Froch - What Next for the Cobra...?

[RozzySean]

Calling Pascal a "journyman" is a liberty. He may not be anything special but he's got talent.

Bute was virtually KO'd last time out. If Andrade can KO him Froch has to be given that chance too.

Taylor seems to be in decline since Hopkins. Froch, being naturally bigger, and i'd bet hungrier, would have a good chance of knocking the fight out of him.

The betting would be close if Froch faced either of those two. Wins either way wouldn't be surprising.

I'd rather see Froch vs Bika/Andrade.. thats got serious PUNCH-UP written all over it

I call Pascal a journeyman based on the quality of his wins. Plenty of guys build unbeaten records fighting nobodies. Based on his quality of opposition AND having seen him a few times, I don't rate him highly. To me, journeyman doesn't mean he's a bum. He's just not top class. For example, Kessler beat Dimitri Sartison, who was unbeaten at the time. Do you rate him much higher than journeyman? Nobody gave Kessler much credit for beating him (an unbeaten fighter) but Froch is supposed to get tons of credit for beating Pascal? Calvin Brock was 29-0 when Wlad KO'd him. Was he much better than a journeyman at the end of the day, or how about Timor Ibragamov at 21-0-1 when he lost to Brock. That was pretty much a classic battle of journeymen. Also plenty of guys build up good KO record when they are fighting nobodies, then once they get up with the big boys, their power doesn't seem so great. Pascal ate a lot of flush shots and kept coming. That could mean that he has a great chin, but it also means that Froch's power might be overrated and padded by his lack of strong opposition. Perhaps calling Pascal a journeyman is a bit of a liberty, but it's also not much of a stretch.

We'll see what happens now that he has a belt. Taylor looked pretty good against Lacy. Froch looks very open to the pressure style of Andrade. Bute has better skills.

[Fenster]

Calling Pascal a "journyman" is a liberty. He may not be anything special but he's got talent.

Bute was virtually KO'd last time out. If Andrade can KO him Froch has to be given that chance too.

Taylor seems to be in decline since Hopkins. Froch, being naturally bigger, and i'd bet hungrier, would have a good chance of knocking the fight out of him.

The betting would be close if Froch faced either of those two. Wins either way wouldn't be surprising.

I'd rather see Froch vs Bika/Andrade.. thats got serious PUNCH-UP written all over it

I call Pascal a journeyman based on the quality of his wins. Plenty of guys build unbeaten records fighting nobodies. Based on his quality of opposition AND having seen him a few times, I don't rate him highly. To me, journeyman doesn't mean he's a bum. He's just not top class. For example, Kessler beat Dimitri Sartison, who was unbeaten at the time. Do you rate him much higher than journeyman? Nobody gave Kessler much credit for beating him (an unbeaten fighter) but Froch is supposed to get tons of credit for beating Pascal? Calvin Brock was 29-0 when Wlad KO'd him. Was he much better than a journeyman at the end of the day, or how about Timor Ibragamov at 21-0-1 when he lost to Brock. That was pretty much a classic battle of journeymen. Also plenty of guys build up good KO record when they are fighting nobodies, then once they get up with the big boys, their power doesn't seem so great. Pascal ate a lot of flush shots and kept coming. That could mean that he has a great chin, but it also means that Froch's power might be overrated and padded by his lack of strong opposition. Perhaps calling Pascal a journeyman is a bit of a liberty, but it's also not much of a stretch.

We'll see what happens now that he has a belt. Taylor looked pretty good against Lacy. Froch looks very open to the pressure style of Andrade. Bute has better skills.

Are you taking the piss?

You're classing unbeaten prospects as journeymen?

A journeyman is a fighter that has failed at top level - to make it to the top - and spends his career racking up losses against unbeaten prospect types.

Amost EVERY fighter on the way up builds their record on nobodies/journeymen. Their standing in boxing is determined by what happens when they get to the top.

[RozzySean]

When I can tell by watching them that that's what they are, I do. Let's look back in five years and see what Jean Pascal's record looks like. It will be filled with losses to guys like Froch, Andre Dirrell, Andre Ward, etc if he sticks around the game that long.

Thus, when I see Froch matched against Pascal, though they both undefeated, I know that Pascal is nothing better than a journeyman-type, opponent-type fighter, and Froch, in spite of his pitiful opposition to date, has actual talent. The jury is still out on how high Froch will go, but time is running out on him.

You are pretty good judge of talent, Fenster. I give you credit for being able to tell the difference between a real prospect and a paper prospect by using your eyes. I know there are plenty of guys you have seen who are undefeated and young, but they are nothing more than average. Perhaps he's not a "journeyman" yet, but that's this future. If you rate Pascal any better, it's just because you love Froch and want this win to mean more than it does.

[Fenster]

When I can tell by watching them that that's what they are, I do. Let's look back in five years and see what Jean Pascal's record looks like. It will be filled with losses to guys like Froch, Andre Dirrell, Andre Ward, etc if he sticks around the game that long.

Thus, when I see Froch matched against Pascal, though they both undefeated, I know that Pascal is nothing better than a journeyman-type, opponent-type fighter, and Froch, in spite of his pitiful opposition to date, has actual talent. The jury is still out on how high Froch will go, but time is running out on him.

You are pretty good judge of talent, Fenster. I give you credit for being able to tell the difference between a real prospect and a paper prospect by using your eyes. I know there are plenty of guys you have seen who are undefeated and young, but they are nothing more than average. Perhaps he's not a "journeyman" yet, but that's this future. If you rate Pascal any better, it's just because you love Froch and want this win to mean more than it does.

Me love Froch

On this site, ive been a critic of his from DAY ONE. Ive always predicted he would FAIL at the very top. And still do. Ive already stated Kessler will "slaughter" him and he'd start underdog against Bute, Taylor (slight) and be 50/50 with Bika and Andrade.

I give credit where it's due though. And have no problem admitting when i'm wrong.

Pascal was a decorated amatuer, unbeaten and ranked no.3 by the WBC. Considering Froch had never fought anyone above Brit/Euro level, Pascal was a leap in class for him - which he passed.

You're clearly a far harsher, more confident judge of unbeaten prospects than me. I'm more inclined to give someone the benefit of doubt.. ESPECIALLY before they've lost

[RozzySean]

When I can tell by watching them that that's what they are, I do. Let's look back in five years and see what Jean Pascal's record looks like. It will be filled with losses to guys like Froch, Andre Dirrell, Andre Ward, etc if he sticks around the game that long.

Thus, when I see Froch matched against Pascal, though they both undefeated, I know that Pascal is nothing better than a journeyman-type, opponent-type fighter, and Froch, in spite of his pitiful opposition to date, has actual talent. The jury is still out on how high Froch will go, but time is running out on him.

You are pretty good judge of talent, Fenster. I give you credit for being able to tell the difference between a real prospect and a paper prospect by using your eyes. I know there are plenty of guys you have seen who are undefeated and young, but they are nothing more than average. Perhaps he's not a "journeyman" yet, but that's this future. If you rate Pascal any better, it's just because you love Froch and want this win to mean more than it does.

Me love Froch

On this site, ive been a critic of his from DAY ONE. Ive always predicted he would FAIL at the very top. And still do. Ive already stated Kessler will "slaughter" him and he'd start underdog against Bute, Taylor (slight) and be 50/50 with Bika and Andrade.

I give credit where it's due though. And have no problem admitting when i'm wrong.

Pascal was a decorated amatuer, unbeaten and ranked no.3 by the WBC. Considering Froch had never fought anyone above Brit/Euro level, Pascal was a leap in class for him - which he passed.

You're clearly a far harsher, more confident judge of unbeaten prospects than me. I'm more inclined to give someone the benefit of doubt.. ESPECIALLY before they've lost

We agree more than we disagree. I had no idea about Pascal amatuer pedigree. I'm going based on seeing him fight a few times and somewhat by looking at his record. When they were building him up to fight Miranda and he was calling out Miranda, I was thinking, you gotta be kidding me. Miranda will murder this guy.

Perhaps I'm being a little hard on Pascal. He was a necessary step up for him, but it was a test I full expected him to pass. I'm not sure if Froch is worse than I thought or Pascal is a little better.

I am a pretty harsh judge of prospects, actually, but I think I have a good eye, in spite of a rash of bad picks lately on the sportsbook. It takes a lot to get me on the bandwagon. Don't forget, Fenster, I was neck and neck with Bomp and probably you for first one time in the prediction contest before forgetting to put in picks for the final week due to a busy week at work

[Bomp]

When I can tell by watching them that that's what they are, I do. Let's look back in five years and see what Jean Pascal's record looks like. It will be filled with losses to guys like Froch, Andre Dirrell, Andre Ward, etc if he sticks around the game that long.

Thus, when I see Froch matched against Pascal, though they both undefeated, I know that Pascal is nothing better than a journeyman-type, opponent-type fighter, and Froch, in spite of his pitiful opposition to date, has actual talent. The jury is still out on how high Froch will go, but time is running out on him.

You are pretty good judge of talent, Fenster. I give you credit for being able to tell the difference between a real prospect and a paper prospect by using your eyes. I know there are plenty of guys you have seen who are undefeated and young, but they are nothing more than average. Perhaps he's not a "journeyman" yet, but that's this future. If you rate Pascal any better, it's just because you love Froch and want this win to mean more than it does.

Me love Froch

On this site, ive been a critic of his from DAY ONE. Ive always predicted he would FAIL at the very top. And still do. Ive already stated Kessler will "slaughter" him and he'd start underdog against Bute, Taylor (slight) and be 50/50 with Bika and Andrade.

I give credit where it's due though. And have no problem admitting when i'm wrong.

Pascal was a decorated amatuer, unbeaten and ranked no.3 by the WBC. Considering Froch had never fought anyone above Brit/Euro level, Pascal was a leap in class for him - which he passed.

You're clearly a far harsher, more confident judge of unbeaten prospects than me. I'm more inclined to give someone the benefit of doubt.. ESPECIALLY before they've lost

We agree more than we disagree. I had no idea about Pascal amatuer pedigree. I'm going based on seeing him fight a few times and somewhat by looking at his record. When they were building him up to fight Miranda and he was calling out Miranda, I was thinking, you gotta be kidding me. Miranda will murder this guy.

Perhaps I'm being a little hard on Pascal. He was a necessary step up for him, but it was a test I full expected him to pass. I'm not sure if Froch is worse than I thought or Pascal is a little better.

I am a pretty harsh judge of prospects, actually, but I think I have a good eye, in spite of a rash of bad picks lately on the sportsbook. It takes a lot to get me on the bandwagon. Don't forget, Fenster, I was neck and neck with Bomp and probably you for first one time in the prediction contest before forgetting to put in picks for the final week due to a busy week at work

I remember that comp, I think Fenster won it. I WAS GUTTED
after storming through the field to first with a month to go I fucking picked Austin to KO Klitschko

[Fenster]

Me love Froch

On this site, ive been a critic of his from DAY ONE. Ive always predicted he would FAIL at the very top. And still do. Ive already stated Kessler will "slaughter" him and he'd start underdog against Bute, Taylor (slight) and be 50/50 with Bika and Andrade.

I give credit where it's due though. And have no problem admitting when i'm wrong.

Pascal was a decorated amatuer, unbeaten and ranked no.3 by the WBC. Considering Froch had never fought anyone above Brit/Euro level, Pascal was a leap in class for him - which he passed.

You're clearly a far harsher, more confident judge of unbeaten prospects than me. I'm more inclined to give someone the benefit of doubt.. ESPECIALLY before they've lost

We agree more than we disagree. I had no idea about Pascal amatuer pedigree. I'm going based on seeing him fight a few times and somewhat by looking at his record. When they were building him up to fight Miranda and he was calling out Miranda, I was thinking, you gotta be kidding me. Miranda will murder this guy.

Perhaps I'm being a little hard on Pascal. He was a necessary step up for him, but it was a test I full expected him to pass. I'm not sure if Froch is worse than I thought or Pascal is a little better.

I am a pretty harsh judge of prospects, actually, but I think I have a good eye, in spite of a rash of bad picks lately on the sportsbook. It takes a lot to get me on the bandwagon. Don't forget, Fenster, I was neck and neck with Bomp and probably you for first one time in the prediction contest before forgetting to put in picks for the final week due to a busy week at work

I remember that comp, I think Fenster won it. I WAS GUTTED
after storming through the field to first with a month to go I fucking picked Austin to KO Klitschko

Ha! I don't remember either of you ever being a challenge to my superior prediction skills. Cretins.