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From those 3.

SRL
Hagler
Hearns



*I rate Duran higher then them in a P4P status.
That's a thread in and of itself. I don't get how so many people can rate Duran so damn high on the all time p4p lists. On the basis of what? his time at lightweight? HIs badass image? Would you rate Duran higher than Arguello? Higher than Chavez? There are a number of fighters who have more victories against big names than Duran. Fighters who have had far more success moving up through the divisions. Who's the biggest name Duran has a +record against? Iknow Duran is good, but he aint that good. IMHO
Are you kidding me Duran would mop the floor with Arguello or Chavez. He is on another level, he is bigger and stronger than Chavez, a more vicious inside fighter, harder to hit, faster.

Duran beat a ton of guys, I dont' wnat to go through it all but Leonard was among them.

He fought Hagler who people thought would kill him becuase he was a natural lightweight at one point, and gave Hagler a huge scare. He came back repeatedly at way higher weights to knock out prospects.

ANyways based on the fighters you mentioned

obviously
1) Ray Leonard, He didn't fight in three years and still came out close to even with Hagler in their fight... if not winning the fight. He beat Hearns when they were in their prime, he beat Duran in their second meeting, and their first was a great battle. He stopped Benitez. IMO he is quite a bit ahead of the rest of the field.
2) Thomas Hearns: I think if he was the size he was at welterweight naturally at middleweight he would be 6'3-6'4 and hit as hard as Lennox Lewis. Lets see Hagler try to deal with that kind of power when Thomas Hearns buckeled his knees with that first uppercut.
3) Marvin Hagler: I know he was a great fighter, but I think he gets overrated if anyone on here. He biggest wins were against smaller guys, he didn't fight guys who ended up having the greatest track record at middleweight, He is kind of like Hopkins was before Hopkins went up to LHW and beat Tarver, WRight, IMO CAlzaghe, and Pavlik. Only while Hopkins did that Hagler whether he won or not was embarrassed by Leonard who hadn't foughten in three years because of a detached retina. People say HAgler was past it, but he was what 32 or 33? Hopkins has been holding at least even with the likes of Calzaghe and Wright while being 7 years their seniors. Then what he did to Pavlik who IMO is similar to Mugabi in hype and form, maybe will be better by the time his career is over.
Taeth just because one fighter can fight past 40, doesn't mean every boxer can. Take Riddick Bowe for example he was a shot fighter at 28, plus Marvin Hagler had been alot more tough fights than Bernard Hopkins. And alot of things come into it.

Marvin Hagler had tough fights against Thomas Hearns, Juan Roldan, Vito Antuofermo, Bennie Briscoe, Kevin Finnegan x2, Willie Monroe 1, and the brutal war with John Mugabi.

Plus he had 66 fights coming into the SRL fight, which is many more than Bernard Hopkins. And many more tough grueling fights than Bernard Hopkins.

Thomas Hearns wasn't a natural Welterweight he moved up as far as Cruiserweight, so he was very comfortable at Middleweight. Just look what he did to James Shuler at Middleweight, that will tell you how good his power still was at Middleweight.

A few more comments i would like to add is did you know Wilfredo Benitez, only trained 2 weeks for SRL ? why do you think people wanted a rematch ? Roberto Duran had stomach cramps in the rematch against SRL, and he actually wanted to pull out. But Don King wouldn't let him.

If you see clips of Roberto Duran's training sessions before, the rematch against SRL. You would see he was very flat.

Lastly theres no way Roberto Duran would ever mop the floor, with great fighters like Alexis Arguello, Julio Cesar Chavez.