Froch - What Next for the Cobra...?

[RozzySean]

Calling Pascal a "journyman" is a liberty. He may not be anything special but he's got talent.

Bute was virtually KO'd last time out. If Andrade can KO him Froch has to be given that chance too.

Taylor seems to be in decline since Hopkins. Froch, being naturally bigger, and i'd bet hungrier, would have a good chance of knocking the fight out of him.

The betting would be close if Froch faced either of those two. Wins either way wouldn't be surprising.

I'd rather see Froch vs Bika/Andrade.. thats got serious PUNCH-UP written all over it

I call Pascal a journeyman based on the quality of his wins. Plenty of guys build unbeaten records fighting nobodies. Based on his quality of opposition AND having seen him a few times, I don't rate him highly. To me, journeyman doesn't mean he's a bum. He's just not top class. For example, Kessler beat Dimitri Sartison, who was unbeaten at the time. Do you rate him much higher than journeyman? Nobody gave Kessler much credit for beating him (an unbeaten fighter) but Froch is supposed to get tons of credit for beating Pascal? Calvin Brock was 29-0 when Wlad KO'd him. Was he much better than a journeyman at the end of the day, or how about Timor Ibragamov at 21-0-1 when he lost to Brock. That was pretty much a classic battle of journeymen. Also plenty of guys build up good KO record when they are fighting nobodies, then once they get up with the big boys, their power doesn't seem so great. Pascal ate a lot of flush shots and kept coming. That could mean that he has a great chin, but it also means that Froch's power might be overrated and padded by his lack of strong opposition. Perhaps calling Pascal a journeyman is a bit of a liberty, but it's also not much of a stretch.

We'll see what happens now that he has a belt. Taylor looked pretty good against Lacy. Froch looks very open to the pressure style of Andrade. Bute has better skills.

[Fenster]

Calling Pascal a "journyman" is a liberty. He may not be anything special but he's got talent.

Bute was virtually KO'd last time out. If Andrade can KO him Froch has to be given that chance too.

Taylor seems to be in decline since Hopkins. Froch, being naturally bigger, and i'd bet hungrier, would have a good chance of knocking the fight out of him.

The betting would be close if Froch faced either of those two. Wins either way wouldn't be surprising.

I'd rather see Froch vs Bika/Andrade.. thats got serious PUNCH-UP written all over it

I call Pascal a journeyman based on the quality of his wins. Plenty of guys build unbeaten records fighting nobodies. Based on his quality of opposition AND having seen him a few times, I don't rate him highly. To me, journeyman doesn't mean he's a bum. He's just not top class. For example, Kessler beat Dimitri Sartison, who was unbeaten at the time. Do you rate him much higher than journeyman? Nobody gave Kessler much credit for beating him (an unbeaten fighter) but Froch is supposed to get tons of credit for beating Pascal? Calvin Brock was 29-0 when Wlad KO'd him. Was he much better than a journeyman at the end of the day, or how about Timor Ibragamov at 21-0-1 when he lost to Brock. That was pretty much a classic battle of journeymen. Also plenty of guys build up good KO record when they are fighting nobodies, then once they get up with the big boys, their power doesn't seem so great. Pascal ate a lot of flush shots and kept coming. That could mean that he has a great chin, but it also means that Froch's power might be overrated and padded by his lack of strong opposition. Perhaps calling Pascal a journeyman is a bit of a liberty, but it's also not much of a stretch.

We'll see what happens now that he has a belt. Taylor looked pretty good against Lacy. Froch looks very open to the pressure style of Andrade. Bute has better skills.

Are you taking the piss?

You're classing unbeaten prospects as journeymen?

A journeyman is a fighter that has failed at top level - to make it to the top - and spends his career racking up losses against unbeaten prospect types.

Amost EVERY fighter on the way up builds their record on nobodies/journeymen. Their standing in boxing is determined by what happens when they get to the top.

[littlerock]

Calling Pascal a "journyman" is a liberty. He may not be anything special but he's got talent.

Bute was virtually KO'd last time out. If Andrade can KO him Froch has to be given that chance too.

Taylor seems to be in decline since Hopkins. Froch, being naturally bigger, and i'd bet hungrier, would have a good chance of knocking the fight out of him.

The betting would be close if Froch faced either of those two. Wins either way wouldn't be surprising.

I don't think the betting would be all that close in either of those fights.

Notice you are giving Froch a "chance" to win against Bute and Taylor. That is hardly giving him odds or making him the obvious favorite. That is what most people are questioning Froch's fans for here; why in the world they would favor him over the top fighters in the division. Yes he has a chance to win, but the odds would be against it.

And I wouldn't get too confident about Froch's size advantage over Taylor. Taylor was a big middleweight at 6'0 or 6'1", making him bigger than Pascal as well. Froch is listed at 6'0" but I think he might be closer to 6'1". Taylor unofficially weighed in at 174 lbs on the day of the fight against Lacy.

[Fenster]

Calling Pascal a "journyman" is a liberty. He may not be anything special but he's got talent.

Bute was virtually KO'd last time out. If Andrade can KO him Froch has to be given that chance too.

Taylor seems to be in decline since Hopkins. Froch, being naturally bigger, and i'd bet hungrier, would have a good chance of knocking the fight out of him.

The betting would be close if Froch faced either of those two. Wins either way wouldn't be surprising.

I don't think the betting would be all that close in either of those fights.

Notice you are giving Froch a "chance" to win against Bute and Taylor. That is hardly giving him odds or making him the obvious favorite. That is what most people are questioning Froch's fans for here; why in the world they would favor him over the top fighters in the division. Yes he has a chance to win, but the odds would be against it.

And I wouldn't get too confident about Froch's size advantage over Taylor. Taylor was a big middleweight at 6'0 or 6'1", making him bigger than Pascal as well. Froch is listed at 6'0" but I think he might be closer to 6'1". Taylor unofficially weighed in at 174 lbs on the day of the fight against Lacy.

CLOSE in the betting means there would be NO obvious favourite.

[HattonTheHammer]

Taylor beat Hopkins and drew with Wright. He's stopped Raul Marquez and dominated Lacy (who blew out Robin Reid, Froch's second best win).

Bute has wins over Bika, Berrio, and Andrade.

Kessler is Kessler. He gave Calzaghe all he could handle, dominated Andrade, and beat Mundine like a rented mule on his home turf.

Froch has beaten a shot Robin Reid and a decent journeyman, Pascal. And Pascal gave him all he could handle. For all the hype Froch fans have given him, I expected him to destroy Pascal. From what I've seen of Pascal, he's nothing special at all and I expected a blowout.

If some people don't think much of him, it's just the he hasn't given us a reason to think much of him. Oh, and he's 31 years old, not some 26 yo prospect. That's not hate. Those are just he facts. I'm not saying he doesn't belong in the ring with those guys, but I can't see a single reason to make him a favorite.

How the hell can an unbeaten fighter be described as a journeyman??

And while im not arguing kesslers talent its hardly fair on mundine to insinuate that particular fight was one sided when mundine won 4rounds at the very least!

Froch is a protected fighter that has never fought outside of britain, doesnt have any real credible names to his record...yadda yadda yadda

The very same things were said about a certain Mr Calzaghe and thats not the only resembelance between the 2 fighters.

Froch will go all the way....mark my words!!

[Rantcatrat]

Taylor beat Hopkins and drew with Wright. He's stopped Raul Marquez and dominated Lacy (who blew out Robin Reid, Froch's second best win).

Bute has wins over Bika, Berrio, and Andrade.

Kessler is Kessler. He gave Calzaghe all he could handle, dominated Andrade, and beat Mundine like a rented mule on his home turf.

Froch has beaten a shot Robin Reid and a decent journeyman, Pascal. And Pascal gave him all he could handle. For all the hype Froch fans have given him, I expected him to destroy Pascal. From what I've seen of Pascal, he's nothing special at all and I expected a blowout.

If some people don't think much of him, it's just the he hasn't given us a reason to think much of him. Oh, and he's 31 years old, not some 26 yo prospect. That's not hate. Those are just he facts. I'm not saying he doesn't belong in the ring with those guys, but I can't see a single reason to make him a favorite.

How the hell can an unbeaten fighter be described as a journeyman??

And while im not arguing kesslers talent its hardly fair on mundine to insinuate that particular fight was one sided when mundine won 4rounds at the very least!

Froch is a protected fighter that has never fought outside of britain, doesnt have any real credible names to his record...yadda yadda yadda

The very same things were said about a certain Mr Calzaghe and thats not the only resembelance between the 2 fighters.

Froch will go all the way....mark my words!!

I'm holding you to the comparison with Joe Calzaghe. Froch is no Joe.

I'm curious - besides being British, in what other ways are they comparable?

Pascal is no journeyman. He is a top twenty/thirty smw in a pretty deep division. But, he is Froch's biggest victory.

Taylor has a more proven record...at middleweight. Still, some of that experience has to translate to 168. Froch is untested - he hasn't been in the ring with Winkie, Bhop, or Pavlik. In addition, as expected, Taylor dominated Lacy in his last fight. Thus, I don't see the "steady decline." He lost to Pavlik twice. But, that's it. So what, he lost to the middleweight champion of the world. At this moment, my money is on Taylor if they fight.

I'd like to see Froch fight Bika. My gut tells me Bika would light him up, but Froch fought a good fight this last weekend and I may be way off the mark.

Froch may outbox Andrade. Outbox him in a different way than Bute, but outbox him much the same, and unlike Bute, Froch's chin would hold up.

As long as Bute isn't negatively affected by the knockout in his last fight, Bute would box circles around Froch.

Kessler would dominate Froch.

[Rantcatrat]

Taylor beat Hopkins and drew with Wright. He's stopped Raul Marquez and dominated Lacy (who blew out Robin Reid, Froch's second best win).

Bute has wins over Bika, Berrio, and Andrade.

Kessler is Kessler. He gave Calzaghe all he could handle, dominated Andrade, and beat Mundine like a rented mule on his home turf.

Froch has beaten a shot Robin Reid and a decent journeyman, Pascal. And Pascal gave him all he could handle. For all the hype Froch fans have given him, I expected him to destroy Pascal. From what I've seen of Pascal, he's nothing special at all and I expected a blowout.

If some people don't think much of him, it's just the he hasn't given us a reason to think much of him. Oh, and he's 31 years old, not some 26 yo prospect. That's not hate. Those are just he facts. I'm not saying he doesn't belong in the ring with those guys, but I can't see a single reason to make him a favorite.

How the hell can an unbeaten fighter be described as a journeyman??

And while im not arguing kesslers talent its hardly fair on mundine to insinuate that particular fight was one sided when mundine won 4rounds at the very least!

Froch is a protected fighter that has never fought outside of britain, doesnt have any real credible names to his record...yadda yadda yadda

The very same things were said about a certain Mr Calzaghe and thats not the only resembelance between the 2 fighters.

Froch will go all the way....mark my words!!

Why the allegiance to Mundine? The guy is a c*nt.

[LukeH]

How the hell can an unbeaten fighter be described as a journeyman??

And while im not arguing kesslers talent its hardly fair on mundine to insinuate that particular fight was one sided when mundine won 4rounds at the very least!

Froch is a protected fighter that has never fought outside of britain, doesnt have any real credible names to his record...yadda yadda yadda

The very same things were said about a certain Mr Calzaghe and thats not the only resembelance between the 2 fighters.

Froch will go all the way....mark my words!!

hes fought in america once