Did the Mayweather fight finish Oscar?

[brucelee]

NO, his fight with Pac did.

[El Kabong]

Suddenly the "I won't fight anymore Puerto Ricans" quote all makes sense...also the avoidance of Margarito makes sense as well.

[Wayne]

Suddenly the "I won't fight anymore Puerto Ricans" quote all makes sense...also the avoidance of Margarito makes sense as well.

Add to that avoiding Vernon Forrest and Corey Spinks (as laughable as a fight against Spinks may seem).

[Trainer Monkey]

It was the shoulder injury first and foremost,that jab hasnt looked the same since then.
He just couldnt keep Pac Man off him with that half hearted jab,Pac had nothing to fear from it.
His legs are toast as well,he doesnt cut angles,and he's not fast enough to dance out.
Oscar was never the heaviest handed puncher in the world anyway,but he needed power to make Pac respect his punches. And then he comes in weight drained to boot.
The whole thing is a recipe for disaster,when your training an older fighter,you dont want,you need them to have the heavier hands,to make up for their lack of speed.
Didnt happen
Pac actually had the heavier hands.
Lets face it,even if it was only a ghost of Oscar in his prime,Pac whupped the hell out of him

[JazMerkin]

The thing is he just didn't look like he wanted to throw punches, not against Pac, or even against Forbes, who as much I like him for his chin, was basically in there as a glorified sparring partner that night. In the Mayweather fight, he actually threw more punches than PBF, even if he was significantly outlanded. To make it worse Mayweather had a bad night by his standards & still beat him. I just think this would weigh heavily on a guy like Oscar's mind, because like many boxers he believes he is the best, & yet was beaten by a guy not on top form. I know he obviously had physical problems going into the fight with Pac, but his reluctance to throw a punch was embarassing.

Again to make it clear, I'm not trying to question Pac's performance, which was amazing, but looking at why ODLH was so afraid to throw punches

[Julius Rain]

Actually Oscar did do well if he was fighting floyd again. Oscar threw about 400 while pac throw 580 in 8 rounds. He was outgunned by about 200 and pacs accuracy was insane 59% power punch landed. while oscar could barely land, his total landed punch was only around 20%. Even if you are that much bigger then pac thats not going to get it done. Did oscar think pac wouldn't be the same whirlwind his always been at 147? Did he think it would be like fighting floyd, one punch at a time or momentary flurries while close to the ropes? It wasn't just the speed of pac it was the pace. after the second round oscar realize his not prepared for pacs speed AND PACE. he wasn't gun shy he was outgunned. i think he threw as much as he did during the floyd fight in 8 rounds. Pac finish off oscar, the floyd fight barely put a dent on oscar. Some people even though oscar won that fight so how could it have finish him off

[JazMerkin]

Actually Oscar did do well if he was fighting floyd again. Oscar threw about 400 while pac throw 580 in 8 rounds. He was outgunned by about 200 and pacs accuracy was insane 59% power punch landed. while oscar could barely land, his total landed punch was only around 20%. Even if you are that much bigger then pac thats not going to get it done. Did oscar think pac wouldn't be the same whirlwind his always been at 147? Did he think it would be like fighting floyd, one punch at a time or momentary flurries while close to the ropes? It wasn't just the speed of pac it was the pace. after the second round oscar realize his not prepared for pacs speed AND PACE. he wasn't gun shy he was outgunned. i think he threw as much as he did during the floyd fight in 8 rounds. Pac finish off oscar, the floyd fight barely put a dent on oscar. Some people even though oscar won that fight so how could it have finish him off

For the last time I'm NOT saying the fight physically finished him, I'm saying it made him doubt himself in such a way for the 1st time MENTALLY. I am not talking about how good Pac was, I'm reflecting on Oscar's performance in both that fight & the Forbes one. If those punch stats are true & Oscar was throwing as many punches I stand corrected. IMO the Mayweather fight was the first to really make him doubt his own ability, & I'm aware some people believe he won it, but how he talked after the Forbes fight made me believe that he himself thought he'd lost. Again, I'm not Moono trying to downplay Pac, but Oscar just looked frightened the other night, & I think that defeat got to him more than any other, even if it was one the least physically damaging fights he had

[Mar]

I doubt that fight ruined him but it did make him start to see that he just doesn't have it...well at least not enough of it to beat any of the top guys anymore, and no one wants to see him fight lesser guys anymore.

[ClubberLang]

I don't think it finished him, but I think in retrospect you could see he was past it. I really think a prime Oscar would have beaten Floyd on that night. The prime Oscar would have pumped the jab and could throw fast combinations that we didn't see on that night. There were opportunities for him to win, but he could not pull the trigger. I think that is what Roach was talking about leading up to the fight with Manny. Oscar could not explain why he didn't throw the jab more after the fight, I think it was that his reflexes were nearly shot (at least to where he could compete with an elite fighter in his prime). Mayweather is a cautious defensive fighter by nature; had he had the stones to step up the pace and be more aggressive the way Manny did, Floyd might have been able to whip Oscar as bad as Manny did.

[ClubberLang]

Suddenly the "I won't fight anymore Puerto Ricans" quote all makes sense...also the avoidance of Margarito makes sense as well.

Add to that avoiding Vernon Forrest and Corey Spinks (as laughable as a fight against Spinks may seem).

Are you guys serious? Spinks was never even remotely a serious economic commodity, and Forrest lost his chance at a fight with Oscar by losing to Mayorga. The only guy who you could reasonably say Oscar should have fought was Winky, but Winky's style made him more of a fringe guy as far as the general public was concerned. Oscar fought pretty much everyone. Look at his record and find me another contemporary fighter who fought more quality opponents than Oscar did. You won't be able to find one.

[zhubin]

I really thought for Pac to have a chance in this fight...Oscar had to come in either weight drained or shot. The whole weight issue really confused me...no idea why he came in so light...but it clearly didn't help his chances. But it was also clear that he just didn't have it in him right from the onset. He threw his jab half heartedly even in the beginning of the fight. He was completely flat footed and lethargic. Does that discount what Pac accomplished...absolutely not. Pac had the perfect gameplan and physical ability to be a nightmare for THIS version of Oscar. Props to Roach (who i have been a critic of) for not only preparing Pac well...but for also stating before the fight that Oscar no longer had it.

[Chino]

Match ups make fights, I just think people can't handle that Pacquiao is actually as good as he is.

Yes, Pac is good and I have mentioned that in different ocassions. But also, when ODLH beat Julio Cesar Chavez, was ODLH good? Of course! But also, was J.C. Chavez in his prime? Nope, he was way passed his prime. But still, ODLH beating the legendary JC Chavez looked great regardless of Chavez being old and passed his prime. Same thing with Pac. I can see him beating many big names out there that are in their primes. That will impress me more than his fight with and old passed-his-prime wasted ODLH. Even Pac and his team knew that ODLH was old and worn out at this stage of his career.