non-title fights.

[SweetPea]

IMO the decision to go from 15-12 was somewhat of a kneejerk decision made to satisfy the general public that something was being done. I don't think a whole lot of thought went into the decision, for starters I really doubt they did research to determine the proportion of fatalities that resulted from injuries suffered in rounds 13-15 of title fights. And I rather doubt that this decision saved many lives. Probably there is proportionately more serious injuries and fatalities in non-title fights.

I agree.

I don't think 15 round fights are what led to serious injuries. What leads to injuries are fights that should be stopped but aren't, and that can happen in a 4 round fight or an 8 round fight or a 12 round fight too.

I waver back and forth on the 15 vs. 12 issue. When we think back to the era of 15-rounders, we tend to only think of the classic 15 round fights, and we forget that there were plenty of boring 15 rounders too. There were plenty of 15 rounders where Rounds 13-15 were just two exhausted guys clutching and grabbing each other.

Would I have liked to see Morales-Barrera or Pacquiao-Marquez for 15 rounds? Sure.

But how about Taylor-Spinks or Wlad-Ibragimov... does anyone wish those fights went 15 rounds? It would have just been 9 more minutes of boredom.

[Trainer Monkey]

IMO the decision to go from 15-12 was somewhat of a kneejerk decision made to satisfy the general public that something was being done. I don't think a whole lot of thought went into the decision, for starters I really doubt they did research to determine the proportion of fatalities that resulted from injuries suffered in rounds 13-15 of title fights. And I rather doubt that this decision saved many lives. Probably there is proportionately more serious injuries and fatalities in non-title fights.

I agree.

I don't think 15 round fights are what led to serious injuries. What leads to injuries are fights that should be stopped but aren't, and that can happen in a 4 round fight or an 8 round fight or a 12 round fight too.

I waver back and forth on the 15 vs. 12 issue. When we think back to the era of 15-rounders, we tend to only think of the classic 15 round fights, and we forget that there were plenty of boring 15 rounders too. There were plenty of 15 rounders where Rounds 13-15 were just two exhausted guys clutching and grabbing each other.

Would I have liked to see Morales-Barrera or Pacquiao-Marquez for 15 rounds? Sure.

But how about Taylor-Spinks or Wlad-Ibragimov... does anyone wish those fights went 15 rounds? It would have just been 9 more minutes of boredom.

Except with the Kim fight, there was no reason to stop the fight. He was fighting back and defending.
Quarry suffered from boxer dementia,Ali has Parkinsons,Frazier has slurred speach

[CGM]

IMO the decision to go from 15-12 was somewhat of a kneejerk decision made to satisfy the general public that something was being done. I don't think a whole lot of thought went into the decision, for starters I really doubt they did research to determine the proportion of fatalities that resulted from injuries suffered in rounds 13-15 of title fights. And I rather doubt that this decision saved many lives. Probably there is proportionately more serious injuries and fatalities in non-title fights.

I agree.

I don't think 15 round fights are what led to serious injuries. What leads to injuries are fights that should be stopped but aren't, and that can happen in a 4 round fight or an 8 round fight or a 12 round fight too.

I waver back and forth on the 15 vs. 12 issue. When we think back to the era of 15-rounders, we tend to only think of the classic 15 round fights, and we forget that there were plenty of boring 15 rounders too. There were plenty of 15 rounders where Rounds 13-15 were just two exhausted guys clutching and grabbing each other.

Would I have liked to see Morales-Barrera or Pacquiao-Marquez for 15 rounds? Sure.

But how about Taylor-Spinks or Wlad-Ibragimov... does anyone wish those fights went 15 rounds? It would have just been 9 more minutes of boredom.

Except with the Kim fight, there was no reason to stop the fight. He was fighting back and defending.
Quarry suffered from boxer dementia,Ali has Parkinsons,Frazier has slurred speach

So what's your point? I 'm pretty sure you are against going to 15 rounds. Are you arguing a cause & effect relationship between 15 round fights and all of the cases you have mentioned here? Cause I really am not convinced that there would have been significant less chance of these situations if they had fought 12 round fights. That is the issue.

[Trainer Monkey]

I agree.

I don't think 15 round fights are what led to serious injuries. What leads to injuries are fights that should be stopped but aren't, and that can happen in a 4 round fight or an 8 round fight or a 12 round fight too.

I waver back and forth on the 15 vs. 12 issue. When we think back to the era of 15-rounders, we tend to only think of the classic 15 round fights, and we forget that there were plenty of boring 15 rounders too. There were plenty of 15 rounders where Rounds 13-15 were just two exhausted guys clutching and grabbing each other.

Would I have liked to see Morales-Barrera or Pacquiao-Marquez for 15 rounds? Sure.

But how about Taylor-Spinks or Wlad-Ibragimov... does anyone wish those fights went 15 rounds? It would have just been 9 more minutes of boredom.

Except with the Kim fight, there was no reason to stop the fight. He was fighting back and defending.
Quarry suffered from boxer dementia,Ali has Parkinsons,Frazier has slurred speach

So what's your point? I 'm pretty sure you are against going to 15 rounds. Are you arguing a cause & effect relationship between 15 round fights and all of the cases you have mentioned here? Cause I really am not convinced that there would have been significant less chance of these situations if they had fought 12 round fights. That is the issue.

Sure there is, ever since theyve pulled the fights back to 12 rounds there seem to be less boxers who retired who can barely talk.
Why risk them like that,its not going to improve the sport anyway,it wont decrease draws,draws were just as common under 15 round fights as they are now

[CGM]

Except with the Kim fight, there was no reason to stop the fight. He was fighting back and defending.
Quarry suffered from boxer dementia,Ali has Parkinsons,Frazier has slurred speach

So what's your point? I 'm pretty sure you are against going to 15 rounds. Are you arguing a cause & effect relationship between 15 round fights and all of the cases you have mentioned here? Cause I really am not convinced that there would have been significant less chance of these situations if they had fought 12 round fights. That is the issue.

Sure there is, ever since theyve pulled the fights back to 12 rounds there seem to be less boxers who retired who can barely talk.
Why risk them like that,its not going to improve the sport anyway,it wont decrease draws,draws were just as common under 15 round fights as they are now

fair enough, if that's really true then I suppose one can hardly support 15 rds. I was thinking more of the immediate traumatic injury or death like that suffered by Kim. But the slurred speech thing, dementia, etc. kinda makes sense.

[SweetPea]

Except with the Kim fight, there was no reason to stop the fight. He was fighting back and defending.
Quarry suffered from boxer dementia,Ali has Parkinsons,Frazier has slurred speach

So what's your point? I 'm pretty sure you are against going to 15 rounds. Are you arguing a cause & effect relationship between 15 round fights and all of the cases you have mentioned here? Cause I really am not convinced that there would have been significant less chance of these situations if they had fought 12 round fights. That is the issue.

Sure there is, ever since theyve pulled the fights back to 12 rounds there seem to be less boxers who retired who can barely talk.
Why risk them like that,its not going to improve the sport anyway,it wont decrease draws,draws were just as common under 15 round fights as they are now

I think the big difference between now and the old days isn't that title fights are 12 instead of 15.

The big difference is that refs/cornermen are much faster to stop fights, no matter what round it is. If you watch old fights, you'll see fights where guys can barely stand up, yet the fight continues. There are tons of times where I'll watch an old fight, and I'll say to myself, "Wow, if that fight were taking place now, the ref definitely would've already stopped it."

[SweetPea]

IMO the decision to go from 15-12 was somewhat of a kneejerk decision made to satisfy the general public that something was being done. I don't think a whole lot of thought went into the decision, for starters I really doubt they did research to determine the proportion of fatalities that resulted from injuries suffered in rounds 13-15 of title fights. And I rather doubt that this decision saved many lives. Probably there is proportionately more serious injuries and fatalities in non-title fights.

I agree.

I don't think 15 round fights are what led to serious injuries. What leads to injuries are fights that should be stopped but aren't, and that can happen in a 4 round fight or an 8 round fight or a 12 round fight too.

I waver back and forth on the 15 vs. 12 issue. When we think back to the era of 15-rounders, we tend to only think of the classic 15 round fights, and we forget that there were plenty of boring 15 rounders too. There were plenty of 15 rounders where Rounds 13-15 were just two exhausted guys clutching and grabbing each other.

Would I have liked to see Morales-Barrera or Pacquiao-Marquez for 15 rounds? Sure.

But how about Taylor-Spinks or Wlad-Ibragimov... does anyone wish those fights went 15 rounds? It would have just been 9 more minutes of boredom.

Except with the Kim fight, there was no reason to stop the fight. He was fighting back and defending.
Quarry suffered from boxer dementia,Ali has Parkinsons,Frazier has slurred speach

OK, but Jerry Quarry went more than 12 rounds only once in his entire career. I don't see how 15 round fights have anything to do with his health issues.

[holmcall]

I was thinking of this a few months ago!I dont think the boxing board would ever change now!It does stand true that there is more of a chance a fighter could sustain more damage as the fight progresses.At the end of the day what the main aim is in the pro game of boxing is to cause maxium damage to your opponant.12rounds are spot on!Like you mention its a hour of pure action,thats enough time to enjoy a fight!!!

Well said!

[Andre]

I think it would be more interesting if like in the case of a draw like
Marquez /Pac if the ref goes to each corner and asks both sides if they want to go the fifteen.

[bikersk]

I've been wondering about this too just this year. 15 rounds brings another dimension to a fight i reckon. Fighters pacing themselves is far more important in the 15 i would think. However if there was a change certainly the medical boards etc would be up in arms and if there was an injury or god forbid a death in a 15 rounder then the organisation who sanctioned the fight is open to all sorts of trouble..

[Kel]

I think it would be more interesting if like in the case of a draw like
Marquez /Pac if the ref goes to each corner and asks both sides if they want to go the fifteen.

That would be great but would never happen

[Spicoli]

Count on a yes vote from Librado Andrade

[Spicoli]

Really though I think it just would not be practical....Too many Indians and not enough chiefs running the organizations today to resist and disagree,Not to mention the Medical officials.Fighters are trained and conditioned now a days being a bit more Clock conscious and timing out rounds....well some at least.As for a punishment/damage factor I just don't see it being that different.Damage is accumulative down the stretch but Some might just compensate with not just the first round being the "feeling out round" but adjust to 1,2 or more serving that purpose to reserve strength in the late rounds??May sound far fetched but It's possible. I'd stick with 12 max.

What I ask is why pick 12 in the first place.Even number as opposed to 15 making Draws seem more possible...at least mathematically without KD'ds and point deductions.I have heard of Tie breaker rounds,Don king floated that idea I think along with that stuff about open scoring,Ugh! Really,If they want to reform and/or make changes...Let them start with some type of insurance/unified body for fighters once they have exited the sport?