Why does HBO hate on Margarito

[Taeth]

I don't think they hate on him. The biggest thing i've heard was Max Kellerman after the Williams fight saying how Margarito took half the money to fight Mosley he would get from Williams.

First Max is a tool in my opinion. He's got some knowledge but he seems to have an agenda in his interviews and post fight comments.

Second, Mosley is a better name, and on the way out in his career. If he is confident in winning you take Mosley now, and let the Williams fight build cause he's young and gonna be around a long time.

But Williams won't be a welterweight for very long, He's too big to stay at the weight forever, IMO Margarito is waiting for Williams to have to kill himself to make weight or move up, and be out of Tony's division. I don't like some things that Max does, but he wants the best fights, that make the most sense and isn't afraid to call fighters out who aren't taking them.

I love the fact that he brought up Dawson with Calzaghe, Why the fuck should have Joe been fighting Roy JOnes Jr? It was a bullshit fight, and why won't he fight Bernard Hopkins again? Or Glen Johnson who has been at the top of the LHW heap for the past 5 years?

Margarito is complaining that Mayweather isn't facing him, when Mayweather was chasing the linear welterweight belt for more money against Baldomir who made a name for himself, and now Margarito won't fight the only WW who he has lost to in years. Or Clottey who was doing very well before he hurt his hands. Mayweather fought Castillo the second time to prove himself, but people ask why guys like Margarito aren't liked, because they complain all the time, then they don't take risks unless it falls into their lap, or they have no other choice, but as soon as they are at the top they are the same as everyone else.

[luvfightgame]

I don't think they hate on him. The biggest thing i've heard was Max Kellerman after the Williams fight saying how Margarito took half the money to fight Mosley he would get from Williams.

First Max is a tool in my opinion. He's got some knowledge but he seems to have an agenda in his interviews and post fight comments.

Second, Mosley is a better name, and on the way out in his career. If he is confident in winning you take Mosley now, and let the Williams fight build cause he's young and gonna be around a long time.

But Williams won't be a welterweight for very long, He's too big to stay at the weight forever, IMO Margarito is waiting for Williams to have to kill himself to make weight or move up, and be out of Tony's division. I don't like some things that Max does, but he wants the best fights, that make the most sense and isn't afraid to call fighters out who aren't taking them.

I love the fact that he brought up Dawson with Calzaghe, Why the fuck should have Joe been fighting Roy JOnes Jr? It was a bullshit fight, and why won't he fight Bernard Hopkins again? Or Glen Johnson who has been at the top of the LHW heap for the past 5 years?

Margarito is complaining that Mayweather isn't facing him, when Mayweather was chasing the linear welterweight belt for more money against Baldomir who made a name for himself, and now Margarito won't fight the only WW who he has lost to in years. Or Clottey who was doing very well before he hurt his hands. Mayweather fought Castillo the second time to prove himself, but people ask why guys like Margarito aren't liked, because they complain all the time, then they don't take risks unless it falls into their lap, or they have no other choice, but as soon as they are at the top they are the same as everyone else.

Do you really think that fighters are afraid of one another? Just because someone doesn't fight one guy in their next fight doesn't mean they won't fight them. Also usually the handlers make the fights, not the fighters. Most fighters will fight whomever.

I don't think that Margarito is ducking anyone because he takes another fight before a guy. Especially when his promoter has publicly stated a number of times he doesn't do immediate rematches. Also after the Williams fight Max read the statement that Arum doesn't want to deal with Williams handlers. I wouldn't blame that on Margarito.

I want Calzaghe to fight Johnson also. I do think Dawson is a big threat but Johnson deserves it and will give anyone a tough fight. I think Joe takes it though.

[Onix]

Cotto is a fighter who had never tasted defeat, bullys his opponents, outclasses them, outboxes them and pretty much rearranges them (MAglinaggi) he had been getting really cocky in the ring as of late against Gomez etc. to actually make that guy take a knee now once but twice is a good case for destroying them, maybe not the body but the spirit.

Cotto took a beating for however many rounds some people would say 2 rounds other would say from round 6 on that kinda beating stays with a boxer, Cotto's tough but he met his superior in heart, guts, stamina, and determination. It was very clear in between some of the rounds that cotto looked maybe not scarred but he had the look of WTF did i just run into. i support cotto all the way but he got owned ive said it before and ill say it again. If there a rematch i would not be surprised to see some mental effects from the first fight. He knows MArgo has his number.

[Taeth]

Cotto is a fighter who had never tasted defeat, bullys his opponents, outclasses them, outboxes them and pretty much rearranges them (MAglinaggi) he had been getting really cocky in the ring as of late against Gomez etc. to actually make that guy take a knee now once but twice is a good case for destroying them, maybe not the body but the spirit.

Cotto took a beating for however many rounds some people would say 2 rounds other would say from round 6 on that kinda beating stays with a boxer, Cotto's tough but he met his superior in heart, guts, stamina, and determination. It was very clear in between some of the rounds that cotto looked maybe not scarred but he had the look of WTF did i just run into. i support cotto all the way but he got owned ive said it before and ill say it again. If there a rematch i would not be surprised to see some mental effects from the first fight. He knows MArgo has his number.

Once again people throw around words like owned way too loosely.

[Onix]

Cotto is a fighter who had never tasted defeat, bullys his opponents, outclasses them, outboxes them and pretty much rearranges them (MAglinaggi) he had been getting really cocky in the ring as of late against Gomez etc. to actually make that guy take a knee now once but twice is a good case for destroying them, maybe not the body but the spirit.

Cotto took a beating for however many rounds some people would say 2 rounds other would say from round 6 on that kinda beating stays with a boxer, Cotto's tough but he met his superior in heart, guts, stamina, and determination. It was very clear in between some of the rounds that cotto looked maybe not scarred but he had the look of WTF did i just run into. i support cotto all the way but he got owned ive said it before and ill say it again. If there a rematch i would not be surprised to see some mental effects from the first fight. He knows MArgo has his number.

Once again people throw around words like owned way too loosely.

so what would you call it then? a fight with mosley gives margo exactly what he needs more recognition to go after big fights. but my original point what would you call what margo did to cotto? just winning?

[Taeth]

Cotto is a fighter who had never tasted defeat, bullys his opponents, outclasses them, outboxes them and pretty much rearranges them (MAglinaggi) he had been getting really cocky in the ring as of late against Gomez etc. to actually make that guy take a knee now once but twice is a good case for destroying them, maybe not the body but the spirit.

Cotto took a beating for however many rounds some people would say 2 rounds other would say from round 6 on that kinda beating stays with a boxer, Cotto's tough but he met his superior in heart, guts, stamina, and determination. It was very clear in between some of the rounds that cotto looked maybe not scarred but he had the look of WTF did i just run into. i support cotto all the way but he got owned ive said it before and ill say it again. If there a rematch i would not be surprised to see some mental effects from the first fight. He knows MArgo has his number.

Once again people throw around words like owned way too loosely.

so what would you call it then? a fight with mosley gives margo exactly what he needs more recognition to go after big fights. but my original point what would you call what margo did to cotto? just winning?

A close fight where Margarito's will won out. This wasn't one sided route by any means, Cotto was right in it until the 11th round, and should have been quite ahead on the scorecards. Owned, Dominated, destroyed. That is the difference between Chavez-Meldrick Taylor I, and Chavez-Meldrick Taylor II, one of those was the destruction of a fighter, the other was a fight where the superior boxer was clearly outboxing the brawler, but in the end accumulation caught up with them. Of course Meldrick Taylor outboxed Chavez for a lot more rounds, but both him and Cotto were comprehensively outboxing their respective opponents.

[Rantcatrat]

Cotto is a fighter who had never tasted defeat, bullys his opponents, outclasses them, outboxes them and pretty much rearranges them (MAglinaggi) he had been getting really cocky in the ring as of late against Gomez etc. to actually make that guy take a knee now once but twice is a good case for destroying them, maybe not the body but the spirit.

Cotto took a beating for however many rounds some people would say 2 rounds other would say from round 6 on that kinda beating stays with a boxer, Cotto's tough but he met his superior in heart, guts, stamina, and determination. It was very clear in between some of the rounds that cotto looked maybe not scarred but he had the look of WTF did i just run into. i support cotto all the way but he got owned ive said it before and ill say it again. If there a rematch i would not be surprised to see some mental effects from the first fight. He knows MArgo has his number.

Strong Post.

To get back to the point of the post: did HBO treat PBF and Dawson the same way they have treated Margarito?

1. I can't recall: did Kellerman ask PBF about fighting Margarito after he beat Oscar or after he beat Hatton? I know at the time Margarito was calling PBF out.
2. Did Kellerman ask BCD after he beat Tarver about giving Glen Johnson a rematch because BCD nearly lost to Johnson? If anyone is deserving of a rematch, it is Glen Johnson of course.

[luvfightgame]

Cotto is a fighter who had never tasted defeat, bullys his opponents, outclasses them, outboxes them and pretty much rearranges them (MAglinaggi) he had been getting really cocky in the ring as of late against Gomez etc. to actually make that guy take a knee now once but twice is a good case for destroying them, maybe not the body but the spirit.

Cotto took a beating for however many rounds some people would say 2 rounds other would say from round 6 on that kinda beating stays with a boxer, Cotto's tough but he met his superior in heart, guts, stamina, and determination. It was very clear in between some of the rounds that cotto looked maybe not scarred but he had the look of WTF did i just run into. i support cotto all the way but he got owned ive said it before and ill say it again. If there a rematch i would not be surprised to see some mental effects from the first fight. He knows MArgo has his number.

Strong Post.

To get back to the point of the post: did HBO treat PBF and Dawson the same way they have treated Margarito?

1. I can't recall: did Kellerman ask PBF about fighting Margarito after he beat Oscar or after he beat Hatton? I know at the time Margarito was calling PBF out.
2. Did Kellerman ask BCD after he beat Tarver about giving Glen Johnson a rematch because BCD nearly lost to Johnson? If anyone is deserving of a rematch, it is Glen Johnson of course.

1. Larry Merchant interviewed PBF. I don't recall other than PBF putting his arm around Larry and avoiding any questions. He kind of took over the interview.

2. I don't remember that question. I agree about Glen Johnson. Same as I feel Tarver should have. They went 1-1 then Tarver won't do it again.

[JonnyFolds]

The answer to HBO hating on Margo is a combination of simple facts:

Margo Speeky no english
Margo has 5 loses on his record that nobody (general public) witnessed, and most were not championship fights.
Margo is a shitty boxer.

I love watching the guy fight. He's one of my favorite fighters, always will be. But he is hard to market.

[Taeth]

The answer to HBO hating on Margo is a combination of simple facts:

Margo Speeky no english
Margo has 5 loses on his record that nobody (general public) witnessed, and most were not championship fights.
Margo is a shitty boxer.

I love watching the guy fight. He's one of my favorite fighters, always will be. But he is hard to market.

Two of his five loses were for championship fights, that is 40% of his loses, and both were televised and known by people who have watched Margarito to any extent.

[Taeth]

Cotto is a fighter who had never tasted defeat, bullys his opponents, outclasses them, outboxes them and pretty much rearranges them (MAglinaggi) he had been getting really cocky in the ring as of late against Gomez etc. to actually make that guy take a knee now once but twice is a good case for destroying them, maybe not the body but the spirit.

Cotto took a beating for however many rounds some people would say 2 rounds other would say from round 6 on that kinda beating stays with a boxer, Cotto's tough but he met his superior in heart, guts, stamina, and determination. It was very clear in between some of the rounds that cotto looked maybe not scarred but he had the look of WTF did i just run into. i support cotto all the way but he got owned ive said it before and ill say it again. If there a rematch i would not be surprised to see some mental effects from the first fight. He knows MArgo has his number.

Strong Post.

To get back to the point of the post: did HBO treat PBF and Dawson the same way they have treated Margarito?

1. I can't recall: did Kellerman ask PBF about fighting Margarito after he beat Oscar or after he beat Hatton? I know at the time Margarito was calling PBF out.
2. Did Kellerman ask BCD after he beat Tarver about giving Glen Johnson a rematch because BCD nearly lost to Johnson? If anyone is deserving of a rematch, it is Glen Johnson of course.

Chad Dawson vs Tarver wasn't on HBO it was a showcase or whatever the one with Al is. So no he wasn't asked that by Kellerman because he wans't there.

Also it was Larry Merchant that talked to Mayweather, Kellerman was way up high with Lennox Lewis, and he was the only one that actually saw the fight for how it was.

Also Malignaggi to the post above wasn't destroyed by Cotto, it was a close fight, and Paulie fought very well for most of the later rounds.

[Rantcatrat]

Cotto is a fighter who had never tasted defeat, bullys his opponents, outclasses them, outboxes them and pretty much rearranges them (MAglinaggi) he had been getting really cocky in the ring as of late against Gomez etc. to actually make that guy take a knee now once but twice is a good case for destroying them, maybe not the body but the spirit.

Cotto took a beating for however many rounds some people would say 2 rounds other would say from round 6 on that kinda beating stays with a boxer, Cotto's tough but he met his superior in heart, guts, stamina, and determination. It was very clear in between some of the rounds that cotto looked maybe not scarred but he had the look of WTF did i just run into. i support cotto all the way but he got owned ive said it before and ill say it again. If there a rematch i would not be surprised to see some mental effects from the first fight. He knows MArgo has his number.

Strong Post.

To get back to the point of the post: did HBO treat PBF and Dawson the same way they have treated Margarito?

1. I can't recall: did Kellerman ask PBF about fighting Margarito after he beat Oscar or after he beat Hatton? I know at the time Margarito was calling PBF out.
2. Did Kellerman ask BCD after he beat Tarver about giving Glen Johnson a rematch because BCD nearly lost to Johnson? If anyone is deserving of a rematch, it is Glen Johnson of course.

Chad Dawson vs Tarver wasn't on HBO it was a showcase or whatever the one with Al is. So no he wasn't asked that by Kellerman because he wans't there.

Also it was Larry Merchant that talked to Mayweather, Kellerman was way up high with Lennox Lewis, and he was the only one that actually saw the fight for how it was.

Also Malignaggi to the post above wasn't destroyed by Cotto, it was a close fight, and Paulie fought very well for most of the later rounds.

You are right, I forgot that it was on Showcase. You can't really compare the treatment.

[Onix]

Cotto is a fighter who had never tasted defeat, bullys his opponents, outclasses them, outboxes them and pretty much rearranges them (MAglinaggi) he had been getting really cocky in the ring as of late against Gomez etc. to actually make that guy take a knee now once but twice is a good case for destroying them, maybe not the body but the spirit.

Cotto took a beating for however many rounds some people would say 2 rounds other would say from round 6 on that kinda beating stays with a boxer, Cotto's tough but he met his superior in heart, guts, stamina, and determination. It was very clear in between some of the rounds that cotto looked maybe not scarred but he had the look of WTF did i just run into. i support cotto all the way but he got owned ive said it before and ill say it again. If there a rematch i would not be surprised to see some mental effects from the first fight. He knows MArgo has his number.

Strong Post.

To get back to the point of the post: did HBO treat PBF and Dawson the same way they have treated Margarito?

1. I can't recall: did Kellerman ask PBF about fighting Margarito after he beat Oscar or after he beat Hatton? I know at the time Margarito was calling PBF out.
2. Did Kellerman ask BCD after he beat Tarver about giving Glen Johnson a rematch because BCD nearly lost to Johnson? If anyone is deserving of a rematch, it is Glen Johnson of course.

Chad Dawson vs Tarver wasn't on HBO it was a showcase or whatever the one with Al is. So no he wasn't asked that by Kellerman because he wans't there.

Also it was Larry Merchant that talked to Mayweather, Kellerman was way up high with Lennox Lewis, and he was the only one that actually saw the fight for how it was.

Also Malignaggi to the post above wasn't destroyed by Cotto, it was a close fight, and Paulie fought very well for most of the later rounds.

Never said Cotto dominated Maglinaggi, I said he rearranges them, meaning he rearranged his face...if you dont think that what Cotto did to Maglinaggi was destruction than you must be get into tough man contests or have some kind of Massochist streaks because that was a beating, then again you think Cotto was into the fight with Margo till the 11th. He was responding and kept going until the 11th but he was getting punished from the 8 or 9th on.

[Taeth]

Strong Post.

To get back to the point of the post: did HBO treat PBF and Dawson the same way they have treated Margarito?

1. I can't recall: did Kellerman ask PBF about fighting Margarito after he beat Oscar or after he beat Hatton? I know at the time Margarito was calling PBF out.
2. Did Kellerman ask BCD after he beat Tarver about giving Glen Johnson a rematch because BCD nearly lost to Johnson? If anyone is deserving of a rematch, it is Glen Johnson of course.

Chad Dawson vs Tarver wasn't on HBO it was a showcase or whatever the one with Al is. So no he wasn't asked that by Kellerman because he wans't there.

Also it was Larry Merchant that talked to Mayweather, Kellerman was way up high with Lennox Lewis, and he was the only one that actually saw the fight for how it was.

Also Malignaggi to the post above wasn't destroyed by Cotto, it was a close fight, and Paulie fought very well for most of the later rounds.

Never said Cotto dominated Maglinaggi, I said he rearranges them, meaning he rearranged his face...if you dont think that what Cotto did to Maglinaggi was destruction than you must be get into tough man contests or have some kind of Massochist streaks because that was a beating, then again you think Cotto was into the fight with Margo till the 11th. He was responding and kept going until the 11th but he was getting punished from the 8 or 9th on.

WTF are you talking about? Rearranged face doesn't mean the fight isn't close, a fight is judged by who wins what rounds, and rewatch teh cotto-Paulie fight because even though Paulie's jaw looks dislocated he is the one landing combinations, he is outjabbing COtto down the stretch, cotto looked really good early on, then as the fatigue likely from weigh loss kicked in, he was getting tied up a lot by Paulie, and he wasn't effective. IT was a close fight. Cotto won by 3 or 4 rounds, but likely two of those rounds he won were pretty competitive. That means out of 12 rounds about 8 or 9 of them were relatively competitive, that is a close fight.

Also Margarito won rounds 7,8,10,11 but watch those rounds again.

The 9th round went to Cotto, the 10th round was really close until at the very end Margarito was able to punish Cotto who was on the ropes, and dropped his hands to catch a right hand, but besides that it was a toss up round where both of them landed big punches.

[Taeth]

You shouldn't do immediate rematches if you win a fight or if you get knocked out, but that wasn't the case, also Margarito has had 4 fights since then, Paul Williams is the guy who deserves the fight with him.

Mayweather was likely planning to fight Margarito if he won significant fights, but then he lost to P. Williams, and it seemed like the media in general was stressing Mayweather out so he quit the sport, but there are a lot of hypocrites who give Mayweather a hard time because he didn't go out and face Margarito who nobody knew. But people know to some degree who Paul Williams, Margarito would have made 2 times the amount of money he will against Shane, and lets face it outside boxing fans people know Mosley as name they heard somewhere, but more people will give Margarito way more credibility for avenging his lose to Paul Williams if he were able to. I think Arum is likely making excuses which he has done in the past because he knows Paul Williams is likely to win a rematch. On the note of rematches he gave Cintron a rematch. The one guy with recognizable name that he has beaten recently, and posed no threat at all. He knew what cintron was made of after the first fight ,adn that he could deal with it.