Calzaghe ducked the best?

[bambamdaddio]

What's Joe done wrong now?

Remained unbeaten? Done that.

Not stepped out of his back yard? Done that - Germany, Denmark and the US and if I wanna be pedantic then England and Scotland aswell.

Not been in a Unification? Kessler and Lacy anyone.

Longevity? Over 10 years as a champ.

Cameback from adversity? floored 4 times. Twice in the 1st and cameback to win.

Won while injured? Broke hand in 4th against Ashira and boxed onehanded to a points decision.

Not beaten anybody? Kessler, Lacy, Hopkins, Woodhall, Reid, Brewer, Mitchell are all good competition - doesn't matter who else you beat - you still beat them.

Beaten undefeated opponents? Veit, Lacy and Kessler.

Think he's just about done it all.

Enjoy your retirement Joe and let the armchair doubters remain in their armchairs.

Brilliant posting ...

[Mr140]

While were on this topic yea there are things Calzaghe could of done but o well he is not my favorite fighter in the world but he has done well.

[bambamdaddio]

Wonder if the TM dude while read what people said or keep saying the same thing like he has for the past post i mean just wondering.

Well said bud !!!

[Kirkland Laing]

Yeah which is why as soon as I said he was saying he was hurt,the first words out of the mouth of someone who watched the fight with me was, "It was his hand,wasnt it?"
It was pretty obvious

Yep, as obvious as Pavlik's flu symptoms.

Pavlik got taken to school,Kessler couldnt throw the hand,a wee bit different
I can see it now,a boxer saying,"You know two hands are overrated"

For somebody who couldn't throw his right hand he threw an awful lot of them during the fight. The hardest punches he hit Calzaghe with were all right hands. It was almost as if there was nothing wrong with his hand at all.

[bambamdaddio]

Yep, as obvious as Pavlik's flu symptoms.

Pavlik got taken to school,Kessler couldnt throw the hand,a wee bit different
I can see it now,a boxer saying,"You know two hands are overrated"

For somebody who couldn't throw his right hand he threw an awful lot of them during the fight. The hardest punches he hit Calzaghe with were all right hands. It was almost as if there was nothing wrong with his hand at all.

Nice one & as Kess said at the time "I think I hit him harder & more often than any opponent has"
not bad for someone with a so called dodgy hand is it

[No Contest]

hey i agree with you.. but he was prepared to fight both of them years back but wanted the fight in wales...

He really did waste the best years of his career..

Now, come on, do you really think he could demand that, that was pre-Lacy fight.... He wasn't the bigger draw so he really couldn't ask that now could he...you can say thats ducking.

So working on your line of thinking bud when Hopkins tried to double his money to 6 m after his team had provisionally accepted 3 m,

Well I suppose ya could call that ducking too couldnt ya ... as its pricing yourself out of it....

Your gonna have to refresh my memory, when was this, because I never really heard of Joe until the Lacy fight. Your talking about a fight in the 90's? When B-hop and RJJ were in their prime? Why did Joe pull out of fights with Glen Johnson so many times? You cannot go and say Joe didn't pick and choose his fights back then. Theres a word for that, what is it....hmm coddled maybe?

[Violent Demise]

Can you guys give me your opions and help settle an argument
I am debating with someone who believes that calzaghe did not go to the us in his prime thus avoiding b hop and RJJ in there prime what are your opinions please

Any knowledgeable poster knows Calzaghe ducked the best. He refused to come to US in his prime. He refused to go into Germany and fight the feather fisted Sven Ottke. Punked out against Glen Johnson 3 times. And after a hard, close fight that many felt he lost refused to rematch Robin Reid. Just like he's refusing to rematch Hopkins. Facts don't lie

[Kirkland Laing]

Can you guys give me your opions and help settle an argument
I am debating with someone who believes that calzaghe did not go to the us in his prime thus avoiding b hop and RJJ in there prime what are your opinions please

Any knowledgeable poster knows Calzaghe ducked the best. He refused to come to US in his prime. He refused to go into Germany and fight the feather fisted Sven Ottke. Punked out against Glen Johnson 3 times. And after a hard, close fight that many felt he lost refused to rematch Robin Reid. Just like he's refusing to rematch Hopkins. Facts don't lie

These aren't facts, they're just your opinion, and why should we listen to somebody who's continually wrong about Calzaghe? You told us Kessler was going to beat him. You told us Hopkins was going to beat him and acted like a little kid after Joe won, claiming Hopkins won the fight. Then you told us Jones was going to knock him out.

[Kirkland Laing]

It's nice to see you back btw, even if you are a miserable bastard who hates Calzaghe.

[Violent Demise]

Can you guys give me your opions and help settle an argument
I am debating with someone who believes that calzaghe did not go to the us in his prime thus avoiding b hop and RJJ in there prime what are your opinions please

Any knowledgeable poster knows Calzaghe ducked the best. He refused to come to US in his prime. He refused to go into Germany and fight the feather fisted Sven Ottke. Punked out against Glen Johnson 3 times. And after a hard, close fight that many felt he lost refused to rematch Robin Reid. Just like he's refusing to rematch Hopkins. Facts don't lie

These aren't facts, they're just your opinion, and why should we listen to somebody who's continually wrong about Calzaghe? You told us Kessler was going to beat him. You told us Hopkins was going to beat him and acted like a little kid after Joe won, claiming Hopkins won the fight. Then you told us Jones was going to knock him out.

Calzaghe fought Glen Johnson? When? He rematched Reid? When? When exactly did he travel into Germany for the Ottke fight? What I posted were facts. Not opinion. And this is coming from a huge Calzaghe fan as you know

Hopkins did beat Calzaghe. Calzaghe knows it himself. Why you think he's saying no to the rematch? Jones had the tools to stop Calzaghe. He just didn't have the age any more. And Kessler lack of heart was a disappointment. I was wrong to back Kessler. That I will admit was a mistake.

[Kirkland Laing]

Any knowledgeable poster knows Calzaghe ducked the best. He refused to come to US in his prime. He refused to go into Germany and fight the feather fisted Sven Ottke. Punked out against Glen Johnson 3 times. And after a hard, close fight that many felt he lost refused to rematch Robin Reid. Just like he's refusing to rematch Hopkins. Facts don't lie

These aren't facts, they're just your opinion, and why should we listen to somebody who's continually wrong about Calzaghe? You told us Kessler was going to beat him. You told us Hopkins was going to beat him and acted like a little kid after Joe won, claiming Hopkins won the fight. Then you told us Jones was going to knock him out.

Calzaghe fought Glen Johnson? When? He rematched Reid? When? When exactly did he travel into Germany for the Ottke fight? What I posted were facts. Not opinion. And this is coming from a huge Calzaghe fan as you know

Hopkins did beat Calzaghe. Calzaghe knows it himself. Why you think he's saying no to the rematch? Jones had the tools to stop Calzaghe. He just didn't have the age any more. And Kessler lack of heart was a disappointment. I was wrong to back Kessler. That I will admit was a mistake.

Glen Johnson was roughly as good as Clinton Woods who Calzaghe would have done a Jeff Lacy on. Calzaghe didn't fight him because of injuries not because he was worried about losing to him. Reid and Ottke wanted nothing to do with him, both were offered fights. And if you're honest you'd admit you backed Lacy against him but you hate Calzaghe so much you can't admit it.

And Hopkins had to cheat in the tenth round because he couldn't keep up with Calzaghe. He lost the fight and you just can't face it and you can't face that you were wrong about Roy Jones too. And you hate Calzaghe so much that you're now knocking Kessler when you used to tell us how good he is. Pathetic.

[Tysonbruno]

Yep, as obvious as Pavlik's flu symptoms.

Pavlik got taken to school,Kessler couldnt throw the hand,a wee bit different
I can see it now,a boxer saying,"You know two hands are overrated"

For somebody who couldn't throw his right hand he threw an awful lot of them during the fight. The hardest punches he hit Calzaghe with were all right hands. It was almost as if there was nothing wrong with his hand at all.

When it was rumoured before the fight i thought it was the left Hand Kessler had hurt.

[Tysonbruno]

I give him credit for beating a young unbeaten fighter in Kessler and if he went to the states and fought another young unbeaten fighter in Dawson i would give him credit again. Because he went to the state and played it pretty safe really fighting 2 old men in Hopkins and Jones i know Hopkins did a job on Pavlik but he is still an old Hopkins and then when he went to Denmark and Germany it was to fight McIntyre and Veit a man he had previously stopped in 1 round all pretty safe bets for travelling to fight really. he fought a faded old weight drained Eubank for the Vacant WBO title then he fought bums and former champs some only a few fights from retirement then he fought Lacy which made him a unified champ but then followed this with Bika and Manfredo Peter Manfredo this was a complete joke even the stoppage was a joke then he fought his best fight in my opinion Kessler but then followed this with Hopkins then Roy Jones who turned out to be more washed up than most first thought. He should have been fighting fighters in the world top ten when he was Super middle champ i think he wasted his best years ive said it this already but Frank Warren said himself that Joe pulled out of 10-12 good fights he lined him up he also said that if it weren't for himself and Joe's dad he was gunna pull out vs Lacy. Joe also said in 2006 that he dont need places like Las Vegas and Madison Square Garden they don't interest him then on 24/7 he's saying things like this is what its all about what better way to go out in the Garden the mecca of boxing. Ducked the best ?? to a certain degree yes but more right place right time or coming along at wrong time if he had come along when their was Eubank,Benn,Collins,Toney and Jones in the Super middleweights we could all be saying different things or maybe not talking about him at all.

[bambamdaddio]

I give him credit for beating a young unbeaten fighter in Kessler and if he went to the states and fought another young unbeaten fighter in Dawson i would give him credit again. Because he went to the state and played it pretty safe really fighting 2 old men in Hopkins and Jones i know Hopkins did a job on Pavlik but he is still an old Hopkins and then when he went to Denmark and Germany it was to fight McIntyre and Veit a man he had previously stopped in 1 round all pretty safe bets for travelling to fight really. he fought a faded old weight drained Eubank for the Vacant WBO title then he fought bums and former champs some only a few fights from retirement then he fought Lacy which made him a unified champ but then followed this with Bika and Manfredo Peter Manfredo this was a complete joke even the stoppage was a joke then he fought his best fight in my opinion Kessler but then followed this with Hopkins then Roy Jones who turned out to be more washed up than most first thought. He should have been fighting fighters in the world top ten when he was Super middle champ i think he wasted his best years ive said it this already but Frank Warren said himself that Joe pulled out of 10-12 good fights he lined him up he also said that if it weren't for himself and Joe's dad he was gunna pull out vs Lacy. Joe also said in 2006 that he dont need places like Las Vegas and Madison Square Garden they don't interest him then on 24/7 he's saying things like this is what its all about what better way to go out in the Garden the mecca of boxing. Ducked the best ?? to a certain degree yes but more right place right time or coming along at wrong time if he had come along when their was Eubank,Benn,Collins,Toney and Jones in the Super middleweights we could all be saying different things or maybe not talking about him at all.

For Lacy he had a knackered hand, thats the only reason he nearly pulled out ....

& rightly or wrongly with Joe, I think he really believed he was the best & that they should come to him ... but its the round in circles thing again some may agree yet some dont ... opinions again aint it bud ... the re match with Veit he was furious over but had no choice I think Veit had become mandatory at the time & refused to step aside for Joe to take a bigger fight which off hand escapes me ....

But interesting to note that Nigel Benn wished Joe had been around in his day too .. but also went on to say he thinks he woulda still come out on top of the pile tho...

With Joe people will always be divided, but good to see you as a none JC fan not sounding spiteful which is seeming to be the pattern with some of late...

Lol ... but I wrote a message to another member the other night re Joe C, & I was high lighting the comparison of the Monty Python Witch sketch re Joe ...


"He's a witch ...

"No Im not"

"Well ya look like a witch, youve got a big nose & pointed hat",

"Yes but they put them on me"....

"Well did you" ....

"Well yes,we did"

"But hes still a witch so burn him anyway lol"...


Im sure ya get my drift bud ...& I am in no way implying your post does the above but there are a group of Witch hunters out there that just wanna burn Joe anyway..

[ono]

Can you guys give me your opions and help settle an argument
I am debating with someone who believes that calzaghe did not go to the us in his prime thus avoiding b hop and RJJ in there prime what are your opinions please

Just use the Hopkins doubling his purse from 3 to 6 million argument. Calzaghe tried to make the fight but he wasn't interested. Nothing you can do if the other guy doesn't want to fight you.

Anyway, as sonny said, Calzaghe was a nobody back then. Roy could fight far easier guys for probably the same money he would have got for Calzaghe. So why fight him?

Yeah that's true. Hopkins agreed and then changed his mind, demanding double.

He might not have always fought the best in their prime but it wasn't just his fault.