People Are Idiots

[Youngblood]

We get bears around here ALL the time. Rarely ever heard of one being shot. Haven't heard of anyone getting bit or eaten by one either. I've seen dozens personally..heck more then dozens...if we consider the city garbage dump near night fall where with flashlights it is tradition to go chase them around. (ya, it's stupid...no need comment on that part)

They even have a sign up, worded something like..."Danger: Don't pester the bears! Or you will be prosecuted for trespassing..."

We trap them and take em out to the woods. If they come back...we take em out a bit further. Kinda simple, actually.

List of fatal bear attacks in North America by decade - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Sorry,I live in a rural area,and Id kind of like to handle it myself if it comes up.
Im not going hunting for them,but if it comes up,I want to be able to handle my own buisness on the spot, rather then ask the rangers if theyd kindly remove my kid from the black bear

Seeing as we are doing lists...

Gun violence in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[Trainer Monkey]

We get bears around here ALL the time. Rarely ever heard of one being shot. Haven't heard of anyone getting bit or eaten by one either. I've seen dozens personally..heck more then dozens...if we consider the city garbage dump near night fall where with flashlights it is tradition to go chase them around. (ya, it's stupid...no need comment on that part)

They even have a sign up, worded something like..."Danger: Don't pester the bears! Or you will be prosecuted for trespassing..."

We trap them and take em out to the woods. If they come back...we take em out a bit further. Kinda simple, actually.

List of fatal bear attacks in North America by decade - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Sorry,I live in a rural area,and Id kind of like to handle it myself if it comes up.
Im not going hunting for them,but if it comes up,I want to be able to handle my own buisness on the spot, rather then ask the rangers if theyd kindly remove my kid from the black bear

Seeing as we are doing lists...

Gun violence in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Like Im going to pull my gun on anyone,I dont even fire the thing. Like I said,which has been roundly ignored,its double trigger locked and in my storage room. Its only a tool for wildlife managment. Stop trying to paint me like Im an NRA member,because I hate the NRA with a passion. I said before,Im all for reasonable gun control.
The original point was "Why even have a gun"
Well I responded there are legitimate reasons to own a firearm. Now suddenly Im the NRA member.
Not bloody likely. I own one gun, and for one reason.
The only animals Ive even killed in the last ten years, was two worriesome raccoons,and that was with a bow.
Sorry,your both barking up the wrong tree,Im not a gun nut,and I dont hunt,and even though legally I could have one,I dont own a pistol.

[Youngblood]

List of fatal bear attacks in North America by decade - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Sorry,I live in a rural area,and Id kind of like to handle it myself if it comes up.
Im not going hunting for them,but if it comes up,I want to be able to handle my own buisness on the spot, rather then ask the rangers if theyd kindly remove my kid from the black bear

Seeing as we are doing lists...

Gun violence in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Like Im going to pull my gun on anyone,I dont even fire the thing. Like I said,which has been roundly ignored,its double trigger locked and in my storage room. Its only a tool for wildlife managment. Stop trying to paint me like Im an NRA member,because I hate the NRA with a passion. I said before,Im all for reasonable gun control.
The original point was "Why even have a gun"
Well I responded there are legitimate reasons to own a firearm. Now suddenly Im the NRA member.
Not bloody likely. I own one gun, and for one reason.
The only animals Ive even killed in the last ten years, was two worriesome raccoons,and that was with a bow.
Sorry,your both barking up the wrong tree,Im not a gun nut,and I dont hunt,and even though legally I could have one,I dont own a pistol.

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Well I didn't call you anything. Could care less what you position is on guns. I just like talking about bears, becuz I personally know a bit about them...

[Trainer Monkey]

Seeing as we are doing lists...

Gun violence in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Like Im going to pull my gun on anyone,I dont even fire the thing. Like I said,which has been roundly ignored,its double trigger locked and in my storage room. Its only a tool for wildlife managment. Stop trying to paint me like Im an NRA member,because I hate the NRA with a passion. I said before,Im all for reasonable gun control.
The original point was "Why even have a gun"
Well I responded there are legitimate reasons to own a firearm. Now suddenly Im the NRA member.
Not bloody likely. I own one gun, and for one reason.
The only animals Ive even killed in the last ten years, was two worriesome raccoons,and that was with a bow.
Sorry,your both barking up the wrong tree,Im not a gun nut,and I dont hunt,and even though legally I could have one,I dont own a pistol.

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Well I didn't call you anything. Could care less what you position is on guns. I just like talking about bears, becuz I personally know a bit about them...

So do I
Last I checked,its my states official animal.
If you catch them in the wild,they run for it,we get whats called down here,"town bears",they on the other hand get dangerous, and have been known to attack. Everybody down here knows if your chased by a bear,corner,they dont corner worth a crap.
It isnt like Im thrilled with owning a gun, but town bears can get dangerous, mainly because theyve stopped fearing people. So the gun becomes one of those things you keep around the house hoping it never comes up that you have to use it.
As far as the Coons,we tried relocating them, they came back,and got even more agressive,having pets and the kid,I really didnt have a choice in the matter. Sorry,Im not having my kid or my dog mauled by a bear,or having my cats get rabies when I can handle the situation all on my own.
Taint happening magee
Now maybe in Canada,the bears act and react differently, I dont know,I dont live in Canada,but I do know that once you get a town bear in WV,youve got a serious problem on your hands,and youd best be prepared to deal with it.

[Youngblood]

lol still though...not sure why this is a big debate about bears.

I doubt very much our bears are special in any way, in that they are different from yours. City bears and country bears. One of them generally needs a ride to the woods when it gets pesky. We go in the house and call up the police and shortly the wildlife peeps are trapin' it and doing what they get paid for. As I say, it's real simple. See it all the time.

How about we stick to the point of a kid shooting 2 people with a gun. Maybe what motivated it, and why he had such easy access to the gun. I think a read and look through domestic related violence with firearms, or even accidentally deaths by firearms might be more legit to talk about here.

But yea...I like talkin' bears, they all fuzzy and cute...in a badass way.

[Trainer Monkey]

lol still though...not sure why this is a big debate about bears.

I doubt very much our bears are special in any way, in that they are different from yours. City bears and country bears. One of them generally needs a ride to the woods when it gets pesky. We go in the house and call up the police and shortly the wildlife peeps are trapin' it and doing what they get paid for. As I say, it's real simple. See it all the time.

How about we stick to the point of a kid shooting 2 people with a gun. Maybe what motivated it, and why he had such easy access to the gun. I think a read and look through domestic related violence with firearms, or even accidentally deaths by firearms might be more legit to talk about here.

But yea...I like talkin' bears, they all fuzzy and cute...in a badass way.

I guess we're a little more rural then you,you call wildlife control,you aint seeing them for quite some time. By that I mean days.Or at all,theyre stretched a little thin.They still cant tag that town bear up near Athens.
The original question was "Why even have a gun"
And that was my response,pointing out that there are legitimate reasons to own a gun,and not every gun owner is dancing around the house pretending to be Dirty Harry.
He didnt seem to get that.

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I think the big thing about this was that the kid shot not one person, but two people. Even though he didn't plan it out, there's obviously a serious screw loose whereby he would turn the gun on someone and fire AFTER HE ALREADY shot someone else. He definately should not be tried as an adult because he is too young and his mind is still developing, but nonetheless, you don't just throw this kid in juve for a few years. His being only eight doesn't change the fact that he is quite possibly ill (yes, children can be crazy too). This kid needs tons of psychological help.

[CGM]

An eight year old may not appreciate all the ramifications of such an action, and I'm not sure about "meticulously plan", but I'd say an 8 year old who watches tv is entirely capable of being angry at his Dad, and is also entirely capable of understanding that one way to solve your Daddy problem is to shoot him. Maybe not all 8-year olds, but some nonetheless.

[Trainer Monkey]

An eight year old may not appreciate all the ramifications of such an action, and I'm not sure about "meticulously plan", but I'd say an 8 year old who watches tv is entirely capable of being angry at his Dad, and is also entirely capable of understanding that one way to solve your Daddy problem is to shoot him. Maybe not all 8-year olds, but some nonetheless.

But can you say the kid really understood the ramifications of what he was doing?
Thats one of the key points that has to be proved for murder 1.
I mean,Keannu Reeves gets shot all the time,and comes back stronger then ever.
One of the reasons I dont let my kid watch violent movies

[CGM]

An eight year old may not appreciate all the ramifications of such an action, and I'm not sure about "meticulously plan", but I'd say an 8 year old who watches tv is entirely capable of being angry at his Dad, and is also entirely capable of understanding that one way to solve your Daddy problem is to shoot him. Maybe not all 8-year olds, but some nonetheless.

But can you say the kid really understood the ramifications of what he was doing?
Thats one of the key points that has to be proved for murder 1.
I mean,Keannu Reeves gets shot all the time,and comes back stronger then ever.
One of the reasons I dont let my kid watch violent movies

I addressed that point directly in my post. But I'll repeat, no not all of the ramifications will be understood by the kid.

I'll also add yes, the kid most likely understands that he can kill someone by shooting them, and when you kill someone they don't come back. The sort of ramifications he is maybe not likely to understand is stuff like the moral sanctity of life, and also the fact that in a civilised society you don't just go around shooting people you don't like.

[Trainer Monkey]

An eight year old may not appreciate all the ramifications of such an action, and I'm not sure about "meticulously plan", but I'd say an 8 year old who watches tv is entirely capable of being angry at his Dad, and is also entirely capable of understanding that one way to solve your Daddy problem is to shoot him. Maybe not all 8-year olds, but some nonetheless.

But can you say the kid really understood the ramifications of what he was doing?
Thats one of the key points that has to be proved for murder 1.
I mean,Keannu Reeves gets shot all the time,and comes back stronger then ever.
One of the reasons I dont let my kid watch violent movies

I addressed that point directly in my post. But I'll repeat, no not all of the ramifications will be understood by the kid.

I'll also add yes, the kid most likely understands that he can kill someone by shooting them, and when you kill someone they don't come back. The sort of ramifications he is maybe not likely to understand is stuff like the moral sanctity of life, and also the fact that in a civilised society you don't just go around shooting people you don't like.

I'll admit,my kid is kind of sheltered,we dont even let him watch Ed,Ed,and Eddie or Chowder because we find it objectionable, but I just cant see him going and grabbing a gun in a pre-meditated murder,and understanding the ramifications of what he was about.
I could see the kid,wanting to hurt his father,but I dont think the kid got that when you do that,they stay gone. Or even what death really means.

[CGM]

But can you say the kid really understood the ramifications of what he was doing?
Thats one of the key points that has to be proved for murder 1.
I mean,Keannu Reeves gets shot all the time,and comes back stronger then ever.
One of the reasons I dont let my kid watch violent movies

I addressed that point directly in my post. But I'll repeat, no not all of the ramifications will be understood by the kid.

I'll also add yes, the kid most likely understands that he can kill someone by shooting them, and when you kill someone they don't come back. The sort of ramifications he is maybe not likely to understand is stuff like the moral sanctity of life, and also the fact that in a civilised society you don't just go around shooting people you don't like.

I'll admit,my kid is kind of sheltered,we dont even let him watch Ed,Ed,and Eddie or Chowder because we find it objectionable, but I just cant see him going and grabbing a gun in a pre-meditated murder,and understanding the ramifications of what he was about.
I could see the kid,wanting to hurt his father,but I dont think the kid got that when you do that,they stay gone. Or even what death really means.

Well, you would know best about your own kid, Im not saying that all 8 year olds understand the concept of death, or even that they should understand those concepts. What I am saying is that it is entirely possible for an 8 year old to nderstand those concepts, it is not beyond their capabilities. It would depend on what they are taught, or on what they have been exposed to.

I can't say it any better than that, perhaps we'll have to agree to disagree.