Froch - What Next for the Cobra...?

[smashup]

Ice....i just think Froch has a Naz like style that fighters hate to face and agree that Calzaghe would ruin him but Calzaghe would ruin anyone as he's on another level fitness,speed,recovery,skill and the ability to adjust to any style mid fight when needed BUT Taylor has either bored me silly (B-Hop snoozefests) or been exposed as a chinny charlatain.
The Pavlik fight proved this and Pavlik is predictable and fights in straight lines whereas Froch throws from all angles and would find taylor a sitting Duck and the word Duck springs to mind when mentioning some of the SM's in the division that were lined up to face Froch
Froch def has flaws and needs to fire off the jab way more but to be fair he was nursing a cracked rib and clearly wasn't firing on all cylinders.
Bare that in mind and i think he looked v impressive.
I honestly think the two men who would test him the most are Calzaghe and Kessler.
All the rest i see Froch beating and the good news is that we WILL see him against some of these fighters next year!!
can't wait and there are some cracking bouts to be made for 2009 at SM!

[Memphis]

I'd like to think that Froch will perform better next time out, dont get me wrong was a great tearup but as a performance it was far from what he and McCracken would have wanted. He got a bit excited in there and was blowing out of his arse after a few rounds, he settled down and boxed nicely at times but Pascal was always there and ready to crack him on the chin.

He wont get to fight Calzaghe so lets forget that, he'd get a lesson anyway everyone else mentioned would make for good fights.

[JazMerkin]

To be honest I wasn't that impressed with Froch on Saturday. It was a great fight, but I had him just shading it at 115-113 against a guy who didn't look the finished article, whereas I'm not sure just how much he can improve. I think he would beat Mundine & I think he could pull it off against Taylor, if he follows what Pavlik did & punches him relentlessly.

However, all this talk of him against Calzaghe is stupid. Joe is only interested in big name fights, which is why he's not even sure about fighting Dawson, & I think Dawson & maybe Hopkins agen are the only fights there for him. I think he would beat Froch very comfortably.

Back to Froch, between him & Bute it just depends where it's fought, of course assuming it went the distance. UK = Froch win, Canada = Bute. I don't think Froch can beat Kessler simply because Kessler does things that little bit better. The one fighter I think he would struggle with the most is Andrade because I think that once he saw a guy walking through his punches, his gameplan would falter a bit as it did on saturday, & I'd fancy Andrade to knock him out.

[ICB]

Ice....i just think Froch has a Naz like style that fighters hate to face and agree that Calzaghe would ruin him but Calzaghe would ruin anyone as he's on another level fitness,speed,recovery,skill and the ability to adjust to any style mid fight when needed BUT Taylor has either bored me silly (B-Hop snoozefests) or been exposed as a chinny charlatain.
The Pavlik fight proved this and Pavlik is predictable and fights in straight lines whereas Froch throws from all angles and would find taylor a sitting Duck and the word Duck springs to mind when mentioning some of the SM's in the division that were lined up to face Froch
Froch def has flaws and needs to fire off the jab way more but to be fair he was nursing a cracked rib and clearly wasn't firing on all cylinders.
Bare that in mind and i think he looked v impressive.
I honestly think the two men who would test him the most are Calzaghe and Kessler.
All the rest i see Froch beating and the good news is that we WILL see him against some of these fighters next year!!
can't wait and there are some cracking bouts to be made for 2009 at SM!

Can't really argue with that solid post except i think your being a bit unfair to Jermain Taylor. I still think he would be a very hard test for Carl Froch. Jermain Taylor is highly skilled, has a solid jab. And is pretty fast.

He does have bad stamina problems which i think are caused, by nervous energy. I wouldn't really call him chinny, Kelly Pavlik no matter if he was exposed by Bernard Hopkins.

Doesn't change the fact he can still bang, and it was an accumulation of punishment that finished off Jermain Taylor.

I'll tell you who i am also a fan of in the Super Middleweight division. And thats Lucian Bute i think he is very highly skilled, and he just made a mistake trying to exchange with Librado Andrade in the last round.

But don't let that fool you, he was the first man to stop Kabary Salem. Who knocked down Joe Calzaghe heavily. He also handled Sakio Bika quite comfortably.

I think he would be a even tougher test for Carl Froch than Jermain Taylor would, i also would like to see how Carl Froch would handle an aggressive tough fighter like Sakio Bika or Librado Andrade.

But whoever he picks he really has a ton of names too choose from. All i know is that all his fights now must be of the highest quality, because he hasn't got time to waste his career fighting shit fighters, at 31.

Lastly i don't mind the low hand style some of my favorite fighters, used that style. But i think Carl Froch should hold his hands up a little higher, because he isn't quick enough to use that style against top quality opposition IMO.

[gudnite vienna]

another thing Froch really wants to unify the division, i think he will chase only the big fighs as he knows he's left things late.

[Clanger]

I wasn't sure but recently have really began to click with Froch.

Forget the defence, he has that warrior-like will to win.

The eye of the tiger ! lol

[leftylee]

Jermain Taylor-If he agrees to it.

[HattonTheHammer]

Froch beats taylor everyday of the week for me

too smart a fighter to get drawn into jermains style of fight and his ability to pick a punch and win rounds in small spells would be more than enough to see him take a unanimous points decision.

Kesslers the fight id like to see and what with US tvs reluctance with mikkel its a distinct possibility kessler-froch come 2009 could well happen!!

[Rantcatrat]

Froch beats taylor everyday of the week for me

too smart a fighter to get drawn into jermains style of fight and his ability to pick a punch and win rounds in small spells would be more than enough to see him take a unanimous points decision.

Kesslers the fight id like to see and what with US tvs reluctance with mikkel its a distinct possibility kessler-froch come 2009 could well happen!!

What is Jermain's style of fight?

I'm not convinced of either fighter at super middlweight. Jermain would beat Froch to the punch nine times out of ten. Jermain has a good jab. I see Jermain beating Froch for the first 5 rounds and then Froch stepping it up. The fight would be close and it would depend on Jermain's stamina.

[HattonTheHammer]

Froch beats taylor everyday of the week for me

too smart a fighter to get drawn into jermains style of fight and his ability to pick a punch and win rounds in small spells would be more than enough to see him take a unanimous points decision.

Kesslers the fight id like to see and what with US tvs reluctance with mikkel its a distinct possibility kessler-froch come 2009 could well happen!!

What is Jermain's style of fight?

I'm not convinced of either fighter at super middlweight. Jermain would beat Froch to the punch nine times out of ten. Jermain has a good jab. I see Jermain beating Froch for the first 5 rounds and then Froch stepping it up. The fight would be close and it would depend on Jermain's stamina.

carls predominently a slow starter that takes time to work his opponent out.

But as soon as he realised taylors method of fighting straight lines Froch would box taylors head off and maybe even force a late stoppage.

That win saturday was one of the most impressive performances from a british fighter this year and froch is worthy of the kudos he`ll rightfully receive for it.

[littlerock]

Froch beats taylor everyday of the week for me

too smart a fighter to get drawn into jermains style of fight and his ability to pick a punch and win rounds in small spells would be more than enough to see him take a unanimous points decision.

Funny, switch their names and I'd agree with you 100%.

Taylor's got an amazing ability to steal rounds with flurries alone (see the 2nd Pavlik fight which was very close despite Taylor being outworked almost 2:1), not to mention his jab would score all night against Froch's exposed chin as well as work to set up his overhand right. He showed a pretty left hook off his jab in the Lacy fight too which I'm sure Froch would see plenty of.

I'd give Froch a chance to beat Taylor based on his power alone, but he's going to have to be both smart and lucky to do it, otherwise Taylor takes at least an 8-4 decision.

But Froch beating Taylor every day of the week? You cannot honestly believe it. You may want it, but you can't be buying it.

[HattonTheHammer]

Froch beats taylor everyday of the week for me

too smart a fighter to get drawn into jermains style of fight and his ability to pick a punch and win rounds in small spells would be more than enough to see him take a unanimous points decision.

Funny, switch their names and I'd agree with you 100%.

Taylor's got an amazing ability to steal rounds with flurries alone (see the 2nd Pavlik fight which was very close despite Taylor being outworked almost 2:1), not to mention his jab would score all night against Froch's exposed chin as well as work to set up his overhand right. He showed a pretty left hook off his jab in the Lacy fight too which I'm sure Froch would see plenty of.

I'd give Froch a chance to beat Taylor based on his power alone, but he's going to have to be both smart and lucky to do it, otherwise Taylor takes at least an 8-4 decision.

But Froch beating Taylor every day of the week? You cannot honestly believe it. You may want it, but you can't be buying it.

Taylor completely outworked Bhop in that 1st fight and yet only took a close decision because he failed to impress the judges later on in the rounds.

You dont see that with froch, he doesnt have to throw it all out their during a contest because he`s able to pick his moments consistently well and force mistakes out of his opponents rather than go looking for them as taylor does.

ok so everyday of the week may of been a bit harsh on my part. I just think if the fight was ever going to happen unless it was under a cortez type ref who would wanna break up frochs work pattern whenever possible carl would do enough to ensure he doesnt get himself caught on the ropes or forced into an all out slugout which taylor would win 9/10

[Pugilistic]

He loses to Taylor, Bute and Kessler.

I think Taylor will be his next opponent.

[HattonTheHammer]

He loses to Taylor, Bute and Kessler.

I think Taylor will be his next opponent.

you dont think much of our english boy do you

[RozzySean]

Taylor beat Hopkins and drew with Wright. He's stopped Raul Marquez and dominated Lacy (who blew out Robin Reid, Froch's second best win).

Bute has wins over Bika, Berrio, and Andrade.

Kessler is Kessler. He gave Calzaghe all he could handle, dominated Andrade, and beat Mundine like a rented mule on his home turf.

Froch has beaten a shot Robin Reid and a decent journeyman, Pascal. And Pascal gave him all he could handle. For all the hype Froch fans have given him, I expected him to destroy Pascal. From what I've seen of Pascal, he's nothing special at all and I expected a blowout.

If some people don't think much of him, it's just the he hasn't given us a reason to think much of him. Oh, and he's 31 years old, not some 26 yo prospect. That's not hate. Those are just he facts. I'm not saying he doesn't belong in the ring with those guys, but I can't see a single reason to make him a favorite.