I don't think OScar has delt with Speed like Pacquiao's before.

[Majesty]

I don't think this will necessarily change the outcome of the fight, but I was watching Kessler-Mundine, and thinking to myself Mundine is significantly faster than Calzaghe, and he punches more solidly, why can Kessler deal with it, but the answer is much easier to block one punch than a combination. Now the two fastest guys Oscar fought were Mayweather and Mosley, but they at least at welterweight aren't known as combination punchers, and as sneaky as Mayweather is, you are only reacting to one punch when he throws something, and its usually at the same speed(a huge problem Berto also has even when he throws combinations). With Pacquiao he will throw a semi-lazy jab multiple times then whip a left cross as fast as anyone throws anything. Not only that but when Pacquiao is at his best he is usually throwing the right hook or the right jab behind it. I think his speed along with his combination punching(straight punches, not looping like Mosley which made him easier to outbox in ODLH-Mosley 2) will give Oscar some troubles. Not to mention I think that he won't hurt Oscar, but he will get his respect with a left cross which Oscar based on his hand position, and lack of upper body movement should be open to. I think you need incredible awareness like JMM to stop Pacquiao from throwing that cross, and thats by moving in right before Pacquiao wants to throw it(he likes a lot of space to throw the cross which is why he throws so many jabs to set it up), and either punching Pacquiao or moving back out before he can adapt.

Yes, Oscar hasn't meet anyone with a combination like PAcquaio's.

Shane Mosley?

[kingfrnk]

I don't think this will necessarily change the outcome of the fight, but I was watching Kessler-Mundine, and thinking to myself Mundine is significantly faster than Calzaghe, and he punches more solidly, why can Kessler deal with it, but the answer is much easier to block one punch than a combination. Now the two fastest guys Oscar fought were Mayweather and Mosley, but they at least at welterweight aren't known as combination punchers, and as sneaky as Mayweather is, you are only reacting to one punch when he throws something, and its usually at the same speed(a huge problem Berto also has even when he throws combinations). With Pacquiao he will throw a semi-lazy jab multiple times then whip a left cross as fast as anyone throws anything. Not only that but when Pacquiao is at his best he is usually throwing the right hook or the right jab behind it. I think his speed along with his combination punching(straight punches, not looping like Mosley which made him easier to outbox in ODLH-Mosley 2) will give Oscar some troubles. Not to mention I think that he won't hurt Oscar, but he will get his respect with a left cross which Oscar based on his hand position, and lack of upper body movement should be open to. I think you need incredible awareness like JMM to stop Pacquiao from throwing that cross, and thats by moving in right before Pacquiao wants to throw it(he likes a lot of space to throw the cross which is why he throws so many jabs to set it up), and either punching Pacquiao or moving back out before he can adapt.

Yes, Oscar hasn't meet anyone with a combination like PAcquaio's.

Shane Mosley?

damn u beat me to it. but Pacman (i think) throws alot more punches.

[KKisser]

i thought this has something to do with de la hoya's deltoids. lol

[Taeth]

I don't think this will necessarily change the outcome of the fight, but I was watching Kessler-Mundine, and thinking to myself Mundine is significantly faster than Calzaghe, and he punches more solidly, why can Kessler deal with it, but the answer is much easier to block one punch than a combination. Now the two fastest guys Oscar fought were Mayweather and Mosley, but they at least at welterweight aren't known as combination punchers, and as sneaky as Mayweather is, you are only reacting to one punch when he throws something, and its usually at the same speed(a huge problem Berto also has even when he throws combinations). With Pacquiao he will throw a semi-lazy jab multiple times then whip a left cross as fast as anyone throws anything. Not only that but when Pacquiao is at his best he is usually throwing the right hook or the right jab behind it. I think his speed along with his combination punching(straight punches, not looping like Mosley which made him easier to outbox in ODLH-Mosley 2) will give Oscar some troubles. Not to mention I think that he won't hurt Oscar, but he will get his respect with a left cross which Oscar based on his hand position, and lack of upper body movement should be open to. I think you need incredible awareness like JMM to stop Pacquiao from throwing that cross, and thats by moving in right before Pacquiao wants to throw it(he likes a lot of space to throw the cross which is why he throws so many jabs to set it up), and either punching Pacquiao or moving back out before he can adapt.

Yes, Oscar hasn't meet anyone with a combination like PAcquaio's.

Shane Mosley?

Shane Mosley was a combination puncher at lightweight, but he never fought big name opponents at lightweight, I've never seen him be an effective combination puncher against quality opponents. Pacquiao has consistently thrown combinations against the best opposition, and he has a way higher volume like somebody stated, its different, Once again Mundine throws combinations, but CAlzaghe has a much higher work rate.

[brucelee]

I don't think this will necessarily change the outcome of the fight, but I was watching Kessler-Mundine, and thinking to myself Mundine is significantly faster than Calzaghe, and he punches more solidly, why can Kessler deal with it, but the answer is much easier to block one punch than a combination. Now the two fastest guys Oscar fought were Mayweather and Mosley, but they at least at welterweight aren't known as combination punchers, and as sneaky as Mayweather is, you are only reacting to one punch when he throws something, and its usually at the same speed(a huge problem Berto also has even when he throws combinations). With Pacquiao he will throw a semi-lazy jab multiple times then whip a left cross as fast as anyone throws anything. Not only that but when Pacquiao is at his best he is usually throwing the right hook or the right jab behind it. I think his speed along with his combination punching(straight punches, not looping like Mosley which made him easier to outbox in ODLH-Mosley 2) will give Oscar some troubles. Not to mention I think that he won't hurt Oscar, but he will get his respect with a left cross which Oscar based on his hand position, and lack of upper body movement should be open to. I think you need incredible awareness like JMM to stop Pacquiao from throwing that cross, and thats by moving in right before Pacquiao wants to throw it(he likes a lot of space to throw the cross which is why he throws so many jabs to set it up), and either punching Pacquiao or moving back out before he can adapt.

Yes, Oscar hasn't meet anyone with a combination like PAcquaio's.

Shane Mosley?

Yeah, and Oscar lost to Shane. That's the reason why I started a thread asking if Manny can do a Shane Mosley on Oscar.

[ICB]

Pernell Whitaker
Hector Camacho
Shane Mosley
Floyd Mayweather

It doesn't matter if they fight differently to Manny Pacquiao, the fact is he has dealt with fighters just as fast as Manny Pacquiao.

[ono]

[Boom Boom]

we dont really know just how fast Pac is right now tbh, I do think he will still be very fast and make Oscar uncomfortable. The one thing i have noticed about oscar lately is he doesnt move his head. He blocks punches with his arms. This is a good thing for Pac because he likes to throw from angles and throw punches that can get aroud the glove of his opponent like he did Marquez. Oscar can eliminate this though as long as he uses his jab and times Manny coming in with his right hand.

As long as Oscar fights his fight, the bigger mans fight, he will win.

[mrbig1]

This will not be a good fight. Manny is great but not at 147. I'm not going to shell out 50 bucks to watch a boring fight. Hand speed is good but he needs to have some pop in his punch. Oscar in a easy win.

[Spicoli]

I seem to remember Ike Quartey having some pretty nice hands when he exploded in combination.Who's to say what Pac's speed will be like...at 147 ??I think he may be to muscled up,maybe stiff.

[Spicoli]

I seem to remember Ike Quartey having some pretty nice hands when he exploded in combination.Who's to say what Pac's speed will be like...at 147 ??I think he may be to muscled up,maybe stiff.

Turns out from what I'm hearing his speed was just fine and combinations intact.Not stiff at all.Manny Congratulations on an outstanding victory and maximizing a very big opportunity,you are without a doubt one of the very best.Job well done.

Oscar,please retire.Have watched you live from day one of career and although I have referred to you in the past as The Colgate kid,the Diva,King Midas,and DelaHypa,you are to be congratulated on a superb and very productive career.Your business sense and ability to keep yourself in the spotlight on the main stage throughout the many years is unparalleled and to be .......respected.Ahem,Please do not turn Ring Magazine into a watered down version of GQ or Oprah and I wish you the very best in your promotional career.Thanks for the memories.....and don't let the door hit you on the backside.

[Taeth]

Pernell Whitaker
Hector Camacho
Shane Mosley
Floyd Mayweather

It doesn't matter if they fight differently to Manny Pacquiao, the fact is he has dealt with fighters just as fast as Manny Pacquiao.

Neither Pernell Whitaker or Camacho are in Pacquiao class in either handspeed or especially footspeed...

He didn't deal with Mayweather's speed well at all, considering Mayweather was potshotting, and same with Mosley in the first fight, Oscar tried to to come forward and was countered a lot because he used to get sloppy defensively when he came forward.

Once again though they didn't throw in punches.

As for Manny punch, I don't think he needs to be able to take Oscar out to make Oscar respect his punch, I mean Mosley couldn't take Oscar out, but Oscar was definitely held in check by his power, Mayweather couldn't hurt Oscar, but when he threw punches Oscar definitely felt it. I am not sure if Manny will hit as hard as Mayweather, but if he's in that league Oscar will be feeling his punches, because Oscar admitted that Mayweather stunned him a few times, and especially with a left hook to the body in the 11th near the begining.

[Taeth]

The reason I don't feel Camacho has Pacquiao's handspeed is because his cross didn't fly out like Manny's when I watch a guy like Whitaker I can follow the punch relatively easily, but with the faster guys like Pacquiao, Mayweather, Mosley, especially Berto is much harder and sometimes impossible.

[rjj tszyu]

Pernell Whitaker
Hector Camacho
Shane Mosley
Floyd Mayweather

It doesn't matter if they fight differently to Manny Pacquiao, the fact is he has dealt with fighters just as fast as Manny Pacquiao.

I don't personally think that camacho was as fast as pac. But the other 3 were and IMO better with the exception of sweet pea who was coming towards the end!

[Taeth]

But once again I don't think Mayweather punches faster moving backwards like he was against Oscar, that takes speed of your punches, and neither him nor Mosley threw a whole lot of combinations.

In all honesty I use to think Mayweather was way faster than Pacquiao now I don't think so. I think Pacquiao doesn't always throw fast punches which might make him look slower in certain circumstances, but overall his handspeed is right up there with them, only Berto IMO seems significantly faster, and not just than Pacquiao, but faster than Mayweather and Mosley as well.

ALl that being said I give Pacquiao quite a slim chance, maybe 20% of winning the fight, and less than 50% chance of finishing it.