George Bush nearly pelted with shoes

[Trainer Monkey]

If we hadn't done that they would still be under a fucking tyrant asshole. Do they prefer to be treated like dogs or get a chance at democracy?

Things under that tyrant are probably looking pretty rosy about now.

You can't force people to take up democracy (and if you think there is any real democracy in the West, you're dreaming). Especially in a place with no tradition of democracy. The Middle East has been a quagmire for nearly 100 years due to Western intervention.

Yeah, Saddam only killed 2,000,000 people, including gassing an entire town. It doesn't get much rosier than that unless you think of Lidice under the Nazis.

Actually most of that death count was us.
Between the sanctions,the fly overs,GW1,and us giving him all those nasty toys for the war with Iran.
We've got our paws all over that,not to mention encouraging the Kurds to revolt and leaving them high and dry.
At least Sadaam kept the lights on,and the plumbing working,which is more then we can seem to pull off.

[Wayne]

Anybody disturbed that yet again our president just STOOD there after the shoes were thrown? If somebody throws shoes at me and I'm in a hostile country I'm getting the fuck outta dodge.

[Youngblood]

I think he handled this one ok. It's not like he just got news his country was being attacked or anything...

Just a size 10 shoe or 2 which he did manage to dodge fairly well and even smiled at.

[Formerly D@vid Leeder]

Things under that tyrant are probably looking pretty rosy about now.

You can't force people to take up democracy (and if you think there is any real democracy in the West, you're dreaming). Especially in a place with no tradition of democracy. The Middle East has been a quagmire for nearly 100 years due to Western intervention.

Yeah, Saddam only killed 2,000,000 people, including gassing an entire town. It doesn't get much rosier than that unless you think of Lidice under the Nazis.

Actually most of that death count was us.
Between the sanctions,the fly overs,GW1,and us giving him all those nasty toys for the war with Iran.
We've got our paws all over that,not to mention encouraging the Kurds to revolt and leaving them high and dry.
At least Sadaam kept the lights on,and the plumbing working,which is more then we can seem to pull off.

Actually no, the death count is the responsibility of the person who made a choice to do the killing. You don't blame Smith and Wesson if I go out and shoot a gas station attendant with a .38 Special.

As for encouraging the Kurds, it appears I need a history lesson. Any trustworthy websites you might recommend on that topic?

[Trainer Monkey]

Yeah, Saddam only killed 2,000,000 people, including gassing an entire town. It doesn't get much rosier than that unless you think of Lidice under the Nazis.

Actually most of that death count was us.
Between the sanctions,the fly overs,GW1,and us giving him all those nasty toys for the war with Iran.
We've got our paws all over that,not to mention encouraging the Kurds to revolt and leaving them high and dry.
At least Sadaam kept the lights on,and the plumbing working,which is more then we can seem to pull off.

Actually no, the death count is the responsibility of the person who made a choice to do the killing. You don't blame Smith and Wesson if I go out and shoot a gas station attendant with a .38 Special.

As for encouraging the Kurds, it appears I need a history lesson. Any trustworthy websites you might recommend on that topic?

History of Iran: Arming Iraq: A Chronology of U.S. Involvement
LONG TIME ALLIES: USA and Turkey- almost fallout over Kurdish Iraq.
Its old news
And if I think a guy is a sociopath,and I hand him a howitzer,I should have some culbability

[AdamGB]

Of course Bush, ignorant dipstick that he is, cracked some joke about shoe size. Probably he had no concept of the nature of the insult, or it's relevance to the Muslim faith. One would hope that if he did, he wouldn't have joked such.

I'm sure that he's fully aware of it. He's making a joke of this guy's attempt to insult him.

Stupid really, I'm sure the guy throwing the shows finds shoe soles very offensive... the Dubya is indifferent and letting him know it

[Trainer Monkey]

Of course Bush, ignorant dipstick that he is, cracked some joke about shoe size. Probably he had no concept of the nature of the insult, or it's relevance to the Muslim faith. One would hope that if he did, he wouldn't have joked such.

I'm sure that he's fully aware of it. He's making a joke of this guy's attempt to insult him.

Stupid really, I'm sure the guy throwing the shows finds shoe soles very offensive... the Dubya is indifferent and letting him know it

Cmon Adam,he isnt fully aware of how to stay on his bike,and he does that daily,there is absolutely no way he understood the nature of the insult. Im just impressed he showed the motor skills to duck the shoes

[Wayne]

Yeah, the shoe thing is a high insult. Here in Michigan, the University of Michigan has been seriously considering putting in foot baths in restrooms for Muslim students. They feel the feet are the the filthy equivalent of the butt for Americans. Pretty much him throwing his shoes at the president would have been the equivalent of smashing your open ass into someone's face. And then clapping your butt cheeks together.

[AdamGB]

It's sort of like flipping off an animal in the zoo or something... like he even cares.

Feet though? SO the Arab equivalent of getting somebody to lick the shit out of your arsehole would be a foot massage?

Their loss

[El Kabong]

Anybody disturbed that yet again our president just STOOD there after the shoes were thrown? If somebody throws shoes at me and I'm in a hostile country I'm getting the fuck outta dodge.

Once again if that was Obama people would be fawning over how courageous he was

[Andre]

Is the old style kkKlan still alive in the south these days Lyle?

They must be real pissed off if they are.

[El Kabong]

Is the old style kkKlan still alive in the south these days Lyle?

They must be real pissed off if they are.

...I wouldn't know...I figure racism never goes out of style for some people. But I dislike Obama not because he's black but because of his politics....shouldn't you give me props for that?

[CGM]

Yeah, the shoe thing is a high insult. Here in Michigan, the University of Michigan has been seriously considering putting in foot baths in restrooms for Muslim students. They feel the feet are the the filthy equivalent of the butt for Americans. Pretty much him throwing his shoes at the president would have been the equivalent of smashing your open ass into someone's face. And then clapping your butt cheeks together.

As I recall, one of the last things Jaber III Al-Ahmad Al-Jaber Al-Sabah, ruler of Kuwait, said before Iraq invaded Kuwait was "Saddam Hussein can kiss my feet".

[RP33]

Anybody disturbed that yet again our president just STOOD there after the shoes were thrown? If somebody throws shoes at me and I'm in a hostile country I'm getting the fuck outta dodge.

Once again if that was Obama people would be fawning over how courageous he was

lyle you make me laugh sometimes.. you're probably right.. but are you suggesting obama gets an amount of praise that is bias?

because i'm pretty sure if obama was white he'd have a charismatic following of someone on the level of JFK.. you're not over the hangover from McCain losing yet, eh?

[Andre]

Is the old style kkKlan still alive in the south these days Lyle?

They must be real pissed off if they are.

...I wouldn't know...I figure racism never goes out of style for some people. But I dislike Obama not because he's black but because of his politics....shouldn't you give me props for that?

I always give you props, i dont mind what you think.

You just got me thinking is all.