Who was better....

[CutMeMick]

From those 3.

SRL
Hagler
Hearns
*I rate Duran higher then them in a P4P status.

That's a thread in and of itself. I don't get how so many people can rate Duran so damn high on the all time p4p lists. On the basis of what? his time at lightweight? HIs badass image? Would you rate Duran higher than Arguello? Higher than Chavez? There are a number of fighters who have more victories against big names than Duran. Fighters who have had far more success moving up through the divisions. Who's the biggest name Duran has a +record against? Iknow Duran is good, but he aint that good. IMHO

Luckly I've delt with someone like you before who questioned Durans P4P status. (Not that theres anything wrong with questioning)
But people don't look at the big picture...

A boxers greatness is not measured by 1 or 2 or 3 things. It's a mixture of a handful of things. Durans great because he fought through adversity because he beat all time greats. Because he fought the best of his era, the next era and the next era. Because when he has listed as the underdog he came out on top, because when they said he was done he won. Because his skills were amazing because he could adapt to any style in the ring.

Here's a post that should put things into light a bit more for you as far as Durans career.

http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...tml#post436770

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From those 3.

SRL
Hagler
Hearns
*I rate Duran higher then them in a P4P status.

That's a thread in and of itself. I don't get how so many people can rate Duran so damn high on the all time p4p lists. On the basis of what? his time at lightweight? HIs badass image? Would you rate Duran higher than Arguello? Higher than Chavez? There are a number of fighters who have more victories against big names than Duran. Fighters who have had far more success moving up through the divisions. Who's the biggest name Duran has a +record against? Iknow Duran is good, but he aint that good. IMHO

Luckly I've delt with someone like you before who questioned Durans P4P status. (Not that theres anything wrong with questioning)
But people don't look at the big picture...

A boxers greatness is not measured by 1 or 2 or 3 things. It's a mixture of a handful of things. Durans great because he fought through adversity because he beat all time greats. Because he fought the best of his era, the next era and the next era. Because when he has listed as the underdog he came out on top, because when they said he was done he won. Because his skills were amazing because he could adapt to any style in the ring.

Here's a post that should put things into light a bit more for you as far as Durans career.

http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...tml#post436770

Actually I do think I look at the big picture.

I know he lost to all of the big 4 or 5 you rank him above, add Benitez to that list. I know he never had a succesful title defence above lightweight. I know when it comes to victories over the best there are several who have more.

Anyway I don't really have the patience to spend what will obviously be a lot of time going through these points with a fine tooth comb. Except to say that a lot of your points are subjective. I've followed the sport closely for many years, although I probably haven't watched as many fights as you have. Buying or downloading old fights is not the way I like to spend my time and/or money.

A lot of it depends on what your criteria are for greatness. Lots of room for opinion there. Sure Duran is an all time great, but to be consistently ranked top 5 by so many, I don't agree. Not so much that he doesn't deserve it, just that there are several others who are equally deserving IMO, who never get ranked as high as he does.

p.s. your list is pretty good IMO, cheers keep up the good work

[kingfrnk]

SRL

he beat them all

[bambamdaddio]

SRL

he beat them all

Hey good point bud and my all time fav boxer too is SRL based on what Ive seen over the years & what he was doing in the eighties when I was a young bloke so Ill go with the SRL call too..

[CutMeMick]

I've followed the sport closely for many years, although I probably haven't watched as many fights as you have. Buying or downloading old fights is not the way I like to spend my time and/or money.

For the most part I don't have the time either but I make time...
I've have a portable DVD player, I have fights in my I-Pod, I always carry a boxing mag. so I've got something to read.
I work 1 full time job and I also do some part time work. But I squeeze in time or find a way to make time for my boxing. Fights download for me while I sleep. I burn and convert fights while I'm out doing things.

I do spend time and money on this cause it's a passion of the sport it's something that's been a part of me for so long. All I heard growing up was boxing talk between my uncles and dad. I've mentioned this before but my name is actually "Roberto" (I go by Robert) because my pops named me after Roberto Duran his fav. boxer.

So if your coming out and saying you don't understand why Duran is ranked so high up in P4P list and at the same time what you've seen of his career has been limited and is somewhat based on his record vs. SRL, Hearns & Hagler and how his record looks on paper. Then maybe you should take some time to download some fights so that you can see for yourself with your very own eyes why Duran is so highly regarded.

I just feel that Durans greatness or for that matter any boxers greatness is NOT just about numbers but like I said, skills, opposition, adversity, titles and ofcourse record/numbers is also part of it.
Duran also happens to be the 1st Latino fighter to win titles in 4 div. something that JCC couldn't do, nore Alexis. (Oddly enough the only other one to have done this is not an ATG Leo Gamez)

A lot of it depends on what your criteria are for greatness. Lots of room for opinion there. Sure Duran is an all time great, but to be consistently ranked top 5 by so many, I don't agree. Not so much that he doesn't deserve it, just that there are several others who are equally deserving IMO, who never get ranked as high as he does.

That's something I can def. agree with.
Take Alexis Arguello for example...
Nevermind his career by the numbers as far as titles, wins etc. etc.
His skills and ring generalship was amazing and so elusive.
It's fucken magical to watch him fight, yet you rarely if any see him ranked in P4P lists.

p.s. your list is pretty good IMO, cheers keep up the good work

Thanks, it's so hard to try and make a list especially a P4P list.
Like I said my list changes often, I'm sure if you ask me next week to make another one. Without looking at this one it would look different.

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From those 3.

SRL
Hagler
Hearns
*I rate Duran higher then them in a P4P status.

That's a thread in and of itself. I don't get how so many people can rate Duran so damn high on the all time p4p lists. On the basis of what? his time at lightweight? HIs badass image? Would you rate Duran higher than Arguello? Higher than Chavez? There are a number of fighters who have more victories against big names than Duran. Fighters who have had far more success moving up through the divisions. Who's the biggest name Duran has a +record against? Iknow Duran is good, but he aint that good. IMHO

Luckly I've delt with someone like you before who questioned Durans P4P status. (Not that theres anything wrong with questioning)
But people don't look at the big picture...

A boxers greatness is not measured by 1 or 2 or 3 things. It's a mixture of a handful of things. Durans great because he fought through adversity because he beat all time greats. Because he fought the best of his era, the next era and the next era. Because when he has listed as the underdog he came out on top, because when they said he was done he won. Because his skills were amazing because he could adapt to any style in the ring.

Here's a post that should put things into light a bit more for you as far as Durans career.

http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...tml#post436770

Roberto i know your on about me but i watched most of the fights you mentioned, and i also learnt alot more about him. And i do no longer question him. Im not sure if you have seen this thread i made after that debate we had along time ago.

But here it is.

http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...wrong-way.html

And as for the thread i would have to say Marvin Hagler, i thought he got a draw against SRL. And he really should have only 1 loss IMO, and even though SRL may of had better single wins.

Marvin Hagler gets the number 1 spot IMO, because he was more consistent. Where as SRL retired alot and wern't as consistent, after his best win against Thomas Hearns. He only had 8 fights in 16 years.

1 Marvin Hagler
2 Sugar Ray Leonard
3 Thomas Hearns
4 Roberto Duran

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That's a thread in and of itself. I don't get how so many people can rate Duran so damn high on the all time p4p lists. On the basis of what? his time at lightweight? HIs badass image? Would you rate Duran higher than Arguello? Higher than Chavez? There are a number of fighters who have more victories against big names than Duran. Fighters who have had far more success moving up through the divisions. Who's the biggest name Duran has a +record against? Iknow Duran is good, but he aint that good. IMHO

Luckly I've delt with someone like you before who questioned Durans P4P status. (Not that theres anything wrong with questioning)
But people don't look at the big picture...

A boxers greatness is not measured by 1 or 2 or 3 things. It's a mixture of a handful of things. Durans great because he fought through adversity because he beat all time greats. Because he fought the best of his era, the next era and the next era. Because when he has listed as the underdog he came out on top, because when they said he was done he won. Because his skills were amazing because he could adapt to any style in the ring.

Here's a post that should put things into light a bit more for you as far as Durans career.

http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...tml#post436770

Roberto i know your on about me but i watched most of the fights you mentioned, and i also learnt alot more about him. And i do no longer question him. Im not sure if you have seen this thread i made after that debate we had along time ago.

But here it is.

http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...wrong-way.html

And as for the thread i would have to say Marvin Hagler, i thought he got a draw against SRL. And he really should have only 1 loss IMO, and even though SRL may of had better single wins.

Marvin Hagler gets the number 1 spot IMO, because he was more consistent. Where as SRL retired alot and wern't as consistent, after his best win against Thomas Hearns. He only had 8 fights in 16 years.

1 Marvin Hagler
2 Sugar Ray Leonard
3 Thomas Hearns
4 Roberto Duran

IS that your all time p4p ranking of the four ICB, or just a comparison of the time when they fought each other?