Someone explain this to me (Floyd/Hatton weight issue)

[CFH]

OK bud, here goes, for starters Floyd WILL always beat Hatton, but would have a tougher time at lite welter why ... its dead simple,

Because the mental attitude Hatton develops at lite welter is a million miles away from the one he has at welter.....

Why?

Because Hatton has to train like a b*****d to get down to that weight, & everything has to be spot on A plus or he cant make the weight ... no odd pints of guiness or meat pies...he trains to such an extent that he becomes sharper and less sluggish, he becomes lean as fk, strong mean & hard because of what he has had to go thru....at lite welter he cant cut one corner ... not one ...but he can at welter & has in the past ...

He would still get beat by Floyd at this weight ... but dont make the mistake of thinking this would be exactly the same because it wouldnt, yes he would still prob lose, but you sure as hell would see a different fight from Hatton at LW....

Sorry, but that's a bullshit excuse and it doesn't make any sense. The problem then, according to you, is his dedication, not the weight. If he would've been so much better at 140, why not weigh in at 140 then?

If you can't be properly motivated to train to the maximum extent of your ability when you are facing the best boxer in the world, then you a are a fucking joke.

You would see the exact same fight from Hatton at 140.

[bambamdaddio]

OK bud, here goes, for starters Floyd WILL always beat Hatton, but would have a tougher time at lite welter why ... its dead simple,

Because the mental attitude Hatton develops at lite welter is a million miles away from the one he has at welter.....

Why?

Because Hatton has to train like a b*****d to get down to that weight, & everything has to be spot on A plus or he cant make the weight ... no odd pints of guiness or meat pies...he trains to such an extent that he becomes sharper and less sluggish, he becomes lean as fk, strong mean & hard because of what he has had to go thru....at lite welter he cant cut one corner ... not one ...but he can at welter & has in the past ...

He would still get beat by Floyd at this weight ... but dont make the mistake of thinking this would be exactly the same because it wouldnt, yes he would still prob lose, but you sure as hell would see a different fight from Hatton at LW....

Sorry, but that's a bullshit excuse and it doesn't make any sense. The problem then, according to you, is his dedication, not the weight. If he would've been so much better at 140, why not weigh in at 140 then?

If you can't be properly motivated to train to the maximum extent of your ability when you are facing the best boxer in the world, then you a are a fucking joke.

You would see the exact same fight from Hatton at 140.

Chill out man dont take it personal ... & your wrong too

[CFH]

OK bud, here goes, for starters Floyd WILL always beat Hatton, but would have a tougher time at lite welter why ... its dead simple,

Because the mental attitude Hatton develops at lite welter is a million miles away from the one he has at welter.....

Why?

Because Hatton has to train like a b*****d to get down to that weight, & everything has to be spot on A plus or he cant make the weight ... no odd pints of guiness or meat pies...he trains to such an extent that he becomes sharper and less sluggish, he becomes lean as fk, strong mean & hard because of what he has had to go thru....at lite welter he cant cut one corner ... not one ...but he can at welter & has in the past ...

He would still get beat by Floyd at this weight ... but dont make the mistake of thinking this would be exactly the same because it wouldnt, yes he would still prob lose, but you sure as hell would see a different fight from Hatton at LW....

Sorry, but that's a bullshit excuse and it doesn't make any sense. The problem then, according to you, is his dedication, not the weight. If he would've been so much better at 140, why not weigh in at 140 then?

If you can't be properly motivated to train to the maximum extent of your ability when you are facing the best boxer in the world, then you a are a fucking joke.

You would see the exact same fight from Hatton at 140.

Chill out man dont take it personal ... & your wrong too

lol, how am I taking things personally? I just feel that your explanation is invalid and extremely flawed. I seriously doubt that a fighter with Hatton's drive and ability would need the extra edge that making 140 provides. And if that is the case, Hatton and his team should be well aware of it, so why not weigh in at 140 then? It's not like he would need the extra weight against PBF, they would still end up entering the ring at a similar weight.

PVF,in addition to being an accurate, counter-punching, defensive master is simply a better fighter than Hatton in almost every, if not every, aspect of the game. I was cheering for Hatton, and I would if they should fight again, but they could meet at any weight from 105-300lbs and PBF would win.

How am I wrong? Refute some of my points and I'll gladly continue the discussion with you.

[Trainer Monkey]

Sorry, but that's a bullshit excuse and it doesn't make any sense. The problem then, according to you, is his dedication, not the weight. If he would've been so much better at 140, why not weigh in at 140 then?

If you can't be properly motivated to train to the maximum extent of your ability when you are facing the best boxer in the world, then you a are a fucking joke.

You would see the exact same fight from Hatton at 140.

Chill out man dont take it personal ... & your wrong too

lol, how am I taking things personally? I just feel that your explanation is invalid and extremely flawed. I seriously doubt that a fighter with Hatton's drive and ability would need the extra edge that making 140 provides. And if that is the case, Hatton and his team should be well aware of it, so why not weigh in at 140 then? It's not like he would need the extra weight against PBF, they would still end up entering the ring at a similar weight.

PVF,in addition to being an accurate, counter-punching, defensive master is simply a better fighter than Hatton in almost every, if not every, aspect of the game. I was cheering for Hatton, and I would if they should fight again, but they could meet at any weight from 105-300lbs and PBF would win.

How am I wrong? Refute some of my points and I'll gladly continue the discussion with you.

The words "Hatton" and "drive" rarelly if ever come up with out the words "doesnt have any" in the same sentence
I love watching Hatton fight,but face facts son,he's just about the laziest SOB who ever made that level as a fighter

[bambamdaddio]

Sorry, but that's a bullshit excuse and it doesn't make any sense. The problem then, according to you, is his dedication, not the weight. If he would've been so much better at 140, why not weigh in at 140 then?

If you can't be properly motivated to train to the maximum extent of your ability when you are facing the best boxer in the world, then you a are a fucking joke.

You would see the exact same fight from Hatton at 140.

Chill out man dont take it personal ... & your wrong too

lol, how am I taking things personally? I just feel that your explanation is invalid and extremely flawed. I seriously doubt that a fighter with Hatton's drive and ability would need the extra edge that making 140 provides. And if that is the case, Hatton and his team should be well aware of it, so why not weigh in at 140 then? It's not like he would need the extra weight against PBF, they would still end up entering the ring at a similar weight.

PVF,in addition to being an accurate, counter-punching, defensive master is simply a better fighter than Hatton in almost every, if not every, aspect of the game. I was cheering for Hatton, and I would if they should fight again, but they could meet at any weight from 105-300lbs and PBF would win.

How am I wrong? Refute some of my points and I'll gladly continue the discussion with you.

If you cant even understand why he wont weigh in as a smaller fighter how can you understand me .. your saying fight a welter but come in as a lite welter then...lets clear that up first...

[CFH]

Chill out man dont take it personal ... & your wrong too

lol, how am I taking things personally? I just feel that your explanation is invalid and extremely flawed. I seriously doubt that a fighter with Hatton's drive and ability would need the extra edge that making 140 provides. And if that is the case, Hatton and his team should be well aware of it, so why not weigh in at 140 then? It's not like he would need the extra weight against PBF, they would still end up entering the ring at a similar weight.

PVF,in addition to being an accurate, counter-punching, defensive master is simply a better fighter than Hatton in almost every, if not every, aspect of the game. I was cheering for Hatton, and I would if they should fight again, but they could meet at any weight from 105-300lbs and PBF would win.

How am I wrong? Refute some of my points and I'll gladly continue the discussion with you.

If you cant even understand why he wont weigh in as a smaller fighter how can you understand me .. your saying fight a welter but come in as a lite welter then...lets clear that up first...

Pretty easy to clear up, PBF was not a true welter. He entered the ring weight significantly less than a typical welter would. He also began his career at a lower weigh than Hatton.

If Hatton was fighting someone other than PBF, that point would be valid.

[Trainer Monkey]

And before the fight here gets personall
Why I can see it
Ricky is notorious for blowing off training and diet,knowing he had to get down in weight, might force some discipline on him wether he liked it or not.
Would that have made a difference against Floyd? Who knows. But it probably have been better for him then letting him slack his way up in weight.

[bambamdaddio]

And before the fight here gets personall
Why I can see it
Ricky is notorious for blowing off training and diet,knowing he had to get down in weight, might force some discipline on him wether he liked it or not.
Would that have made a difference against Floyd? Who knows. But it probably have been better for him then letting him slack his way up in weight.

HALLAYLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLYA ..MY WHOLE POINT ....THANX BUD FOR UNDERSTANDING ME...

[bambamdaddio]

lol, how am I taking things personally? I just feel that your explanation is invalid and extremely flawed. I seriously doubt that a fighter with Hatton's drive and ability would need the extra edge that making 140 provides. And if that is the case, Hatton and his team should be well aware of it, so why not weigh in at 140 then? It's not like he would need the extra weight against PBF, they would still end up entering the ring at a similar weight.

PVF,in addition to being an accurate, counter-punching, defensive master is simply a better fighter than Hatton in almost every, if not every, aspect of the game. I was cheering for Hatton, and I would if they should fight again, but they could meet at any weight from 105-300lbs and PBF would win.

How am I wrong? Refute some of my points and I'll gladly continue the discussion with you.

If you cant even understand why he wont weigh in as a smaller fighter how can you understand me .. your saying fight a welter but come in as a lite welter then...lets clear that up first...

Pretty easy to clear up, PBF was not a true welter. He entered the ring weight significantly less than a typical welter would. He also began his career at a lower weigh than Hatton.

If Hatton was fighting someone other than PBF, that point would be valid.

Bud ya missing my point ... Hatton is sharper & more explosive at lite welter and would fight a better fight than last timme ... nothing to do with Floyd & his weight ... nothing at all ... its what Hatton has to go thru to make lite welter that changes him as a fighter ...

Floyd is the greatest fighter of his generation for me but Ricky Hatton did not fight his best fight againsrt Floyd at welter thats all Im saying....he woulda fought his fight better at lw ... no more no less

So you dont agree that the extra training & discipline make a difference thats fine & your opinion & as Ive said I respect that with anyone..

[CFH]

If you cant even understand why he wont weigh in as a smaller fighter how can you understand me .. your saying fight a welter but come in as a lite welter then...lets clear that up first...

Pretty easy to clear up, PBF was not a true welter. He entered the ring weight significantly less than a typical welter would. He also began his career at a lower weigh than Hatton.

If Hatton was fighting someone other than PBF, that point would be valid.

Bud ya missing my point ... Hatton is sharper & more explosive at lite welter and would fight a better fight than last timme ... nothing to do with Floyd & his weight ... nothing at all ... its what Hatton has to go thru to make lite welter that changes him as a fighter ...

Floyd is the greatest fighter of his generation for me but Ricky Hatton did not fight his best fight againsrt Floyd at welter thats all Im saying....he woulda fought his fight better at lw ... no more no less

So you dont agree that the extra training & discipline make a difference thats fine & your opinion & as Ive said I respect that with anyone..

If he is so much better at LW, and he must be aware of this, then why not come in at that weight. PBF was not never going to be significantly bigger than Hatton, regardless of whether Hatton came in at 140 or 145 (which is what I think he weighed in at), and the weight wouldn't have made any more than a marginal difference, one that would easily be offset by a "sharper, more explosive" Hatton. Of course extra training and discipline make a difference, but I'm sure Hatton wasn't spending his prefight training time drinking guiness and eating burgers. I highly doubt he let his training slip during the run up to fight the best fighter in the world, that, IMO, is a ridiculous assertion. Hatton and his team believed weighing in at 140 would've given him a better chance against PBF, then they would've done it as, because of the fact that Floyd is not even a natural 140lber, the weight discrepency would've been negligable.

I'm not trying to be mean, but your argument makes little sense to me. PBF owns Hatton at whatever weight they fight at. Like others have mentioned, PBF would also be sharper and faster at 140, negative whatever supposed advantage you think Hatton would have.