Did the Mayweather fight finish Oscar?

[JazMerkin]

I remember feeling this when watching Oscar fighting Steve Forbes, and I think it is apparent now. That night against Floyd, Oscar gave it all he could against a guy who was having a bad night by his standards, and still lost and was out-boxed. Mentally I think this scarred him more than other defeat, where he could claim bad judging (Trinidad/Mosley) or problems with size (B-Hop), because he lost to a smaller guy at 'his' weight despite giving it his best. I feel this is what has made him gun-shy. Anyway I wanna see what everyone else feels about this?

* Just to specify I'm talkin bout what mentally finished him, not what physically deteriorated ODLH. Also Pac-fans, this is NOT a Pac bashing post, any guy who goes and beats a legend, even a faded one, 40lbs higher than where he began his career deserves all the credit he is currently getting in my book.

[Boom Boom]

I think fighting once a year for most of the better half of a decade, his age, weight jumping, ring wars he has been in, long amateur career, all finally caught up to him. It is the fate of almost any fighter. I think he has been on the slide but the slide got a lot steeper the other night.

[Taeth]

Match ups make fights, I just think people can't handle that Pacquiao is actually as good as he is.

[chamiley]

a lot of things caught up to oscar I think. oscar had lost his speed, reflexes, his inactivity over the years also hurt him, plus the shoulder injury limited him further and the weight in my opinion was the last straw, he just looked so weak. taking nothing away from pacquio's victory. to me manny is the fighter of this decade ahead of floyd imo.

[HattonTheHammer]

De la Hoya came to fight against floyd and although even in defeat got his tactics spot on and came so close to pulling it off.

But 2 years can do a lot to a man of 37 and i think oscar realised quite early on against pacquiao he just didnt have it in him to keep up with that kind of pace that he managed quite well against PBF.

Dont wanna take too much away from an awesome pacquiao but ODLH just came at him in straight lines and made himself an easy target throughout the fight which he clearly didnt do against floyd.


so to answer your question.........NO

[brucelee]

NO, his fight with Pac did.

[ultraelectromagneticpunch]

I remember feeling this when watching Oscar fighting Steve Forbes, and I think it is apparent now. That night against Floyd, Oscar gave it all he could against a guy who was having a bad night by his standards, and still lost and was out-boxed. Mentally I think this scarred him more than other defeat, where he could claim bad judging (Trinidad/Mosley) or problems with size (B-Hop), because he lost to a smaller guy at 'his' weight despite giving it his best. I feel this is what has made him gun-shy. Anyway I wanna see what everyone else feels about this?

* Just to specify I'm talkin bout what mentally finished him, not what physically deteriorated ODLH. Also Pac-fans, this is NOT a Pac bashing post, any guy who goes and beats a legend, even a faded one, 40lbs higher than where he began his career deserves all the credit he is currently getting in my book.

You may be right dude... But DURING and after Pac fight, we've all clearly seen DLH was mentally badly injured... Specially after rd.8 when his corner is asking whether they should wave off the fight, man, have you seen DLH face? He looked shocked and his body language showed that he just want to quit the fight... As you have said that whether PBF finished off DLH mentally? You may be right but after he loses to Pac? Absolutely nothing more left on mental strength... With all due of respect, IMO the great GoldenBoy should stop here and just pursue the promoting career...

[rjj tszyu]

Some of my posts will seem like I'm a Pac hater. This is not the case, I quite like him but He beat an old Legend who is nowhere near the man he was when he was the welterweight champ and IMO that Oscar would have taught him a true lesson!

[Julius Rain]

Some of my posts will seem like I'm a Pac hater. This is not the case, I quite like him but He beat an old Legend who is nowhere near the man he was when he was the welterweight champ and IMO that Oscar would have taught him a true lesson!

oscar would of had trouble with that much speed and that intense of a pace, no matter how old oscar was. Pac didn't just beat oscar, what counts more is that he look great at 147. Anybody would have trouble with pacs speed and pace.

[Chino]

Some of my posts will seem like I'm a Pac hater. This is not the case, I quite like him but He beat an old Legend who is nowhere near the man he was when he was the welterweight champ and IMO that Oscar would have taught him a true lesson!

oscar would of had trouble with that much speed and that intense of a pace, no matter how old oscar was. Pac didn't just beat oscar, what counts more is that he look great at 147. Anybody would have trouble with pacs speed and pace.

Do you know what it means to have a boxer passed his prime? Sure, Pac is good and all but he beat an old ODLH. What looks good here is that he beat, well, OSCAR DE LA HOYA and not "an old and passed his prime" ODLH. We have seen other legends do the same mistake of staying in the ring longer then they should only to have a young prospect beat them and look great regardless of that legend being old, worned out, passed his prime.
Pac seems to be going through the right path. We will see more exciting fights. There are lots of big names out there that are young and IN THEIR PRIME. Looking forward to those fights.

[Julius Rain]

Some of my posts will seem like I'm a Pac hater. This is not the case, I quite like him but He beat an old Legend who is nowhere near the man he was when he was the welterweight champ and IMO that Oscar would have taught him a true lesson!

oscar would of had trouble with that much speed and that intense of a pace, no matter how old oscar was. Pac didn't just beat oscar, what counts more is that he look great at 147. Anybody would have trouble with pacs speed and pace.

Do you know what it means to have a boxer passed his prime? Sure, Pac is good and all but he beat an old ODLH. What looks good here is that he beat, well, OSCAR DE LA HOYA and not "an old and passed his prime" ODLH. We have seen other legends do the same mistake of staying in the ring longer then they should only to have a young prospect beat them and look great regardless of that legend being old, worned out, passed his prime.
Pac seems to be going through the right path. We will see more exciting fights. There are lots of big names out there that are young and IN THEIR PRIME. Looking forward to those fights.

uhh whats your point? he did beat an old delahoya, do you get the fact that a former featherweight just beat a former middleweight and showed he had all his attributes with him in this division 147? The name delahoya is given already. What you need to get is a guy who started his career at 106 looked just as fast jsut as strong and isn't being slown down by addition weight at WELTERWEIGHT. Quit trying to stress oscar is past his prime and is old. Your predictable, pac didn't just beat dela hoya he look just as awesome at 147 and that is the most impressive part.

[leftylee]

I agree with Brucelee. Pac finished Oscar, not Mayweather.

[JonnyFolds]

oscar would of had trouble with that much speed and that intense of a pace, no matter how old oscar was. Pac didn't just beat oscar, what counts more is that he look great at 147. Anybody would have trouble with pacs speed and pace.

Do you know what it means to have a boxer passed his prime? Sure, Pac is good and all but he beat an old ODLH. What looks good here is that he beat, well, OSCAR DE LA HOYA and not "an old and passed his prime" ODLH. We have seen other legends do the same mistake of staying in the ring longer then they should only to have a young prospect beat them and look great regardless of that legend being old, worned out, passed his prime.
Pac seems to be going through the right path. We will see more exciting fights. There are lots of big names out there that are young and IN THEIR PRIME. Looking forward to those fights.

uhh whats your point? he did beat an old delahoya, do you get the fact that a former featherweight just beat a former middleweight and showed he had all his attributes with him in this division 147? The name delahoya is given already. What you need to get is a guy who started his career at 106 looked just as fast jsut as strong and isn't being slown down by addition weight at WELTERWEIGHT. Quit trying to stress oscar is past his prime and is old. Your predictable, pac didn't just beat dela hoya he look just as awesome at 147 and that is the most impressive part.

WORD!
Except Manny is probably more like a Super Flyweight (in a way that sounds heavier than Featherweight, b/c of the "super", you know?)