Who was better....

[DAWGSWIN]

Are you kidding me Duran would mop the floor with Arguello or Chavez. He is on another level, he is bigger and stronger than Chavez, a more vicious inside fighter, harder to hit, faster.

Duran beat a ton of guys, I dont' wnat to go through it all but Leonard was among them.

He fought Hagler who people thought would kill him becuase he was a natural lightweight at one point, and gave Hagler a huge scare. He came back repeatedly at way higher weights to knock out prospects.

ANyways based on the fighters you mentioned

obviously
1) Ray Leonard, He didn't fight in three years and still came out close to even with Hagler in their fight... if not winning the fight. He beat Hearns when they were in their prime, he beat Duran in their second meeting, and their first was a great battle. He stopped Benitez. IMO he is quite a bit ahead of the rest of the field.
2) Thomas Hearns: I think if he was the size he was at welterweight naturally at middleweight he would be 6'3-6'4 and hit as hard as Lennox Lewis. Lets see Hagler try to deal with that kind of power when Thomas Hearns buckeled his knees with that first uppercut.
3) Marvin Hagler: I know he was a great fighter, but I think he gets overrated if anyone on here. He biggest wins were against smaller guys, he didn't fight guys who ended up having the greatest track record at middleweight, He is kind of like Hopkins was before Hopkins went up to LHW and beat Tarver, WRight, IMO CAlzaghe, and Pavlik. Only while Hopkins did that Hagler whether he won or not was embarrassed by Leonard who hadn't foughten in three years because of a detached retina. People say HAgler was past it, but he was what 32 or 33? Hopkins has been holding at least even with the likes of Calzaghe and Wright while being 7 years their seniors. Then what he did to Pavlik who IMO is similar to Mugabi in hype and form, maybe will be better by the time his career is over.

Yes, Hagler was 32 and had been fighting for 14 years at the time of the SRL fight. That fight was his 67th. Hopkins has 56 in 20 years.

Obviously not counting that Hopkins was the prison system champion

Nor was I counting Marvin Hagler's amateur career, when he was AAU champion.

And another thing, that uppercut was at best an attention getter. People drag that out constantly as if Hearns was about to KO Hagler. If anything it hastened his own demise!

[GAME]

Its gotta be Leonard cuz he beat em all !

[BIG H]

If they fought 12 round fights back then, then Hearns would've won a comfortable decision against SRL first time - and we all know what happened the 2nd time.

Mind you if my Aunty had bollox sh'ed be my uncle

Going back to the Duran argument. Anybody who thinks Duran is overrated and doesn't deserve his place on the all time p4p list has only watched him on Boxrec You can only tell so much on paper!

Have a look and see how many of the most respected boxing experts/writers/pundits don't have Duran top 10 all time p4p. I don't think you'll find 1!

[CGM]

If they fought 12 round fights back then, then Hearns would've won a comfortable decision against SRL first time - and we all know what happened the 2nd time.

Mind you if my Aunty had bollox sh'ed be my uncle

Going back to the Duran argument. Anybody who thinks Duran is overrated and doesn't deserve his place on the all time p4p list has only watched him on Boxrec You can only tell so much on paper!

Have a look and see how many of the most respected boxing experts/writers/pundits don't have Duran top 10 all time p4p. I don't think you'll find 1!

I guess you're referring to me, since I don't see anyone else raising issues about Duran's exalted status.

Obviously has only watched him on Boxrec? OK dude if you say so. I've seen him plenty, but you go ahead and say what you want. Sure a boxer's record isn't everything, but it's a lot, unless you will tell me it doesn't count for a lot? I suppose you watched many many of his fights, and others, and done your own careful analysis? When you give your props to Calzaghe, what do you go on if it aint his record?

btw I never said he wasn't great, I only questioned whether or not he was that much greater than others who never get ranked as high. And I can give a lot of reasons based on fights they've won and lost, titles they've defended, etc. And I choose not to say yeah Duran must be top 5 just because a lot of people in the business say he is, but you go ahead and do that if you want.

Top 10 ain't too far out of line tho.

[holmcall]

Records are like numbers; they don't lie. SRL beat both Tommy and Hagler.

[BIG H]

If they fought 12 round fights back then, then Hearns would've won a comfortable decision against SRL first time - and we all know what happened the 2nd time.

Mind you if my Aunty had bollox sh'ed be my uncle

Going back to the Duran argument. Anybody who thinks Duran is overrated and doesn't deserve his place on the all time p4p list has only watched him on Boxrec You can only tell so much on paper!

Have a look and see how many of the most respected boxing experts/writers/pundits don't have Duran top 10 all time p4p. I don't think you'll find 1!

I guess you're referring to me, since I don't see anyone else raising issues about Duran's exalted status.

Obviously has only watched him on Boxrec? OK dude if you say so. I've seen him plenty, but you go ahead and say what you want. Sure a boxer's record isn't everything, but it's a lot, unless you will tell me it doesn't count for a lot? I suppose you watched many many of his fights, and others, and done your own careful analysis? When you give your props to Calzaghe, what do you go on if it aint his record?

btw I never said he wasn't great, I only questioned whether or not he was that much greater than others who never get ranked as high. And I can give a lot of reasons based on fights they've won and lost, titles they've defended, etc. And I choose not to say yeah Duran must be top 5 just because a lot of people in the business say he is, but you go ahead and do that if you want.

Top 10 ain't too far out of line tho.

I wasn't specifically referring to you, this is an age old debate that has gone on for years on here and that's what I was referring to.