I don't think OScar has delt with Speed like Pacquiao's before.

[Taeth]

I don't think this will necessarily change the outcome of the fight, but I was watching Kessler-Mundine, and thinking to myself Mundine is significantly faster than Calzaghe, and he punches more solidly, why can Kessler deal with it, but the answer is much easier to block one punch than a combination. Now the two fastest guys Oscar fought were Mayweather and Mosley, but they at least at welterweight aren't known as combination punchers, and as sneaky as Mayweather is, you are only reacting to one punch when he throws something, and its usually at the same speed(a huge problem Berto also has even when he throws combinations). With Pacquiao he will throw a semi-lazy jab multiple times then whip a left cross as fast as anyone throws anything. Not only that but when Pacquiao is at his best he is usually throwing the right hook or the right jab behind it. I think his speed along with his combination punching(straight punches, not looping like Mosley which made him easier to outbox in ODLH-Mosley 2) will give Oscar some troubles. Not to mention I think that he won't hurt Oscar, but he will get his respect with a left cross which Oscar based on his hand position, and lack of upper body movement should be open to. I think you need incredible awareness like JMM to stop Pacquiao from throwing that cross, and thats by moving in right before Pacquiao wants to throw it(he likes a lot of space to throw the cross which is why he throws so many jabs to set it up), and either punching Pacquiao or moving back out before he can adapt.

[:::PSL:::]

He fought PBF didn't he?

[brucelee]

I don't think this will necessarily change the outcome of the fight, but I was watching Kessler-Mundine, and thinking to myself Mundine is significantly faster than Calzaghe, and he punches more solidly, why can Kessler deal with it, but the answer is much easier to block one punch than a combination. Now the two fastest guys Oscar fought were Mayweather and Mosley, but they at least at welterweight aren't known as combination punchers, and as sneaky as Mayweather is, you are only reacting to one punch when he throws something, and its usually at the same speed(a huge problem Berto also has even when he throws combinations). With Pacquiao he will throw a semi-lazy jab multiple times then whip a left cross as fast as anyone throws anything. Not only that but when Pacquiao is at his best he is usually throwing the right hook or the right jab behind it. I think his speed along with his combination punching(straight punches, not looping like Mosley which made him easier to outbox in ODLH-Mosley 2) will give Oscar some troubles. Not to mention I think that he won't hurt Oscar, but he will get his respect with a left cross which Oscar based on his hand position, and lack of upper body movement should be open to. I think you need incredible awareness like JMM to stop Pacquiao from throwing that cross, and thats by moving in right before Pacquiao wants to throw it(he likes a lot of space to throw the cross which is why he throws so many jabs to set it up), and either punching Pacquiao or moving back out before he can adapt.

Yes, Oscar hasn't meet anyone with a combination like PAcquaio's.

[the_PRODIGY]

Pacquiao's handspeed,it won't matter much coz Oscar will walk through them.Yes he got busted up by Forbes but never expect that kind of Oscar to show up..I think what Roach means when he said 'speeds will make us win' he means footspeed.If pac can get past the jab and goes inside then throws body punches then step out for 12 rounds he has a chance.If its a KO,its Oscar.If it goes the distance,it still could be Oscar or Pac.

[Taeth]

He fought PBF didn't he?

Its a different kind of speed, PBF is countering you, he generally throws at one speed, Pacquiao throws at different speeds and he throws combinations of straight punches which is rare, and he has great timing coming forward, and I definitely think Pacquiao's footspeed will play a huge role if he can use it properly, but he obviously isn't a defensive fighter, and Oscar is pretty quick himself, but I think Oscar will be wide open for Pacquiao's shots.

The one thing I do notice is that Oscar doesn't counter too often anymore, when PBF was throwing punches Oscar was too focused on blocking them, same with against Forbes. If Pacquiao can't get a high work rate going (albeit very hard against the size, skill, and speed of Oscar) I really wonder if Oscar will be able to respond.

One thing I worry about Pacquiao is that Roach is set on Oscar showing up with no right cross, but Oscar used one effectively against Pernell Whitaker, and landed it as much as anything against him. Oscar has a much better right hand than he used, and if the Pacquiao corner is banking on Oscar being a one handed fighter then they are fighting a lost cause.

[KKisser]

good analysis taeth. i think oscar will be befuddled by pac's speed and combination in the opening rounds but will adjust somewhere in the 3rd to midrounds, and if pac somehow survives de la hoya's onslaught he will slowly start to pick oscar apart going into the homestretch.

[Majesty]

I don't think this will necessarily change the outcome of the fight, but I was watching Kessler-Mundine, and thinking to myself Mundine is significantly faster than Calzaghe, and he punches more solidly, why can Kessler deal with it, but the answer is much easier to block one punch than a combination. Now the two fastest guys Oscar fought were Mayweather and Mosley, but they at least at welterweight aren't known as combination punchers, and as sneaky as Mayweather is, you are only reacting to one punch when he throws something, and its usually at the same speed(a huge problem Berto also has even when he throws combinations). With Pacquiao he will throw a semi-lazy jab multiple times then whip a left cross as fast as anyone throws anything. Not only that but when Pacquiao is at his best he is usually throwing the right hook or the right jab behind it. I think his speed along with his combination punching(straight punches, not looping like Mosley which made him easier to outbox in ODLH-Mosley 2) will give Oscar some troubles. Not to mention I think that he won't hurt Oscar, but he will get his respect with a left cross which Oscar based on his hand position, and lack of upper body movement should be open to. I think you need incredible awareness like JMM to stop Pacquiao from throwing that cross, and thats by moving in right before Pacquiao wants to throw it(he likes a lot of space to throw the cross which is why he throws so many jabs to set it up), and either punching Pacquiao or moving back out before he can adapt.

Yes, Oscar hasn't meet anyone with a combination like PAcquaio's.

Shane Mosley?

[kingfrnk]

I don't think this will necessarily change the outcome of the fight, but I was watching Kessler-Mundine, and thinking to myself Mundine is significantly faster than Calzaghe, and he punches more solidly, why can Kessler deal with it, but the answer is much easier to block one punch than a combination. Now the two fastest guys Oscar fought were Mayweather and Mosley, but they at least at welterweight aren't known as combination punchers, and as sneaky as Mayweather is, you are only reacting to one punch when he throws something, and its usually at the same speed(a huge problem Berto also has even when he throws combinations). With Pacquiao he will throw a semi-lazy jab multiple times then whip a left cross as fast as anyone throws anything. Not only that but when Pacquiao is at his best he is usually throwing the right hook or the right jab behind it. I think his speed along with his combination punching(straight punches, not looping like Mosley which made him easier to outbox in ODLH-Mosley 2) will give Oscar some troubles. Not to mention I think that he won't hurt Oscar, but he will get his respect with a left cross which Oscar based on his hand position, and lack of upper body movement should be open to. I think you need incredible awareness like JMM to stop Pacquiao from throwing that cross, and thats by moving in right before Pacquiao wants to throw it(he likes a lot of space to throw the cross which is why he throws so many jabs to set it up), and either punching Pacquiao or moving back out before he can adapt.

Yes, Oscar hasn't meet anyone with a combination like PAcquaio's.

Shane Mosley?

damn u beat me to it. but Pacman (i think) throws alot more punches.

[KKisser]

i thought this has something to do with de la hoya's deltoids. lol

[Taeth]

I don't think this will necessarily change the outcome of the fight, but I was watching Kessler-Mundine, and thinking to myself Mundine is significantly faster than Calzaghe, and he punches more solidly, why can Kessler deal with it, but the answer is much easier to block one punch than a combination. Now the two fastest guys Oscar fought were Mayweather and Mosley, but they at least at welterweight aren't known as combination punchers, and as sneaky as Mayweather is, you are only reacting to one punch when he throws something, and its usually at the same speed(a huge problem Berto also has even when he throws combinations). With Pacquiao he will throw a semi-lazy jab multiple times then whip a left cross as fast as anyone throws anything. Not only that but when Pacquiao is at his best he is usually throwing the right hook or the right jab behind it. I think his speed along with his combination punching(straight punches, not looping like Mosley which made him easier to outbox in ODLH-Mosley 2) will give Oscar some troubles. Not to mention I think that he won't hurt Oscar, but he will get his respect with a left cross which Oscar based on his hand position, and lack of upper body movement should be open to. I think you need incredible awareness like JMM to stop Pacquiao from throwing that cross, and thats by moving in right before Pacquiao wants to throw it(he likes a lot of space to throw the cross which is why he throws so many jabs to set it up), and either punching Pacquiao or moving back out before he can adapt.

Yes, Oscar hasn't meet anyone with a combination like PAcquaio's.

Shane Mosley?

Shane Mosley was a combination puncher at lightweight, but he never fought big name opponents at lightweight, I've never seen him be an effective combination puncher against quality opponents. Pacquiao has consistently thrown combinations against the best opposition, and he has a way higher volume like somebody stated, its different, Once again Mundine throws combinations, but CAlzaghe has a much higher work rate.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

He fought PBF didn't he?

Its a different kind of speed, PBF is countering you, he generally throws at one speed, Pacquiao throws at different speeds and he throws combinations of straight punches which is rare, and he has great timing coming forward, and I definitely think Pacquiao's footspeed will play a huge role if he can use it properly, but he obviously isn't a defensive fighter, and Oscar is pretty quick himself, but I think Oscar will be wide open for Pacquiao's shots.

The one thing I do notice is that Oscar doesn't counter too often anymore, when PBF was throwing punches Oscar was too focused on blocking them, same with against Forbes. If Pacquiao can't get a high work rate going (albeit very hard against the size, skill, and speed of Oscar) I really wonder if Oscar will be able to respond.

One thing I worry about Pacquiao is that Roach is set on Oscar showing up with no right cross, but Oscar used one effectively against Pernell Whitaker, and landed it as much as anything against him. Oscar has a much better right hand than he used, and if the Pacquiao corner is banking on Oscar being a one handed fighter then they are fighting a lost cause.

Good observations Teath but to speak basically, i think Oscar was continuing the the blocking theme against Forbes in anticipation of a Mayweather rematch.

It was definately the right idea against Mayweather. Forbes was a glorified Sparring Match.
For Pacquiao, im sure, Oscar will have a new plan.

[brucelee]

I don't think this will necessarily change the outcome of the fight, but I was watching Kessler-Mundine, and thinking to myself Mundine is significantly faster than Calzaghe, and he punches more solidly, why can Kessler deal with it, but the answer is much easier to block one punch than a combination. Now the two fastest guys Oscar fought were Mayweather and Mosley, but they at least at welterweight aren't known as combination punchers, and as sneaky as Mayweather is, you are only reacting to one punch when he throws something, and its usually at the same speed(a huge problem Berto also has even when he throws combinations). With Pacquiao he will throw a semi-lazy jab multiple times then whip a left cross as fast as anyone throws anything. Not only that but when Pacquiao is at his best he is usually throwing the right hook or the right jab behind it. I think his speed along with his combination punching(straight punches, not looping like Mosley which made him easier to outbox in ODLH-Mosley 2) will give Oscar some troubles. Not to mention I think that he won't hurt Oscar, but he will get his respect with a left cross which Oscar based on his hand position, and lack of upper body movement should be open to. I think you need incredible awareness like JMM to stop Pacquiao from throwing that cross, and thats by moving in right before Pacquiao wants to throw it(he likes a lot of space to throw the cross which is why he throws so many jabs to set it up), and either punching Pacquiao or moving back out before he can adapt.

Yes, Oscar hasn't meet anyone with a combination like PAcquaio's.

Shane Mosley?

Yeah, and Oscar lost to Shane. That's the reason why I started a thread asking if Manny can do a Shane Mosley on Oscar.

[ICB]

Pernell Whitaker
Hector Camacho
Shane Mosley
Floyd Mayweather

It doesn't matter if they fight differently to Manny Pacquiao, the fact is he has dealt with fighters just as fast as Manny Pacquiao.

[ono]

[Boom Boom]

we dont really know just how fast Pac is right now tbh, I do think he will still be very fast and make Oscar uncomfortable. The one thing i have noticed about oscar lately is he doesnt move his head. He blocks punches with his arms. This is a good thing for Pac because he likes to throw from angles and throw punches that can get aroud the glove of his opponent like he did Marquez. Oscar can eliminate this though as long as he uses his jab and times Manny coming in with his right hand.

As long as Oscar fights his fight, the bigger mans fight, he will win.