Did the Mayweather fight finish Oscar?

[JazMerkin]

The thing is he just didn't look like he wanted to throw punches, not against Pac, or even against Forbes, who as much I like him for his chin, was basically in there as a glorified sparring partner that night. In the Mayweather fight, he actually threw more punches than PBF, even if he was significantly outlanded. To make it worse Mayweather had a bad night by his standards & still beat him. I just think this would weigh heavily on a guy like Oscar's mind, because like many boxers he believes he is the best, & yet was beaten by a guy not on top form. I know he obviously had physical problems going into the fight with Pac, but his reluctance to throw a punch was embarassing.

Again to make it clear, I'm not trying to question Pac's performance, which was amazing, but looking at why ODLH was so afraid to throw punches

[Julius Rain]

Actually Oscar did do well if he was fighting floyd again. Oscar threw about 400 while pac throw 580 in 8 rounds. He was outgunned by about 200 and pacs accuracy was insane 59% power punch landed. while oscar could barely land, his total landed punch was only around 20%. Even if you are that much bigger then pac thats not going to get it done. Did oscar think pac wouldn't be the same whirlwind his always been at 147? Did he think it would be like fighting floyd, one punch at a time or momentary flurries while close to the ropes? It wasn't just the speed of pac it was the pace. after the second round oscar realize his not prepared for pacs speed AND PACE. he wasn't gun shy he was outgunned. i think he threw as much as he did during the floyd fight in 8 rounds. Pac finish off oscar, the floyd fight barely put a dent on oscar. Some people even though oscar won that fight so how could it have finish him off

[JazMerkin]

Actually Oscar did do well if he was fighting floyd again. Oscar threw about 400 while pac throw 580 in 8 rounds. He was outgunned by about 200 and pacs accuracy was insane 59% power punch landed. while oscar could barely land, his total landed punch was only around 20%. Even if you are that much bigger then pac thats not going to get it done. Did oscar think pac wouldn't be the same whirlwind his always been at 147? Did he think it would be like fighting floyd, one punch at a time or momentary flurries while close to the ropes? It wasn't just the speed of pac it was the pace. after the second round oscar realize his not prepared for pacs speed AND PACE. he wasn't gun shy he was outgunned. i think he threw as much as he did during the floyd fight in 8 rounds. Pac finish off oscar, the floyd fight barely put a dent on oscar. Some people even though oscar won that fight so how could it have finish him off

For the last time I'm NOT saying the fight physically finished him, I'm saying it made him doubt himself in such a way for the 1st time MENTALLY. I am not talking about how good Pac was, I'm reflecting on Oscar's performance in both that fight & the Forbes one. If those punch stats are true & Oscar was throwing as many punches I stand corrected. IMO the Mayweather fight was the first to really make him doubt his own ability, & I'm aware some people believe he won it, but how he talked after the Forbes fight made me believe that he himself thought he'd lost. Again, I'm not Moono trying to downplay Pac, but Oscar just looked frightened the other night, & I think that defeat got to him more than any other, even if it was one the least physically damaging fights he had

[Kirkland Laing]

Being a part-time fighter finished Oscar. He got progressively worse over his last few fights.

[Julius Rain]

Actually Oscar did do well if he was fighting floyd again. Oscar threw about 400 while pac throw 580 in 8 rounds. He was outgunned by about 200 and pacs accuracy was insane 59% power punch landed. while oscar could barely land, his total landed punch was only around 20%. Even if you are that much bigger then pac thats not going to get it done. Did oscar think pac wouldn't be the same whirlwind his always been at 147? Did he think it would be like fighting floyd, one punch at a time or momentary flurries while close to the ropes? It wasn't just the speed of pac it was the pace. after the second round oscar realize his not prepared for pacs speed AND PACE. he wasn't gun shy he was outgunned. i think he threw as much as he did during the floyd fight in 8 rounds. Pac finish off oscar, the floyd fight barely put a dent on oscar. Some people even though oscar won that fight so how could it have finish him off

For the last time I'm NOT saying the fight physically finished him, I'm saying it made him doubt himself in such a way for the 1st time MENTALLY. I am not talking about how good Pac was, I'm reflecting on Oscar's performance in both that fight & the Forbes one. If those punch stats are true & Oscar was throwing as many punches I stand corrected. IMO the Mayweather fight was the first to really make him doubt his own ability, & I'm aware some people believe he won it, but how he talked after the Forbes fight made me believe that he himself thought he'd lost. Again, I'm not Moono trying to downplay Pac, but Oscar just looked frightened the other night, & I think that defeat got to him more than any other, even if it was one the least physically damaging fights he had

I did notice you said in the title the floyd fight finish oscar then did state you meant mentally. I disagree, how could it have mentally finish him if he just lost a s.d. fight to the p4p king at the time? How could he doubt himself if some people thought he won that fight. I really dont think you have a valid point, what did make him doubt himself was the bhop lost. If you said that you would make more sense. That im sure made him think twice about fighting bigger guys and even the Sturm fight he should of lost. I think the floyd fight did nothing negative to him, REALLY man he just went 12 rounds and lost a close decision with the p4p king plus his in his mid 30!. I'd say he would of thought he aint doing bad for his age. heres a link where it shows the punch stats for pac vs oscar. honestly 400 thrown for oscar in 8 rounds is about average for him for the past few years. dont you think? 3:30 minutes into this vid:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3Bg7...eature=related

[Mar]

I doubt that fight ruined him but it did make him start to see that he just doesn't have it...well at least not enough of it to beat any of the top guys anymore, and no one wants to see him fight lesser guys anymore.

[ClubberLang]

I don't think it finished him, but I think in retrospect you could see he was past it. I really think a prime Oscar would have beaten Floyd on that night. The prime Oscar would have pumped the jab and could throw fast combinations that we didn't see on that night. There were opportunities for him to win, but he could not pull the trigger. I think that is what Roach was talking about leading up to the fight with Manny. Oscar could not explain why he didn't throw the jab more after the fight, I think it was that his reflexes were nearly shot (at least to where he could compete with an elite fighter in his prime). Mayweather is a cautious defensive fighter by nature; had he had the stones to step up the pace and be more aggressive the way Manny did, Floyd might have been able to whip Oscar as bad as Manny did.

[JonnyFolds]

I don't think it finished him, but I think in retrospect you could see he was past it. I really think a prime Oscar would have beaten Floyd on that night. The prime Oscar would have pumped the jab and could throw fast combinations that we didn't see on that night. There were opportunities for him to win, but he could not pull the trigger. I think that is what Roach was talking about leading up to the fight with Manny. Oscar could not explain why he didn't throw the jab more after the fight, I think it was that his reflexes were nearly shot (at least to where he could compete with an elite fighter in his prime). Mayweather is a cautious defensive fighter by nature; had he had the stones to step up the pace and be more aggressive the way Manny did, Floyd might have been able to whip Oscar as bad as Manny did.

Be fair. Floyd would never lay a whooping on Oscar that bad. Floyd is limited with his offense. Only reason Floyd could knock out Hatton, was because Hatton wouldn't try to save face and box/survive. He knew he had to knock him out to win, so he just kept pushing the pace and coming in.

Manny WILL beat Floyd if his broke a$$ comes out of retirement.

[Pugilistic]

I don't think the Mayweather fight finished him, he didn't take a beating or anything but imo he did lose clearly.

i feel that the long layoffs between fights weren't good for him and having to drain himself to make 147 was not good for him and it showed.

Oscar should retire.

[Mr140]

What finished Oscar was his age and the fact he fought 1 time a year i mean what fighter does that none do and it while make you rusty. Oscar was somthing when he was fighting 10 years ago but i tell you what his choices were good for money but also kinda not great for staying sharp.