Final Thought: Why I think Evander Will Win

[ross]

I like how people make exuses for Tyson losing but did you know Holyfeild was older and been through more wars and had a heart condtion since the Moore fight were the doctors said he should never fight again. .

"Dr. Margaret Goodman, now the chief ringside physician for the Nevada State Athletic Commission, told the SI reporters that back in 1994, when Holyfield evinced evidence of a heart defect follwing his loss to Michael Moorer, commission doctors believed the malady to be consistent with HGH use"

[Mr140]

Look maybe Tyson did take some stuff to bulk up i mean ever hear him he talk he sounds like somthing is missing if you get what i am saying. As for Holyfeild i not going to say anything but there is no proof of it he never failed a test or anything that i have heard of or have seen on tv.

[Boom Boom]

Well i hope you are right Boom Boom because nothing would make me happier then to see Holyfeild win and hold a championship again.

The only thing that would make me happier is if he retired as champion right after the fight. Valuev is his only chance at being a 5 time champ.

[ross]

Well i hope you are right Boom Boom because nothing would make me happier then to see Holyfeild win and hold a championship again.

The only thing that would make me happier is if he retired as champion right after the fight. Valuev is his only chance at being a 5 time champ.

You will be sad then

As for Mr140 Steroid Nation: The evidence against Evander Holyfield

[Mr140]

Well that does not show much my friend he never tested postive to if so all that is nothing but a opinion and yea i find it hard that with all the kids he has he was using steriods because it would of prevented it. All i read is that they thought he used it and then he said he did not and they droped it so that does not prove anything i am sorry still wont got that way in think Holyfeild did anything because he was never tested for it so that were i stand till they actually test him postive.

[ICB]

Well i hope you are right Boom Boom because nothing would make me happier then to see Holyfeild win and hold a championship again.

The only thing that would make me happier is if he retired as champion right after the fight. Valuev is his only chance at being a 5 time champ.

You will be sad then

As for Mr140 Steroid Nation: The evidence against Evander Holyfield

Ross theres no 100 percent proof proving Evander Holyfield to anything, maybe he did take it maybe he didn't. But this Evander Holyfield hating you do in every thread, just because he beat your hero Mike Tyson is ridiculous.

[ross]

Your, naive, ignorant or stupid then

[Mr140]

I would have to agree with icb i think you just hate Holyfeild because he beat Tyson so i think you should get over it Holyfeild was just a better fighter and he went on to do more in the sport and not be done in and quite on the ground he keeps going on even though he is 46 and still has a heart problem and still he goes on with everything one thing i can say about Evander Holyfeild is he never gives up he just keeps going how he while end up because of it who know but that just Holyfeild.

[Trainer Monkey]

I would have to agree with icb i think you just hate Holyfeild because he beat Tyson so i think you should get over it Holyfeild was just a better fighter and he went on to do more in the sport and not be done in and quite on the ground he keeps going on even though he is 46 and still has a heart problem and still he goes on with everything one thing i can say about Evander Holyfeild is he never gives up he just keeps going.

And still juiced,and still fathered 11 different kids with 7 different women,and is still dirty as hell in the ring
And I dont particularly like Tyson

[Mr140]

Look as i said before they never tested him postive so there is no solid proof on him and that is the way i look at it so that all i have to say.

[Boom Boom]

If you dislike Holyfield, at least dislike him for the right reasons. He beat Tyson legitamately...twice....and im a Tyson fan. Fouls happen, as a Tyson fan you should know this. If you think Holyfield should have had a point deduction, your beef should be with the ref. It is the refs job to maintain control in the fight. It wouldnt have mattered though cause Holyfield was beating him in every category at his own game.

As for the steroid controversy, in this county you are innocent until proved guilty. The prosecution, or in this case the commitee investigating this matter, has the burden of proof. The supposed evidence against him is circumstancial, as there is no hard evidence against Holyfield. They failed to make a case, and Holyfield should be given the benefit of the doubt until something substancial is brought to light.

[ono]

If you dislike Holyfield, at least dislike him for the right reasons. He beat Tyson legitamately...twice....and im a Tyson fan. Fouls happen, as a Tyson fan you should know this. If you think Holyfield should have had a point deduction, your beef should be with the ref. It is the refs job to maintain control in the fight. It wouldnt have mattered though cause Holyfield was beating him in every category at his own game.

As for the steroid controversy, in this county you are innocent until proved guilty. The prosecution, or in this case the commitee investigating this matter, has the burden of proof. The supposed evidence against him is circumstancial, as there is no hard evidence against Holyfield. They failed to make a case, and Holyfield should be given the benefit of the doubt until something substancial is brought to light.

Amen to that

[Boom Boom]

Haha Point well taken Ono. Mike may be the exeption.....and OJ.....and R Kelly.....well celebrities seem to be the exeption Court of public opinion is a whole other thing.

[Trainer Monkey]

If you dislike Holyfield, at least dislike him for the right reasons. He beat Tyson legitamately...twice....and im a Tyson fan. Fouls happen, as a Tyson fan you should know this. If you think Holyfield should have had a point deduction, your beef should be with the ref. It is the refs job to maintain control in the fight. It wouldnt have mattered though cause Holyfield was beating him in every category at his own game.

As for the steroid controversy, in this county you are innocent until proved guilty. The prosecution, or in this case the commitee investigating this matter, has the burden of proof. The supposed evidence against him is circumstancial, as there is no hard evidence against Holyfield. They failed to make a case, and Holyfield should be given the benefit of the doubt until something substancial is brought to light.

You mean he didnt father 11 children from 7 different women,he didnt headbut at some point in allmost every fight at heavyweight?
Damn,a lot of DNA and film evidence must be completely wrong

[Spicoli]

I think all of this slighting Holyfield on grounds of his personal marital,family dealings is pretty weak!.Start a list of fighters and you will find many indiscretions and questionable behavior.....as you may as well with everyday people pointing fingers.Who the f!!!! are we to past judgment on a stranger.....talk about playing the hollier than thou role?

As with the Religion be promoted ,wearing his faith on his sleeve.Give me a break.At time it seems this sport and a mans faith go hand in hand...and Holyfield certainly is not the first nor the last fighter to praise what ever higher power they follow in times of victory and defeat....again the list is endless.A man drops into a corner prior to a fight,Asked about retirement....its in gods hands,Bible versus on a pair of trunks is not isolated by any means.No matter if its Holyfield singing hymns coming into the ring or Tyson praising Allah repeatedly on that same stroll.....seriously?

As for Tyson vs. Holyfield 2.....Tyson knew exactly what was coming his direction,getting KTFO....from the moment he was shook off of a double left hook/right hand and backed up in the 1st round the writing was on the wall.And if you want to talk about dirty tactics...get a grip!who initiated the first head butt,Tyson in the first round to Holyfields gut....knocking Holyfield back wards.Tyson was looking to the ref on numerous occasions,pissing & moaning instead of standing in and fighting like a champion.And there is absolutely ZERO excuse for that foul tirad he went on....be it locking arms and twisting ,Biting,swinging at cops....man that is tired!