Someone explain this to me (Floyd/Hatton weight issue)

[ICB]

The only thing Ricky Hatton could beat Floyd Mayweather at is a drinking contest.

[leftylee]

Has leftylee not got any idea why this weight issue has been mentioned about the fight..

If you want my opinion I'll send you a PM.

I don't like talking about Hatton in debates on here as things can get real heated at times. Then the insults start flying "Your just a fucking hater" "shutup groupie" etc. No need for it whatsoever.

[bambamdaddio]

I agree and I am also a Hatton fan

If Ricky wants to be a great he has to take these fights - he was soundly beaten. Ok the ref did him no favours but he was outclassed simple as that.

If they fought at 140 it may be a closer fight but I still see same outcome - but would be there at Wembley if it came off

He was kayoed convincingly. Judah and Boldomir went difference . Didn't Corley go distance too ? can't remember weight for that one

Mate have you read my post you have just repeated what Ive said..

[CGM]

OK bud, here goes, for starters Floyd WILL always beat Hatton, but would have a tougher time at lite welter why ... its dead simple,

Because the mental attitude Hatton develops at lite welter is a million miles away from the one he has at welter.....

Why?

Because Hatton has to train like a b*****d to get down to that weight, & everything has to be spot on A plus or he cant make the weight ... no odd pints of guiness or meat pies...he trains to such an extent that he becomes sharper and less sluggish, he becomes lean as fk, strong mean & hard because of what he has had to go thru....at lite welter he cant cut one corner ... not one ...but he can at welter & has in the past ...

He would still get beat by Floyd at this weight ... but dont make the mistake of thinking this would be exactly the same because it wouldnt, yes he would still prob lose, but you sure as hell would see a different fight from Hatton at LW....

& for the record Im a massive fan of both & picked Hatton to get stopped after 8 rounds in there previous dust up at Welter...

OK, so Hatton is a little sharper at JWW. From what I have seen, so is Mayweather.

Exactly thats what I said .. he would still lose but you would see a better Hatton thats all I was saying & he is more sluggish at Welter both mentally & physically...

no, you said Mayweather would have a tougher time of it at JWW. And I implied no he wouldn't, because he (Mayweather) is also sharper at JWW. I'm not disagreeing that Hatton is sharper at JWW, I'm just saying so is Mayweather, things cancel out. No big deal though.

[Beanflicker]

Has leftylee not got any idea why this weight issue has been mentioned about the fight..

If you want my opinion I'll send you a PM.

I don't like talking about Hatton in debates on here as things can get real heated at times. Then the insults start flying "Your just a fucking hater" "shutup groupie" etc. No need for it whatsoever.

I can't speak for everyone who will post here, but I can assure you I keep things civil whenever possible.

I really, really would like an explanation of the weight issue if you have one.

[Beanflicker]

OK bud, here goes, for starters Floyd WILL always beat Hatton, but would have a tougher time at lite welter why ... its dead simple,

Because the mental attitude Hatton develops at lite welter is a million miles away from the one he has at welter.....

Why?

Because Hatton has to train like a b*****d to get down to that weight, & everything has to be spot on A plus or he cant make the weight ... no odd pints of guiness or meat pies...he trains to such an extent that he becomes sharper and less sluggish, he becomes lean as fk, strong mean & hard because of what he has had to go thru....at lite welter he cant cut one corner ... not one ...but he can at welter & has in the past ...

He would still get beat by Floyd at this weight ... but dont make the mistake of thinking this would be exactly the same because it wouldnt, yes he would still prob lose, but you sure as hell would see a different fight from Hatton at LW....

& for the record Im a massive fan of both & picked Hatton to get stopped after 8 rounds in there previous dust up at Welter...

I don't agree with that, but I will rep you for posting a reasonable explanation

[bambamdaddio]

OK bud, here goes, for starters Floyd WILL always beat Hatton, but would have a tougher time at lite welter why ... its dead simple,

Because the mental attitude Hatton develops at lite welter is a million miles away from the one he has at welter.....

Why?

Because Hatton has to train like a b*****d to get down to that weight, & everything has to be spot on A plus or he cant make the weight ... no odd pints of guiness or meat pies...he trains to such an extent that he becomes sharper and less sluggish, he becomes lean as fk, strong mean & hard because of what he has had to go thru....at lite welter he cant cut one corner ... not one ...but he can at welter & has in the past ...

He would still get beat by Floyd at this weight ... but dont make the mistake of thinking this would be exactly the same because it wouldnt, yes he would still prob lose, but you sure as hell would see a different fight from Hatton at LW....

& for the record Im a massive fan of both & picked Hatton to get stopped after 8 rounds in there previous dust up at Welter...

I don't agree with that, but I will rep you for posting a reasonable explanation

& Big respect to ya for that bud .. because thats all I was trying to do based on what I know of Hatton & the times Ive chatted with him which is only a couple...

& I respect your view of not agreeing with me I really do ... because I really dont mind who agrees or disagrees, Im simply putting together a point of view from how I see it & if it causes more debate then thats brilliant .....

If I have said anything too uncivil in my posts then I apologize here & now to all of you & with sincerity..

[Trainer Monkey]

OK bud, here goes, for starters Floyd WILL always beat Hatton, but would have a tougher time at lite welter why ... its dead simple,

Because the mental attitude Hatton develops at lite welter is a million miles away from the one he has at welter.....

Why?

Because Hatton has to train like a b*****d to get down to that weight, & everything has to be spot on A plus or he cant make the weight ... no odd pints of guiness or meat pies...he trains to such an extent that he becomes sharper and less sluggish, he becomes lean as fk, strong mean & hard because of what he has had to go thru....at lite welter he cant cut one corner ... not one ...but he can at welter & has in the past ...

He would still get beat by Floyd at this weight ... but dont make the mistake of thinking this would be exactly the same because it wouldnt, yes he would still prob lose, but you sure as hell would see a different fight from Hatton at LW....

& for the record Im a massive fan of both & picked Hatton to get stopped after 8 rounds in there previous dust up at Welter...

I don't agree with that, but I will rep you for posting a reasonable explanation

& Big respect to ya for that bud .. because thats all I was trying to do based on what I know of Hatton & the times Ive chatted with him which is only a couple...

& I respect your view of not agreeing with me I really do ... because I really dont mind who agrees or disagrees, Im simply putting together a point of view from how I see it & if it causes more debate then thats brilliant .....

If I have said anything too uncivil in my posts then I apologize here & now to all of you & with sincerity..

I can see that actually,Ricky is a guy who if you give him a margin for error,he'll be happy to take it. So I can see him having to discipline himself for a lower weight may indeed help him.

[leftylee]

Has leftylee not got any idea why this weight issue has been mentioned about the fight..

If you want my opinion I'll send you a PM.

I don't like talking about Hatton in debates on here as things can get real heated at times. Then the insults start flying "Your just a fucking hater" "shutup groupie" etc. No need for it whatsoever.

I can't speak for everyone who will post here, but I can assure you I keep things civil whenever possible.

I really, really would like an explanation of the weight issue if you have one.

I might type one up to tommorow. I would now but I'll be calling it a night soon as I'm up early in the morning.

[CFH]

OK bud, here goes, for starters Floyd WILL always beat Hatton, but would have a tougher time at lite welter why ... its dead simple,

Because the mental attitude Hatton develops at lite welter is a million miles away from the one he has at welter.....

Why?

Because Hatton has to train like a b*****d to get down to that weight, & everything has to be spot on A plus or he cant make the weight ... no odd pints of guiness or meat pies...he trains to such an extent that he becomes sharper and less sluggish, he becomes lean as fk, strong mean & hard because of what he has had to go thru....at lite welter he cant cut one corner ... not one ...but he can at welter & has in the past ...

He would still get beat by Floyd at this weight ... but dont make the mistake of thinking this would be exactly the same because it wouldnt, yes he would still prob lose, but you sure as hell would see a different fight from Hatton at LW....

Sorry, but that's a bullshit excuse and it doesn't make any sense. The problem then, according to you, is his dedication, not the weight. If he would've been so much better at 140, why not weigh in at 140 then?

If you can't be properly motivated to train to the maximum extent of your ability when you are facing the best boxer in the world, then you a are a fucking joke.

You would see the exact same fight from Hatton at 140.

Chill out man dont take it personal ... & your wrong too

lol, how am I taking things personally? I just feel that your explanation is invalid and extremely flawed. I seriously doubt that a fighter with Hatton's drive and ability would need the extra edge that making 140 provides. And if that is the case, Hatton and his team should be well aware of it, so why not weigh in at 140 then? It's not like he would need the extra weight against PBF, they would still end up entering the ring at a similar weight.

PVF,in addition to being an accurate, counter-punching, defensive master is simply a better fighter than Hatton in almost every, if not every, aspect of the game. I was cheering for Hatton, and I would if they should fight again, but they could meet at any weight from 105-300lbs and PBF would win.

How am I wrong? Refute some of my points and I'll gladly continue the discussion with you.

[bambamdaddio]

I don't agree with that, but I will rep you for posting a reasonable explanation

& Big respect to ya for that bud .. because thats all I was trying to do based on what I know of Hatton & the times Ive chatted with him which is only a couple...

& I respect your view of not agreeing with me I really do ... because I really dont mind who agrees or disagrees, Im simply putting together a point of view from how I see it & if it causes more debate then thats brilliant .....

If I have said anything too uncivil in my posts then I apologize here & now to all of you & with sincerity..

I can see that actually,Ricky is a guy who if you give him a margin for error,he'll be happy to take it. So I can see him having to discipline himself for a lower weight may indeed help him.

Honest it really does make a difference with Rick ... but cheers for taking the time to at least understand where Im coming from ... thats much appreciated bud...

[Trainer Monkey]

Sorry, but that's a bullshit excuse and it doesn't make any sense. The problem then, according to you, is his dedication, not the weight. If he would've been so much better at 140, why not weigh in at 140 then?

If you can't be properly motivated to train to the maximum extent of your ability when you are facing the best boxer in the world, then you a are a fucking joke.

You would see the exact same fight from Hatton at 140.

Chill out man dont take it personal ... & your wrong too

lol, how am I taking things personally? I just feel that your explanation is invalid and extremely flawed. I seriously doubt that a fighter with Hatton's drive and ability would need the extra edge that making 140 provides. And if that is the case, Hatton and his team should be well aware of it, so why not weigh in at 140 then? It's not like he would need the extra weight against PBF, they would still end up entering the ring at a similar weight.

PVF,in addition to being an accurate, counter-punching, defensive master is simply a better fighter than Hatton in almost every, if not every, aspect of the game. I was cheering for Hatton, and I would if they should fight again, but they could meet at any weight from 105-300lbs and PBF would win.

How am I wrong? Refute some of my points and I'll gladly continue the discussion with you.

The words "Hatton" and "drive" rarelly if ever come up with out the words "doesnt have any" in the same sentence
I love watching Hatton fight,but face facts son,he's just about the laziest SOB who ever made that level as a fighter

[bambamdaddio]

Sorry, but that's a bullshit excuse and it doesn't make any sense. The problem then, according to you, is his dedication, not the weight. If he would've been so much better at 140, why not weigh in at 140 then?

If you can't be properly motivated to train to the maximum extent of your ability when you are facing the best boxer in the world, then you a are a fucking joke.

You would see the exact same fight from Hatton at 140.

Chill out man dont take it personal ... & your wrong too

lol, how am I taking things personally? I just feel that your explanation is invalid and extremely flawed. I seriously doubt that a fighter with Hatton's drive and ability would need the extra edge that making 140 provides. And if that is the case, Hatton and his team should be well aware of it, so why not weigh in at 140 then? It's not like he would need the extra weight against PBF, they would still end up entering the ring at a similar weight.

PVF,in addition to being an accurate, counter-punching, defensive master is simply a better fighter than Hatton in almost every, if not every, aspect of the game. I was cheering for Hatton, and I would if they should fight again, but they could meet at any weight from 105-300lbs and PBF would win.

How am I wrong? Refute some of my points and I'll gladly continue the discussion with you.

If you cant even understand why he wont weigh in as a smaller fighter how can you understand me .. your saying fight a welter but come in as a lite welter then...lets clear that up first...

[CFH]

Chill out man dont take it personal ... & your wrong too

lol, how am I taking things personally? I just feel that your explanation is invalid and extremely flawed. I seriously doubt that a fighter with Hatton's drive and ability would need the extra edge that making 140 provides. And if that is the case, Hatton and his team should be well aware of it, so why not weigh in at 140 then? It's not like he would need the extra weight against PBF, they would still end up entering the ring at a similar weight.

PVF,in addition to being an accurate, counter-punching, defensive master is simply a better fighter than Hatton in almost every, if not every, aspect of the game. I was cheering for Hatton, and I would if they should fight again, but they could meet at any weight from 105-300lbs and PBF would win.

How am I wrong? Refute some of my points and I'll gladly continue the discussion with you.

If you cant even understand why he wont weigh in as a smaller fighter how can you understand me .. your saying fight a welter but come in as a lite welter then...lets clear that up first...

Pretty easy to clear up, PBF was not a true welter. He entered the ring weight significantly less than a typical welter would. He also began his career at a lower weigh than Hatton.

If Hatton was fighting someone other than PBF, that point would be valid.

[Trainer Monkey]

And before the fight here gets personall
Why I can see it
Ricky is notorious for blowing off training and diet,knowing he had to get down in weight, might force some discipline on him wether he liked it or not.
Would that have made a difference against Floyd? Who knows. But it probably have been better for him then letting him slack his way up in weight.